Frauds

Coming into a thread calling people trolls and dullards while belittling the mains is calling out trolls for you?

 

If I came in here and called someone/some people a race car driver, and you're not a race car driver, would you think I'm talking about you?

 

No, you're a jaded Dolphins fan. lol...I think all of us are jaded to some extent, but we are actual fans of the team.

 

And let me clarify my "dullards and troll" comment. I think 95% of the people in the Mains are NOT in either of those categories. The other 5% are bringing the forum down.

 

Again, it's not the opinions.

 

Ever wonder why some people here have been “off” of Tua even before he was drafted, disappear when he plays great (which is 90% of the time) and suddenly show up when he has a bad game?
These same people have been doing this with most players for a while now.
They are called trolls. They aren’t fans of the team.

 

I am not proposing anything at this point, given that we still have a playoff game to play, but for those who are saying we can’t pay Tua, what other plan of action would you suggest? Sign a FA, make a trade or move up and draft someone?

Serious question.

 

Let him play out his current contract is pretty simple. If you get the same or worse, then you need to make tough decisions and bring in a veteran and draft.

 

I don’t see it that way. Look, our offense is a timing schemed offense. I’m the first to admit it. When the offense is clicking, Tua can get the ball out quick but when a defense adjusts and that first read isn’t there, it’s not that he panics, it’s the fact the OL can’t hold the line long enough for him to progress consistently to his 2nd or 3rd read. So he’s not panicking, he’s under duress that quickly.

I’ve been banging the drum for ***YEARS*** to build a solid OL. If we had that, Tua could sit back in the pocket a good 4 seconds but as long as Tua has to get the ball out in under 2 seconds, these issues are going to persist.

 

But the line was good in this game, they had 4 out of 5 starters playing.

On the last interception, he had 3 seconds and threw the ball anyway, and there was no pressure. Like where's the pressure here?



...the problem is he doesn't have any running ability either to run for yards, run for time, or run and throw. So his options are limited to basically throwing the ball away or throwing it anyway even if things are well covered.

 

That’s just not true though. The part about the 1st read. None of us know, really, what the QB is reading or seeing, or even who the first read is supposed to be on most plays. What we DO know, however, is that Tua gets the ball out faster than anyone in the league (mainly because he has to due to a lack of pass blocking) and he’s leading or near the top in all QB stats and efficiency scores.

Saying that, when we have people basically guessing, yes educated guesses, about how Tua does on throws to receivers that aren’t his first read, he’s still very good. And his EPA doesn’t have some drastic drop from the 1st to 2nd read. Which is what we would expect to see if he was a “1st read QB”.

Bottom line, Tua has had back-to-back MVP caliber seasons. Led the Dolphins to the playoffs in those 2 years, played 17 straight games, led the league in yards passing, was 1st in completion %, 4th in passer rating, 5th in TD’s, and on and on.

Sure, like every other QB (or player for that matter) in the league, Tua had bad plays and games. But what derailed this season is injuries. Plain and simple.

 

“bUt tHE LiNe WaS gOoD!”

Good PFF grades to trolls:

Jones: 38
Armstead: 48
Jackson: 55
Eich: 57
Hunt: 66

 

LOL using PFF to grade lineman.

Using screenshot proof to show Tua didn't have pressure on that interception. "Let me break out the PFF scores!"

 

And why did Tua have 3 seconds to throw the ball you referenced?

Down by 7
Dolphins driving
Under 2 minutes left in the game.

Buffalo was only rushing 4 and dropping everyone else back in coverage.

That’s why he had that extra time.

 

That’s ok. I broke out football.

 

I urge you go re-read my posts in the Buffalo Miami game day thread.

 

Right. So there was absolutely no reason to force the throw there, but that was the plan pre-snap, so that's where it went. He was staring down that route the whole time. Tua lacks the ability to go off-script because he's physically limited. He can't run to buy time. He can't throw well off platform. He can't run for yards well.

The best play there was running/running for more time, which again he really can't do well. Or throwing to Wilson against single coverage over the middle. The best play for Tua was the latter, but you are always going to be limited.

 

Also, overall on the season, Tua's pressure rate was 14.4%. That's 31st of of 32 QBs this season. Before you come at me with, well he gets rid of the ball so quickly, that is true but last year he had a pressure rate of 20.0% which was 18th highest in the league.

The line and getting pressured at the line this season really wasn't an issue at all. But the best teams in the league are going to be able to get pressure on you while covering guys, and that's always going to be really difficult for Tua because he can't move outside of the pocket well.

 

I don’t believe I was defending Tua. I have already said in the game day thread that Tua was A problem in this game, but not THE problem.

There are statements out there that say Claypool ran the wrong route. I have the game recorded but haven’t looked at it again yet. Whether or not Tua forced a throw, I can’t say. I won’t make that determination until after I look at it again.

However, it is common knowledge when an offense is driving down the field with no time outs and the clock under 2 minutes, all throws are to the outside so the receiver can get out of bounds and stop the clock.

Let’s not get silly about that.

 

That's true but those types of throws to the sidelines are very much against Tua's strengths. If you weren't going to throw it over the middle, or buy time for another throw or run for some yards and then out of bounds, then you could have thrown it away.

 

I hope you're correct.

 

You are correct in your history. We started this site to get away from the "aqua/orange lenses" to be able to have real honest not homer discussions.

I think a big reason it is dying is that we have lost awesome posters like Travis. Now that he gets paid to do it, he doesn't post here, not sure about in Club. But there are a bunch of guys who used to post real good stuff who aren't around anymore.

As to the ads, yes they are. I fixed it by switching browsers. Duck Duck Go now has an iphone app/browser, and it's AWESOME. All popups are gone.

 

This is what my criticism of Tua has always boiled down to. While he absolutely does do more with talent than I believe other QBs would, I think he's far more dependent on them than other QBs. That isn't his fault, it's not me trying to knock him, I'm just being honest.

It's a damn shame that we got obliterated with injuries this season. We might have had a legit shot. This is what you want...you draft a QB, hopefully be a contender by year three and get a chance at Super Bowls for 3 years before your gotta pay him. But once you gotta open up for the QB, other areas take a hit.

 

It’s better than relying on a troll.

The offensive line had 4 starters, some playing positions they don’t normally play, and they weren’t good.
Trolls, will just blame Tua though.

After the Jets game I noticed you were here every night, lurking, not posting, just waiting for the team to lose so you could come back and troll some more. Congrats on your exciting and productive life.

 

Hmmm. Who gets the ball out faster than any QB in the NFL?

You’re not good at this.

 

You seem kind of obsessed with me. Didn't you block me, or did you just say you did? The Jets after the Dolphins game gave up 28 to Jacoby Brissett and 37 to Joe Flacco. The fact you think it's an accomplishment is pretty funny stuff.

Yeah, I could see this collapse coming from a mile away. Just waiting for the circle jerk to end and reality to set in. This is what happens when you play the least winnings teams in the league. Well at least you'll have the Jets win. LOL.

 

Tua's ability to get out the ball quicker didn't happen this season. He's always had a quick release. The difference between last year and this year, is the line got significantly better. The offense is get the ball out quickly to your playmakers.

 

Gloating. Lol

 

*Trolling

 

I love it. Talk shi*. Get slapped with a dose of reality. Play victim.