Forget Signing Free Agents!

"Jets81 wrote:

It's just that easy too. :up:

Go troll your own message board. I dont any desire to go to Jets message board and hang with a bunch Jets. Go away!

"texanphinatic wrote:

Build through the draft sounds all nice and fun, but you need quality FAs to complement them. That doesnt always mean someone of the top level, but if you have a chance to get one of that caliber, why pass?

We are on the road to 0-16 possibly. We have little talent. Why would you pass an opportunity to add a probowl talent? Really? If you have good cap space its okay to go out and get a premium player. You just dont want to be the Redskins who overpay for overhyped players year in and out and destroy yourself.
But adding a player here and there isnt going to kill us, we NEED top players! You dont go from a team like this to a SB in 2-3 years "building through the draft" and ignoring FA. You need BOTH.
FA gives you a chance to add an instant starter, a veteran presence, a leader, a PLAYMAKER! You just dont turn your back on that.

Think about the resurgence of the Cleveland Browns.

Derek Anderson-FA pick up
Jamal Lewis- Free Agent pick up
Braylon Edwards- Top 3 pick
Kellen Winslow- 6th Overall Pick
Joe Jurivicuis- FA pick
Joe Thomas- Top 3 pick
Kevin Shaffer- FA pick up

Willie Mcginnest- FA pick up
Kameron Wimbley- 1st round pick
Dquel Jackson- 2nd round pick
Lee Bodden- 2nd round pick

They have a good mix of both but the one thing that sticks out is that they hit on their early picks and they keep them. Then in the FA they get playmakers that complement what they have. They still have Quinn on the bench as well and to tell you the truth if he's as good as people think he can be than they got him for a steal when they did. Yeah they gave up a 1st rounder this year but they could have taken him at 3 this year and no one would have questiond the value.

"Reminisce wrote:

This past year, MIAMI built through DRAFT. PATS built through FREE AGENCY(moss, welker, stallworth, adalius). You do the math. 0-16 and 16-0.

We're in a whole different situation then the Pats. Do you think we'd be anything near 16-0 if we held on the Welker and signed the guys New England did? They were already a very good team because they built through the draft. Adding the key guys that they did put them over the top. We have a bunch of upgrades needed. There's no need to shell out a ton of money when we're so far away. You also have to think that for top tier guys to sign with Miami, it will cost more than it would for other teams. Why would they want to play for a bad rebuilding team unless they break the bank?

"phinfan0202 wrote:

Think about the resurgence of the Cleveland Browns.

Derek Anderson-FA pick up
Jamal Lewis- Free Agent pick up
Braylon Edwards- Top 3 pick
Kellen Winslow- 6th Overall Pick
Joe Jurivicuis- FA pick
Joe Thomas- Top 3 pick
Kevin Shaffer- FA pick up

Willie Mcginnest- FA pick up
Kameron Wimbley- 1st round pick
Dquel Jackson- 2nd round pick
Lee Bodden- 2nd round pick

They have a good mix of both but the one thing that sticks out is that they hit on their early picks and they keep them. Then in the FA they get playmakers that complement what they have. They still have Quinn on the bench as well and to tell you the truth if he's as good as people think he can be than they got him for a steal when they did. Yeah they gave up a 1st rounder this year but they could have taken him at 3 this year and no one would have questiond the value.

No question that if we hope to be even moderately competitive and not a walkover next year we NEED to nail our first and second rounders. Our laughable past drafting has landed us in this spot. I really think we have been the worst drafting team since 2000. If we cant turn that around, then yeah we are going nowhere.
Cleveland has done a good job, would have loved to see a seasons worth of Ronnie vs Braylon, atm the clear top 2 players from the top of that draft.

"Captain lou wrote:

Atleast any high priced ones. They eat up too much cap room and usually give very little production in return. WE need to trade away as many players as we can, and build through the draft.

A. they are cheaper
B. They will work harder
C. They will listen better
D. They won't give up on our team
E. We are not a couple free agents away from a playoff team

We are going to be pretty bad next year too, but not 0-16 bad. Build through the draft and we will have a young team that will grow and become a great team for a long time.

you for got F. we have too many whole to fill to get them all through the draft. have to have some help in FA

"SMOKE wrote:

We're in a whole different situation then the Pats. Do you think we'd be anything near 16-0 if we held on the Welker and signed the guys New England did? They were already a very good team because they built through the draft. Adding the key guys that they did put them over the top. We have a bunch of upgrades needed. There's no need to shell out a ton of money when we're so far away. You also have to think that for top tier guys to sign with Miami, it will cost more than it would for other teams. Why would they want to play for a bad rebuilding team unless they break the bank?

ya but they already had a basic sructure to there team. we dont. we have to do the draft AND FA to fill our wholes.

"zach8111 wrote:

you for got F. we have too many whole to fill to get them all through the draft. have to have some help in FA

The point he was making is that we won't pay for any high priced free agents. Of course we'll have some signings but they'll probably be less familiar names.

"zach8111 wrote:

ya but they already had a basic sructure to there team. we dont. we have to do the draft AND FA to fill our wholes.

Thats basically what I said. I just don't expect any of our free agent pick-ups to be any of the top guys available.

Browns also grabbed FA G/T Eric Steinbach for big money, he's started 13/13 so far. I think it's important to pick the the RIGHT FA's, trade up for the right players, and keep the right guys, but that's a no-brainer.

Also, you left out Brodney Poole and Andra Davis. Poole has started 30 something games in 3 years and Davis has lead the Browns in tackles multiple seasons.

"Reminisce wrote:

We had the same chance to all their FA's as they did. Imagine us with stallworth, moss, welker.

Only one of those was a free agent.

"SMOKE wrote:

We're in a whole different situation then the Pats. Do you think we'd be anything near 16-0 if we held on the Welker and signed the guys New England did? They were already a very good team because they built through the draft. Adding the key guys that they did put them over the top. We have a bunch of upgrades needed. There's no need to shell out a ton of money when we're so far away. You also have to think that for top tier guys to sign with Miami, it will cost more than it would for other teams. Why would they want to play for a bad rebuilding team unless they break the bank?

Listen to this man. He speaks the truth.

"SMOKE wrote:

The point he was making is that we won't pay for any high priced free agents. Of course we'll have some signings but they'll probably be less familiar names.

Thank you. Finally someone who can read and comprehend written language!!!

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Wait a minute. You want Trufant, Samuel or Haynesworth, but you are calling Ran/Cam out for Joey Porter...

LOL does anybody see the total irony here?:lol:

no actually i don't porter is old those guys are younger you totally missed his point

"zach8111 wrote:

ya but they already had a basic sructure to there team. we dont. we have to do the draft AND FA to fill our wholes.

The Pats built what some consider to be the most important parts of the team (O and D-lines) through the draft. When you have good lines the people you put behind them start to play better. The positions they've been adding are spots like LB and WR. Skill positions that are available pretty much every offseason through free agency.

Think about it. If your D-line is getting a good push then QB's have less time to throw the ball. This can make an average DB look good because he's not in coverage for that long. A good O-line has the opposite effect, gives the QB a long time to throw and forces the other teams DB's into coverage for a longer period, allowing for coverage break downs to occur.

Going out and spending a ton of money on high priced free agents isn't worth it because your team is not 2-3 players away. I feel the same way about the Jets. There lines are terrible right now. The only spot I'd be willing to let them break the bank is on the O or D-line at this point, but even there I'm wary because I hate the idea of throwing a ton of money at a vet that might not be at the top of his game by the time the team is ready to compete for a title. (if ever)

"Jets81 wrote:

Going out and spending a ton of money on high priced free agents isn't worth it because your team is not 2-3 players away. I feel the same way about the Jets. There lines are terrible right now. The only spot I'd be willing to let them break the bank is on the O or D-line at this point, but even there I'm wary because I hate the idea of throwing a ton of money at a vet that might not be at the top of his game by the time the team is ready to compete for a title. (if ever)

whats the difference between throwing a ton at a guy like hayensworth or throwing just as much if not more at the top pick. if that pick is dorsey wouldnt you rather throw that money at a guy who at least has proven he can play at this level?

until they get a reasonable set payout to rookies the first pick will be as much of a curse as it will be good thing. if you draft in the top 5 and you miss you kill your team for years. look at oakland , if russel flops then there screwed. hell eat up a ton of cap space for years.

"finintheburgh wrote:

whats the difference between throwing a ton at a guy like hayensworth or throwing just as much if not more at the top pick. if that pick is dorsey wouldnt you rather throw that money at a guy who at least has proven he can play at this level?

until they get a reasonable set payout to rookies the first pick will be as much of a curse as it will be good thing. if you draft in the top 5 and you miss you kill your team for years. look at oakland , if russel flops then there screwed. hell eat up a ton of cap space for years.

As I said, the only place I'm comfortable with spending money right now is on the lines, so yes, I'd be tempted by a guy like Haynsworth. The point was mostly about skill positions. I completely agree about top 5 picks also. They're a crap shoot and they're expensive. Trading down is the best thing you can do although I doubt there will be many takers for the #1. It'll be interesting to see if the Pats can do it like they seem to every season, or if they opt to take a guy like Peterson and just plunge a dagger into the heart of the rest of the NFL.