Forget Signing Free Agents!

"Captain lou wrote:

Atleast any high priced ones. They eat up too much cap room and usually give very little production in return. WE need to trade away as many players as we can, and build through the draft.

A. they are cheaper
B. They will work harder
C. They will listen better
D. They won't give up on our team
E. We are not a couple free agents away from a playoff team

We are going to be pretty bad next year too, but not 0-16 bad. Build through the draft and we will have a young team that will grow and become a great team for a long time.

We are not a Asante Samuels away from going to the Super Bowl. Now that we've got our cap situation finally fixed from the Wanny days, the last thing we need to do is destroy it all over again by overpaying for the few stars available in FA. Better to spend that money on performance incentives.

I do agree NO HIGH PRICED/ HIGH PROFILE FA's...however, we do have SOooooo many issues, that key-role type players would be good to address....Starting with probably WR, and perhaps CB....ohhhh and of course TE

I disagree in this respect, when you have a chance to sign a YYOUNG high proced free agent, and you have the cap space, you should do it.

Asante Samuel (or someone else, Trufant, Haynesworth, whoever) are Pro Bowl caliber players who are young enough that when thsi team is competitive in 3 years, they will still be in their peak. Samuel is what, 24? Even if it takes us 3 years to build a team he's still be the best player on your D.

And this only underscores how horrific a signing joey Porter was. Yet another black mark on the Cam/Mueller combo.

You have to have some established players on your team. It can't be just from the draft. I do not mind overpaying for a top guard or tackle, or getting a veteran Wide Receiver .

But as far as skill position players; I agree, you get those in the draft. But it's about time we start investing on offensive linemen to play along side or in between Satele and Carey.

If you can get a veteran LT like Flozell Adams in free agency for a good contract, move Carey back to RT, and re-sign Hadnot, our offensive line would be very solid. We could only hope Mormino will be ready next season to take the LG spot; it would be a HUGE bonus if he is. An offensive line of Adams, Mormino, Satele, Hadnot and Carey can become one of the Top lines in the league by next season.

Time to stop being cheap on our offensive line.

"schmolioot wrote:

I disagree in this respect, when you have a chance to sign a YYOUNG high proced free agent, and you have the cap space, you should do it.

Asante Samuel (or someone else, Trufant, Haynesworth, whoever) are Pro Bowl caliber players who are young enough that when thsi team is competitive in 3 years, they will still be in their peak. Samuel is what, 24? Even if it takes us 3 years to build a team he's still be the best player on your D.

And this only underscores how horrific a signing joey Porter was. Yet another black mark on the Cam/Mueller combo.

Wait a minute. You want Trufant, Samuel or Haynesworth, but you are calling Ran/Cam out for Joey Porter...

LOL does anybody see the total irony here?:lol:

Joey Porter is 30 bro. In 3 years when we're competitve JP will be at the end of his career. Haynesworth, Samuel and Trufant are in the 24-26 range.

Do the math, in 3 years those players will still be in the primes and contributing to a potential playoff/SB run. JP won't.

No iron involved, just reading comprehension.

"schmolioot wrote:

I disagree in this respect, when you have a chance to sign a YYOUNG high proced free agent, and you have the cap space, you should do it.

Asante Samuel (or someone else, Trufant, Haynesworth, whoever) are Pro Bowl caliber players who are young enough that when thsi team is competitive in 3 years, they will still be in their peak. Samuel is what, 24? Even if it takes us 3 years to build a team he's still be the best player on your D.

And this only underscores how horrific a signing joey Porter was. Yet another black mark on the Cam/Mueller combo.

"schmolioot wrote:

Joey Porter is 30 bro. In 3 years when we're competitve JP will be at the end of his career. Haynesworth, Samuel and Trufant are in the 24-26 range.

Do the math, in 3 years those players will still be in the primes and contributing to a potential playoff/SB run. JP won't.

No iron involved, just reading comprehension.

Oh, I understand the math..but you are using the wrong number for x in your equation ;-)

The fact of the matter is the common denominator is that they are ALL overpriced names that wont contribute in the locker-room and will cost us what two nice role players would. That might fill one hole, but wont fill two.
In the sieve we currently have, I will take 2 moderately talented players over 1 overpriced overhyped one any day...and twice on any sunday.:001_rolleyes:

Fair enough (and sorry to snipe at ya)

How about this scenario, I believe adding a Samuel or Trufant does help us fix more than one position. With one of those guys in the fold Will allen becomes a very good No. 2 corner, with Lehan/Goodman becoming excellent nickel and dime guys. You improve the whole secondary tremendously by adding one player.

Same thing with Haynesworth. If you sign him and we get some push from the middle and start stopping the run, all of a sudden your ends have more freedom to pass rush

This past year, MIAMI built through DRAFT. PATS built through FREE AGENCY(moss, welker, stallworth, adalius). You do the math. 0-16 and 16-0.

Pats were building from a pretty good spot to begin with, though.

We had the same chance to all their FA's as they did. Imagine us with stallworth, moss, welker.

"schmolioot wrote:

Fair enough (and sorry to snipe at ya)

How about this scenario, I believe adding a Samuel or Trufant does help us fix more than one position. With one of those guys in the fold Will allen becomes a very good No. 2 corner, with Lehan/Goodman becoming excellent nickel and dime guys. You improve the whole secondary tremendously by adding one player.

Same thing with Haynesworth. If you sign him and we get some push from the middle and start stopping the run, all of a sudden your ends have more freedom to pass rush

Its all good bro, and sorry to snipe back (Ever been on a snipe hunt LOL)

I am not disagreeing with the scenario, but perhaps in our current situation, 1 high-priced player isnt going to fix it.
Samuel is going to cost THE BANK (See what whats his name is doing in San Fransisco BTW) Trufant, perhaps if he isnt too expensive would be nice. I would rather have Asoumgah (sp) from Oakland than either BTW
Haynesworth is a TURD (Spelled T U R D)...and he is absolutely going to cost the bank...

Once again, I think we do need some FA's but several moderate (and yes I agree young, which is a very good point you brought up) ones than 1 high priced...

Right, but we don't have Brady, their o-line, etc.

"Reminisce wrote:

We had the same chance to all their FA's as they did. Imagine us with stallworth, moss, welker.

Actually, didnt both Moss and Welker cost them several draft picks :confused2:

Stallworth hasnt completed a season in ohhh...about 5 years now.
Moss here would've already quit and packed it in...then we wouldve been stuck with his contract and crap...

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Its all good bro, and sorry to snipe back (Ever been on a snipe hunt LOL)

I am not disagreeing with the scenario, but perhaps in our current situation, 1 high-priced player isnt going to fix it.
Samuel is going to cost THE BANK (See what whats his name is doing in San Fransisco BTW) Trufant, perhaps if he isnt too expensive would be nice. I would rather have Asoumgah (sp) from Oakland than either BTW
Haynesworth is a TURD (Spelled T U R D)...and he is absolutely going to cost the bank...

Once again, I think we do need some FA's but several moderate (and yes I agree young, which is a very good point you brought up) ones than 1 high priced...

I agree that it's tough to break the bank for one guy, unless it is a special player. Is Samuel or Asoumgah that guy? Maybe.

This year is unique in that some young and really talented guys will actually hit the market and I think it might be worthwhile to take adavantage of it. However, looking at lower priced/moderartely priced guys, I love Bryant Johnson from Arizona. Can definitely be a good no. 2 WR

Haynesworth will not be leaving Tennessee. The Titans have made it very clear here ( I live just outside Nashville) that they are going to resign him.. They almost have no choice. Their Defense without him has been horrendous this year.

"schmolioot wrote:

However, looking at lower priced/moderartely priced guys, I love Bryant Johnson from Arizona. Can definitely be a good no. 2 WR

Yes, I love this guy. He has been VERY impressive here while living in the shadows of Boldin and Fitzgerald.

Sometimes I few guys can make a huge difference. Look how much better the Titans D got when their big DT was able to come back and play. They looked like two different teams with and without him.

And Moss is another example of how one player can sometimes make all the difference. The pats would be a totally different team without (and not even close to as good as they are with him) Moss. Granted not all big name free agents are going to be game changing players.

"Reminisce wrote:

This past year, MIAMI built through DRAFT. PATS built through FREE AGENCY(moss, welker, stallworth, adalius). You do the math. 0-16 and 16-0.

uhhh thats 1 year... for the past 10 years the pats have built through the draft and we have tried to build through free agency... you do the math...

lets look at the starters on their team that they drafted in the past 8 years alone:
LT: Matt Light
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Dan Koppen
RG: Steven Neal
RT: Nick Kaczur
QB: Tom Brady
RB: Maroney
CB: Asante Samuels, Ellis Hobbs
DL: Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour
S: Eugene Wilson, James Sanders

they have built through the draft, they used this FA to pick up wide receivers, and a line backer, thats about it...

you have to build a team through the draft and it takes some time

if a guy wants to play for an 0-16 team, he is a mercenary just looking to get paid

the NFL is full of cases where a guy played great in his contact year, got a big bonus and then did jack squat

Haynesworth will be that guy if he isn't tagged

"lbmclean_sj wrote:

if a guy wants to play for an 0-16 team, he is a mercenary just looking to get paid

the NFL is full of cases where a guy played great in his contact year, got a big bonus and then did jack squat

Haynesworth will be that guy if he isn't tagged

Haynesworth wil be that turd if he DOES get tagged...

"Captain lou wrote:

Build through the draft and we will have a young team that will grow and become a great team for a long time.

It's just that easy too. :up:

Build through the draft sounds all nice and fun, but you need quality FAs to complement them. That doesnt always mean someone of the top level, but if you have a chance to get one of that caliber, why pass?

We are on the road to 0-16 possibly. We have little talent. Why would you pass an opportunity to add a probowl talent? Really? If you have good cap space its okay to go out and get a premium player. You just dont want to be the Redskins who overpay for overhyped players year in and out and destroy yourself.
But adding a player here and there isnt going to kill us, we NEED top players! You dont go from a team like this to a SB in 2-3 years "building through the draft" and ignoring FA. You need BOTH.
FA gives you a chance to add an instant starter, a veteran presence, a leader, a PLAYMAKER! You just dont turn your back on that.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Build through the draft sounds all nice and fun, but you need quality FAs to complement them. That doesnt always mean someone of the top level, but if you have a chance to get one of that caliber, why pass?

We are on the road to 0-16 possibly. We have little talent. Why would you pass an opportunity to add a probowl talent? Really? If you have good cap space its okay to go out and get a premium player. You just dont want to be the Redskins who overpay for overhyped players year in and out and destroy yourself.
But adding a player here and there isnt going to kill us, we NEED top players! You dont go from a team like this to a SB in 2-3 years "building through the draft" and ignoring FA. You need BOTH.
FA gives you a chance to add an instant starter, a veteran presence, a leader, a PLAYMAKER! You just dont turn your back on that.

I never said no free agents. I just don't want to designate too much money to one player where if could be spent on several needs.