For the past 7 or 8 years about every 2nd post on these forums is about how the 'phins need a 'franchise QB' as if you could go out and pluck one off the nearest tree. The reality is that there are at most 7 or 8 'franchise QBs' playing in the league at any one time and most of them have 10 year+ careers. Therefore on average you get 2 'franchise QBs' entering the league every 3 years, and that at least 24 teams in the league will be chasing them, because sometimes teams with old 'franchise QBs' are looking to replace the old with the new. They're not easy to find and no one is going to give us one on a silver platter.
Shhhh don't tell that to this fanbase. Most of them are assuming Santa and the Easter Bunny will be battling it out for who delivers the QB savior to this team.
You can talk about how rare they are till the cows come home, but the fact remains that the Dolphins will be an also-ran until we get one.
This is why I'm more than fine w/ us trading three #1s and then some for Luck. Strike when you have the opportunity, as you never know when the next one will come along!
Yeah this a pointless post we all know that, it's just been over 10 years since this team has had one so I think we all are getting a little impatient. And I think our front office should address this issue.
They'd be more likely to be able to go to #3 and get RG3, since apparently Vikings are open for trade. But forget it...Dolphins would not trade up. We'd be more likely to sign Manning in FA and draft a QB in our spot. Actually what probably happens is we make a different choice with the 9th pick and select someone like Weeden in round 2....
Certainly not bad options there. RG3 and even Weeden (though for limited time) can potentially be franchise guys. I mean, you're not a franchise QB until your a franchise QB!
Appropriate, considering this is the team that passed on Drew Brees as a FA because of his shoulder, and opted for the awesome Daunte Culpepper........there was an excellent opportunity to strike, and it wasn't taken.
Other dirty little secret is, most of the "franchise' Qb's, were developed, over time, with some fans hating on them. For example, Matt Moore could be Kurt Warner, but at the moment, he is "a backup Qb" to most fans.
Wait...you mean the Dolphins can't just throw their 1st round pick on a QB and wallah we have our franchise QB?
Heck AdamC, for all we know, we can resign Henne, Moore goes down, Henne turns into Jim Kelly. Point being there are times when even 'franchise" Qb's don't look like franchise Qb's, they happen to hit on the perfect opportunity that matches their skills. One of the problems we've had in Miami is the fast turnover of Qb's doesn't let them develop, 2-3 Qb's play, on avg, every season for us since 04, until Henne showed up and started most of the games the last 3 yrs.
That's a misrepresentation of what actually happened. The main reason we had so many QBs play every season was injuries.
Coupled with marginal guys to begin with, Trent Green? AJ Feely? Cleo Lemon? But it is fundamentally true, the only Qb we've tried to develop in all of that time was Chad Henne.
Even the high #1 draft pick guys were not "franchise' guys to begin with and had fans saying they were not seeing it.
Oh no, the walked onto the field their first yr and won SB MVP.. To this day, people still hate on Eli Manning. If one looks at Jim Kelly's career, you see 25 Td's mid teens int's yr after yr, yet he is a HoF Qb, inspite of the fact Thurman Thomas drove that bus.
Totally agree...such is the life in the NFL which is an acronym for Not For Long with HC and QBs nowadays. Given the context of this year both Sparano and Henne were bound to fail. New OC and system during a lockout, 5 new starters for positions on offense including 3 on OL alongside an ailing LT who clearly wasn't healthy early in the year and 0-7 to start the season is understandable. From what I saw, it looked like the lights went on for Henne this year. Wouldn't be surprised if he succeeds elsewhere if given the chance. And for Sparano to get the support he had from the players after an abysmal start tells me he could have succeeded long-term as a coach given favorable conditions.
No, it is not fundamentally true, in that your emphasis was that we were impatient with QBs and that is why so many played every year. That's not true. The reason so many played every year was mostly injuries. Fiedler got injured, Culpepper got injured, Pennington got injured, Henne got injured.
No, that's a false overgeneralization. Of the current franchise QBs, many were franchise guys to begin with. Some were forced to sit because there was a successful QB ahead of them, so we don't know how they would have performed. Comparatively few were forced to develop because they weren't ready.
Well, what Henne or Moore needs is for the next HC to buy in, to continue to give them chances to show what they can do, this was the really smart thing Harbaugh did in SF, Alex Smith was honestly hated in SF, to the point they took out billboards to say so, but they did not listen to the fans and did what they felt was the proper football move and kept him rather then playing #2 pick Qb Kaepernick.
Not so, our usual pattern is to have a young Qb, acquire a vet, sit the youngster, when the vet is injured in comes the Rook and when they flame out, dump them. that is true of Feely/Fiedler/Green/Beck/Pennington/Henne/Henne/Moore.
Eli Manning was benched for Kurt Warner, Brady sat, Rodgers sat, Brees was allowed to walk. Case could be made for Rivers stepping into SD's Qb role, but guys like Ben R were not trusted to fling the ball all over the field for yrs.
We have only been searching for one for the past 11 years going on 12.But sometimes the leaves are falling right on your face but you are to blind to see them.(drew brees 2xs,rodgers,ryan).
And because they are so rare we should just not even try to get a "Franchise QB" and settle for mediocrity. Sounds great to me!
Perhaps it is all an overall symptom to a bigger problem at lower levels of football. IMO there doesn't seem to progression of players, especially at QB, so once they reach the NFL level, where they should be just honing their craft, and focusing more on the finer points they are catching up on the basics and kill their own development, because coaching the basics is not what NFL staffs should be about.
What appears "medicore" can develop into "franchise", or at least Top 10 in the NFL. Thanks for highlighting one of the problems.
I have long been of the opinion that free agency and the huge amount of money rookies sign for have demolished the QB position. If a player believes he has talent and his agent can convince other teams that he does, he leaves his b/u role to become a starter. The money he signed for that team expects immediate results as a return on their investment. In the case of ot being a promising rookie coming out who signs for ridiculous money again the owner expects to see immediate results. Most players are not NFL ready starters from day 1 and need time to work with the coaches and develop into thier postion. Many great QB's sat on the bench behind a veteran waiting for thier opprotunity. Talent alone does not make franchise QBs in most cases. People like Marino are not the norm, they are the exception to the rule.
Sure, maybe bring back Henne as well. I can of course stnad on a soap box and scream "trade for Luck!!!" but realize it won't happen, so why not stick with MMoore, add weapons, see how he pans out?
I'm not opposed to keeping Moore. He had a decent season at there. I'm not going to bash his play, but I don't think this team will go anywhere near a Super Bowl if they don't try to upgrade from having Matt Moore as their QB. As for Henne, I personally have seen enough of him wasting snaps in a Dolphins uniform. We should definitely add weapons, but this team should not leave a single stone unturned until they find a great QB, which they have not done thus far.
And that is the issue, we don't and can't know were Moore could take us, unless he plays, if we bring in someone else, we will never know, this is no different then if we draft a Qb, you have to play them and the results are not guaranteed.
Matt Moore is so different from Chad Henne, he looks like he just smoked one on the back porch and is going to go throw 3 Td's now, Henne looks like a state tropper writing his mom a ticket...
[TABLE="class: wikitable sortable jquery-tablesorter"] [TR] [TD="align: left"]Year 2011[/TD] [TD="align: left"]QB (games) Matt Moore (12) / Chad Henne (4)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2010[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Chad Henne (14) / Chad Pennington (1) / Tyler Thigpen (1)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2009[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Chad Henne (13) / Chad Pennington (3)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2008[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Chad Pennington (16)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2007[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Cleo Lemon (7) / Trent Green (5) / John Beck (4)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2006[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Joey Harrington (11) / Daunte Culpepper (4) / Cleo Lemon (1)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2005[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Gus Frerotte (15) / Sage Rosenfels (1)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2004[/TD] [TD="align: left"]A.J. Feeley (8) / Jay Fiedler (7) / Sage Rosenfels (1)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2003[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Jay Fiedler (11) / Brian Griese (5)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2002[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Jay Fiedler (10) / Ray Lucas (6)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2001[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Jay Fiedler (16)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2000[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Jay Fiedler (15) / Damon Huard (1)[/TD] [TD="align: center"][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] this list is putrid!
