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Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Fin D, Aug 2, 2015.
Don't forget Branflake too!
Littlefinger wants to give his little finger to Sansa.
can't help but feel that Little Finger will not be getting along with Jon Snow when the dust settles. He'll drive a wedge between half-siblings and Sansa will feel overly grateful to little finger for him saving the day.
He's already started with his little "...half brother" remark early on a few episodes back.
Great episode, the battle scene was one of the better scenes in the show. The battle with the White Walkers last season was right up there too. A lot of things setting up for the end of the season.
About halfway through this episode I sat there thinking "damn another Stark is going to get a bunch of people killed and die like an idiot" lol.
I don't get the impression Sansa will ever feel "overly grateful" to anyone ever again.
Agreed it was a great episode, but I assumed Jon would live. It would just be poor story telling to bring him back just to have him die here. Plus, he's the "Ice" in "A Song of Fire and Ice". He may or may not die at the end, but he's clearly one of the most important characters along with Dany and Tyrion (those three were given the top tier contracts when they renewed based on importance). So he'll be around for most of the last season.
I was pretty sure he would live, when they got in that circle I was like oh man, no way. But yeah, I agree, it seemed like it would be a horrific waste to bring him back to just kill him there.
Definitely not to the man who gave her to Ramsey to begin with. If anything, this was just the start of Littlefinger's attonement, not that he will see it that way. I am trying to see where the storyline goes with them, John, Davos, the Walkers etc and finding it hard. Maybe they just cement the North in time for Dany to swoop in and lend her dragons to the fight?
Still seem to be so many loose ends, and less and less time for them to be worth anything.
I'm not so sure... She's hardened up a bunch and has gone through a ton of character development, but I could see Littlefinger pulling a few moves to position himself into her good graces again. From what TPTB said in the "Inside the episode." Littlefinger truly didn't know how ****ing crazy Ramsey was, as he told Sansa. Given that he's done more for her than anyone (for which he benefited, obviously), came to aide when many other houses turned her down, AND is really the only other game player on the board with any long term vision/planning, I could see him worming his way back into her good graces. While there seems to be a Dr. Frankenstein and Creature dynamic between the two, I'm not counting out littlefinger yet.
So Davos seemed to put the pieces together about what happened to Stannis's daughter and that Melisandre was behind it, does he put an end to her? I think I would.
hadn't thought about that, interesting. Still, Davos is someone that always puts the good of the whole in front of needs of himself. does revenge take priority over Melisandre's value to Jon Snow and co?
The preview suggests that Davos outs her involvement in that situation to Jon, but I don't know what Jon will do about it.
the full theory of Cersei and Jaime's fate:
Cercei you sick sick puppy. Such a shame...
Yeah she definitely showed a total lack of redeeming qualities, and with Ramsey and Frey gone, she is easily the #1 "villain that needs to die" on most people's lists. Her lack of concern for Tommen was chilling - I think we all knew the wildfire was coming, but she truly showed here that vengeance and anger were stronger in her than even love for her children. She tried to save him by keeping him from the Sept, but she abandoned him for all that. And then orders him burnt and immediately crowns herself queen? I see Jaime giving her the sword fairly quick next season - got to clear the way for Dany and her new friends quickly so everyone can get on the real battle with the Night's King.
BTW, Dorne is just the worst. There was NO REASON to kill Doran. And why does everyone just accept a random band of bastards as the ruler now? Ye gods, thank you Olenna for verbally slapping the **** out of them.
Lady Mormont: Bigger balls than eny man in that building. (Either that or she's got a puppy crush on Jon)
How the hell did Varys get back from Dorne across the narrow sea so damn fast?
Yeah the Varys thing annoyed me too - time has lost a lot of meaning in the name of plot and narrative. But ah well, ultimately it doesn't matter too much. The other thing that irritated me was Benjen just dumping Bran off like a sack of potatoes. Couldn't even help fashion a new sled Benjen? You in a hurry to do something? C'mon man!
Great finale. Lots of good stuff, but I couldn't help but be dissatisfied with 2 parts that should of been hugely satisfying...
1). Arya's appearance: Had the writers not wasted all of her time with sweeping floors, begging, and getting her *** beaten by the Waif, he appearance would of felt worth while. She wasn't even really trained, and suddenly she's a faceless man? I love the conclusion of her arc in the finale, but nothing leading up to it made sense given what we've seen. Which was a waste...
2). Tyrion's apperance: Again, I loved how his story finished in the finale. It was touching to see someone give him respect and gratitude finally, after years of watching him be kicked around by inferiors. But it's problematic since he didn't earn it. He didn't accomplish anything in Dany's absence. He told dumb jokes, played drinking games, and had cringe worthy conversations. Basically, he behaved in the manner which drew his fathers ire, which we know wasn't justified.
Honestly, did the writers not have conversations about those two main issues? I enjoyed the season as a whole. But these two characters were terribly misused throughout and their finale conclusions made no sense.
The good news? Everything else about this season was pretty awesome. Much stronger than season 5, which was a low point in the series despite some solid eps. And the gang is finally going to be united in Westeroes. No more wasting time in Essos.
Inside the episode for the finale.
edit: I just noticed that Vary's is on Dany's ship... WTF? I know the show is playing it fast and loose with "fast travel" these days (at least compared to earlier seasons) but holy ****... he was just in Dorne two scenes prior lol.
I actually felt Arya's appearance was very satisfying. I didn't think we'd see her in the episode, let alone offing Walder Frey like that. I thought it kind of made up for her Braavos storyline.
Oh offing Walder Frey was indeed very satisfying. But I understand what Clark is saying. The buildup was odd. Same with Tyrion. It was cheap.. when it could have been so much better.
Tyrion's bottle standing behind him as he pledged allegiance to his Queen could be taken a couple of ways. Always present... or is he leaving it behind him?
Clearly, Jon Snow being half Targaryen is going to have some meaning with his aunt on the way to conquer Westeros. Only Bran/3ER knows this (I guess). So the timing of that reveal will be somewhat critical
I just read that there are only 7 episodes next season... and then another 6 episodes in their "final" season... ugh
If there are only 13 episodes left and HBO pulls some bull**** like two short seasons, there have to be fan repercussions.
Edit: I guess the way I could tolerate it is if two shortened seasons were to be given the budget of full seasons.
I totally disagree.
I agree with the idea of not having two season if there are only 13 episodes, however if there is 13 episodes of content, stick to your guns and do 13. Don't want a sliced up mess (Batman v Superman) or an over extended mess (Hobit Trilogy)
Pretty sure this was a "passage of time" or time jump. If you notice, there are also Martell and Tyrell ships in Dany's fleet.
Take all your Viking logic and throw it away!!!! It's linear damnit!
In seriousness, I find it amusing a lot of people hate the time jumping and can't fathom it's use and that not every story is happening simultaneously. All in all, both episodes 9 and 10 have been very satisfying and worth the cigarette after.
PS. Miss you V/O, Paul
She could have sent a dragon for him
I was reading somewhere that they were going to make longer episodes, like some movie length episodes.
The writing was really bad this season. Things happened, but without real consequence. If you put together a Cliff's Notes of this season, your notes look a hell of a lot like the end of last season's. Cersei is still in charge, Dany is still going to Westeros, Dorne is still ineffectually scheming, Olenna Tyrell is still salty, and the north is still spinning its wheels. And the space-time continuum must be seriously messed up due to the onset of winter, because boy do people travel fast now. Except Sam. Sam travels really slowly.
It was nice to get confirmation that, at least in show continuity (such as it is), that R+L=J. I wonder if we'll get Cleganebowl at some point. Anyone else hoping the Night's King realizes he has a zombie ready to be controlled in Gregor?
It was good of Davos to remember his character motivation from season 3, the last time his actions made any sense.
Aunt? I thought she would be his half-sister?
Is it worse or just as bad as last season?
I'd argue Tyrion did about as good as he could. If he had followed Grey Worm, the Unsullied would be dead or very diminished. He didn't have the dragons and the revolt was inevitable. Then he counseled Danny properly in what to do when she got back.
I would say worse, because rather than resolve plotlines and develop characters, the writers just killed them off. I can imagine the production meeting for season 6:
"Hey, The Winds of Winter isn't out yet. We don't actually have any material to adapt."
"Uh, just call George, ask him what's going to happen. We're on a schedule."
"He says it's not done yet."
"Well, screw it. He told us the ending years ago. We'll just figure out a way to get there. Hey, what's the budget look like this year?"
"Pretty bad. We can't even afford to render Ghost. We can do a few still cityscapes and a medium-size battle, though."
"Crap. These actors are too expensive. HEY, IDEA. KILL HALF THE CAST. That saves our budget AND saves us from having to resolve dangling plot threads in a way that might be significantly divergent from the book, thus reducing the likelihood that we'll write ourselves into a corner without satisfactory reconciliation!"
"Fantastic. Can we write a chase scene with a stabbed, half-dead Arya?"
"Sure, why not. I really liked the opening of Casino Royale."
Why on earth do you still watch this show if this is what you think of the product? If I thought it was ****ty writing and a terrible show I'd just move on.
Because the last two books aren't out yet, and I'm hoping to glean some insight into the plot through proxy.
And there is no rule that you must deny that a thing you like may have significant flaws. This isn't a Knicks thread, after all.
There is always hate watching.
I am a huge fan of the book. Even though I thought last season was bad and this season looks just as bad, I am committed. I will just watch it later
Season 6 was significantly better than season 5 IMO.
Rhaegar was Dany's older brother.
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The only issue I really have with the show is that they have too many story lines going on, I mean I don't know what the Sam storyline has to do with anything but I guess we will see. There are better episodes but I've enjoyed every season. I've read the first few books in the series but I saw the TV show before I read the books. The books are great but its one of the few tv shows/movies that I think lives up to the books. Its tough now though because I think they are getting into territory that the books haven't gotten into yet.
Honestly, I think that finale's main goal (outside of telling a story) was to consolidate and/or end a lot of subplots so they can get down to the important stuff with limited episodes left.