Free Agency Thread? Free Agency Thread.

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  1. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pacman Jones was resigned.
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This free agency for Miami has me scratching my head.
     
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  3. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    Im right there with you. What the hell is the plan at RT and CB?
     
  4. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I agree. We have gotten younger and better in certain areas. Upgraded WR and receiving TE especially, then completely seem to ignore major needs...
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    Where did you hear him say that?
     
  6. djphinfan

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    NFL live..
     
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  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Or DE for that matter.

    Dolphins walked into this free agency with holes at the following positions, and this is accounting for all free agents to be:

    QB2 - Matt Moore 2 years, $4.0 million per year
    RB2 - ???
    TE1 - Dustin Keller 1 year, $4.25 million per year
    WR1 - Mike Wallace 5 years, $12.0 million per year
    WR2 - Brian Hartline 5 years, $6.2 million per year
    OT1 - ???
    OT3 - Nate Garner 3 years, $1.6 million per year
    DT1 - Randy Starks 1 year, $8.4 million per year
    DT3 - ???
    DE2 - ???
    LB4 - ???
    CB1 - ???
    CB2 - ???
    FS1 - Chris Clemons 1 year, $2.75 million

    And in addition, the Dolphins decided to create two more holes by releasing LB1 and LB2, then filling them with Dannell Ellerbe and Phil Wheeler. Then they signed a WR4/WR5 for $3.3 million per year. But these didn't fill needs.

    You've still got BIG holes at CB, CB, DE and LT, in addition to smaller holes at LB, RB and DT. And that's before you even get into other positions that aren't holes but that you'd like to upgrade (e.g. Dansby & Burnett). To me that would have to include OG and PK.

    You can't do all of this in the Draft.
     
  8. LBsFinest

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    Preach. Instead of paying a guy over 3 mil/yr to be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game we could have given half that to a young, promising starting CB from the area in Biggers. and we could have signed Bennett to start opposite Wake, forming one of the most well rounded and productive pass rush duos in the entire league. and this would mean moving Odrick back to where he belongs, which is backing up Soliai and Starks, keeping those 2 a little fresher late in games.

    I mean this is just typical Ireland, even when he makes some good moves by being aggressive in FA and improving a handful of units, his mismanagement and carelessness concerning 3 of the 4 most critical positions on the field just leaves you shaking your head.
     
  9. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Same ****, different laxative.

    Back to poor roster building.

    Then you see the contract that certain Free Agents get..and you just scratch your head.

    Fine..we are gonna put Tanny's life on the line with Martin at LT..ok...that much faith? then sign a RT?

    Play in a conference with Brady, Manning and Flacco? Ignore the Cornerback position?

    I was enthusiastic. Now I am wondering.
     
  10. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    The draft in all likelihood.
     
  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    There's just a lot I would have done differently. Antwan Barnes at 3 years and $4.0 million total is a steal and it wouldn't have even necessitated you change your strategy at the position. It's not a contract that forces you to change anything. The Dolphins need a second running back and I think Mike Goodson would have fit really well. I would definitely rather have Domenik Hixon at WR over Brandon Gibson. The Dolphins evidently jumped into the bidding for Martellus Bennett but they did it late and with an inferior contract offer. That's a mistake. They should have had Bennett targeted as their top tight end, not Jared Cook. The contract the Rams gave Jake Long was very doable, IMO.

    They sat back and watched the corner market get picked apart and now they're left with very few legit choices there, mostly just hoping Brent Grimes chooses them over the Browns. Keenan Lewis' 5 year, $25.5 million contract was entirely doable. And they could've added to the position with bargain signings like Bradley Fletcher (2 years, $5.25 million) and Chris Owens (1 year, $1 million). Releasing Dimitri Patterson would've cleared enough room for the latter two, and hell you could release Richard Marshall and sign Brent Grimes anyway. He's a worthy cause.
     
  12. padre31

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    Gosh, we spent a high #2 on Martin and now they will rely on him..who'd have thunk it?

    Finished 3rd in the NFL in sacks, returning everyone who played and of course passrush is a problem.

    Still have the draft and 12 million in hand, of course Cb is a problem, better to over pay a lesser talent

    RT? Did Nate Garner not play last yr?

    Rb 2? Daniel Thomas, Grey, Thigpen, the Draft.

    Do I think we have all of the answers needed?

    Not yet, do think it is March and there is no need to go sandy vagina quite yet.
     
  13. LBsFinest

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    I don't think anyone would have any issue with this had he not looked like one of the worst tackles in the entire league last year.

    you couldn't possibly be more wrong. It's the complete opposite, we had opportunities to sign better talent to bargain deals. An example of overpaying a lesser talent would be the contract we gave Richard Marshall in that god-awful free agency period last year.

    and you're actually content with Garner at RT? Lmao! Daniel Thomas is literally one level above worthless and Grey hasn't even seen the damn field yet.
     
  14. CANDolphan

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    Im only disappointed with our desire to let guys like Lewis and Bennett walk. Those are top quality guys for 5 mil per. That's incredibly doable with our cap room. I think they improve this team, and improve them for the future (2-3 years, not just 1-2 years like the signings we made in Keller and Patterson)

    And LB if you're going to keep using the word literally, maybe understand what it means. He's not literally one level about worthless. That makes no sense. Unless there's a floor called "worthless" and he's on the floor above it.

    As for DE, I can understand them thinking they can upgrade the pass rush in the 2nd/3rd rounds with the talent available. But you shouldn't be going into the draft with two GLARING holes, and four apparent ones. I just think that's poor planning. You need to allow yourself to draft BPA.

    Which, maybe they are. Because they have so many holes, BPA will hit their position and need and bam! A+ draft!

    Or maybe they genuinely think that Vernon is the future at DE, and we need a pass rush specialist we can get in the 3rd/4th
     
  15. padre31

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    I see, so players never get to play to develop, the team should be manned with FA's

    Thanks.
     
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  16. Claymore95

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    We were never going to fill every position of need with a free agent, the early signings this year gave everyone false hope in that regard. It looks to me like we had a list of FA's we wanted, and went out and made sure we got them no matter what. Any other signing will only be if the deal is beneficial to us.

    The FO have made it clear prior to FA that the primary method of team-building is to be the draft, and most of us would agree with that aim. Filling a team with FA's has never been a successful ploy. There have been FA deals where we look and think "we could have signed him easily", but obviously the FO don't rate the player enough and would rather build through the draft. It's also too optimistic to think every position of need is going to be filled in one offseason.

    Let's wait and see what the draft and the rest of FA brings before writing off this offseason.
     
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  17. Patssuck

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    M.I.A
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Finley is not leaving Green Bay this year.

    Link

     
  19. slickj101

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    ^^ Thank God.
     
  20. Disgustipate

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    Some of those holes will be filled- It's still quite early. Some of them aren't actually holes, there will probably be players on the roster who will develop. Some of the holes won't get filled, which is pretty much how it goes regardless.

    We don't know what is what at this point, and the difference between what you would have done as a GM and what happened should not be treated as right and wrong.
     
  21. Stringer Bell

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    How much cap space does Miami have left?
     
  22. Stringer Bell

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    This is pretty much it, IMO. At some point you have to realize that this is a league where a premium is placed on developing talent. It really isn't feasible to fill all holes in FA, unless you're going to sacrifice something in the future.
     
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  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Come on man, no synchronized pheremone release? I was pretty proud of that one.
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

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    Don't want the noise to drown out the signal :wink2:
     
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  25. Lee2000

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    One thing is for certain. If Miami wants any credibility in saying they are in a position to draft the best available player becuase they have met most of their needs they are currently in no position to do that.
     
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  26. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was under the impression it was 15 million with about 7 extra coming after June 1st
     
  27. Fin D

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    That's not true.

    The 3 biggest holes we have are RT, a 2nd DE and CB. Those positions can be adequately filled anywhere in the draft and the rest of FA. If spent 3 picks on just those positions we'd still have one more draft pick than normal 7.
     
  28. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    IF Ireland and company hit on draft day.... big if.
     
  29. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Terrible assumption to make that starting positions "can be filled anywhere in the draft"
     
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  30. slickj101

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    Plenty of ammo.
     
  31. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    As opposed to talking like none of them will and we're done in FA?
     
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  32. Fin D

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    If any GM hits in the draft. "Big if" for all GMs. We are not in a worse position than anyone else, in fact with 11 picks we're in one of the best positions. The odds are in our favor actually.

    Besides, few people fret over RT & 2nd DE being JAGs. There's also a growing segment of people who are starting to question the overall importance of top flight CBs, like raf.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    One thing I will say, if Miami is essentially done with FA, that means they'll be ~$20M+ under the cap going into the season. That would tell me that Stephen Ross has an internal salary cap on the team.
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Really?

    I assume you have numbers pointing to starting positions that have never been filled anywhere in the draft?
     
  35. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    But what about when your left tackle is also a JAG in addition to your right tackle and right guard? Building a JAGOFFENSIVE line?
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    If this ends up being the case, then the blame should go to the coaching staff as much as anyone else. Jeff Ireland can't be operating under the assumption that Jon Martin is already a bust.
     
  37. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The General Manager takes no blame for drafting a guy that ends up a bust? That's a new one.

    His job is to stock the cupboard with talent. I'm pretty sure it's actually officially written in the job description on Monster.com
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    "then the blame should go to the coaching staff as much as anyone else"
     
  39. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Based on what?
     
  40. slickj101

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    Not at all. It could also just be they don't like any of the remaining FAs at their current prices or they want to save money to re-sign Starks and/or Jones.
     

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