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Food Producers announce price increases

Discussion in 'Economics and Financials' started by padre31, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506404575592313664715360.html

    Interesting since food and fuel are not included in the CPI this will largely go unnoticed by Federal Reserve stats.
     
  2. Fin D

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    Let's see, the crackdown on illegals who work mostly in food production, reaches a fever pitch and then magically prices of ingredients (the stuff the immigrants generally pick) is going up.

    Coincidence?
     
  3. padre31

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    Depends what you mean by "food production", if you mean "pick tomatoes" then I say myth, if you mean work in food processing plants, then I can somewhat, but not totally agree.

    If one bothers to read the whole article one can see the reasons behind the announcement, and there are several, food production ie "harvesting" is actually a small percentage of the cost of producing foodstuffs.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I read the article. It said the cost of ingredients was rising. They blamed it on grain costs because of the higher demand for beef in Asia. I don't buy that for a second. We were also given the same reason for higher gas prices....higher demand in Asia, and we all know that turned out to be false.

    From picking the grown items to the processing plants, illegal immigrants are a huge part of the workforce.
     
  5. padre31

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    Beef was one item, and it is far more profitible to sell beef in Asia than the US, there were other reasons as well.

    As for "picking the grown items" you are offbase, I suggest you look into the facts of the matter as the results will surprise you, the majority, and I do mean the large majority of harvesting is done by machine now, it is far more efficient.
     
  6. azfinfanmang

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    If it means we no longer have illegals making money, but not paying taxes. Going to hospitals but not paying bills (Which is obviously passed on to the rest of us), I will GLADLY pay the increase. :up:
     
  7. padre31

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    Well, in this case it is not massive agrabusiness that is the issue, it is the smaller farms and ranches that have no financial incentive to mechanize but who hire migrants (mercenaries?) to harvest their fields.

    Small businesses in other words, which is why I'd bet the more rural counties generally do not support, or weakly support, immigration enforcement.

    For myself, tbh I'm mixed on this AZ, on one hand I never forget these are decent people being discussed, not abstractions, on the other, the financial burden cannot be ignored, those who point to Ellis Island as a model fail to mention that at the time, there was no publicly subsidized social net offering benefits for those who made it to America to live.
     
  8. MikeHoncho

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    Home farming ftw.
     
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    Heres a little food for thought.

    Farms here in the HEARTLAND are being sold and developed faster than SF Giants jersey's are being printed and sold.

    You drive along ANY highway here in North Texas and its disturbing. You can see the prototypical farmhouse, that has withstood generations, which is clearly outlined because it is next to an OLD!!! farmhouse that has been abandoned for generations..and in front of this thousands of acres....a for sale sign

    I asked at length what was going on when I first moved here, and its interesting.

    The local farmers actually cant compete with the Produce being brought across the border (F*** NAFTA as it should be the NAUFTA).

    Nobody can make a living farming, so they are selling off thousands of acres to be developed.... anybody see the writing on THIS wall? Much easier to cover fields with concrete than it is to strip said concrete off and plant fields
     
  11. padre31

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    Which is why they use migrants to harvest if they wish to stay farmers AZ, they are that sensitive to costs if they no longer wish to farm, or the finances are just not there, what else are they supposed to do but pull the plug on it?

    To me, the question then becomes, who benefitted from all of this?

    Answer that honestly and the Limbaugh's or Hannity's of the world will say "Class Warfare" with a white bright toothy smile.
     
  12. azfinfanmang

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    Youre not reading what I am saying.

    They are not using Migrant workers, they are throwing in the towel all-together. They expect his generation and perhaps the next to live off what they make off the land.

    Farms here in North Texas are almost completely an after thought. They are dis-appearing. Youre not hearing THAT from ERush or Hannity. That fact doesnt pay their side. :up:
     
  13. padre31

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    Some, not all, you are not hearing what I am saying, the small farmers still in the business use migrant labor to try and stay in business, they cannot afford a 140 k mechanical harvester but they can afford 80k to have the fields harvested.


    Agree, however "you" are talking about NTexas, I'm talking about the issue of migrant labor usage, apples and oranges.

    The other thing no one on the "right" mentions is the virtual monopolies Agri Business has on processing and distributing what is produced, how much is produced, and what it is used for, and how much in Federal Subsidies they receive via wholly owned politicians in the House and Senate.

    I've yet to hear anyone of the so called "Voices of Conservatism" and "Capitalists" like Limbaugh, Hannity, whomever even mention the raping of the taxpayer Archer Daniels Midland and ConAgra are engaging in.
     
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    Yeah, not here. ALL the harvesting...actually ALL the farming is mechanized.

    Now lawn mowing and building houses, that is COMPLETELY and TOTALLY done by folks that dont speak any english...
     
  15. jw3102

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    Food prices are going up. Today I received notification that my health insurance premiums are going up $126.00 a month. The taxes on my house went up $450
    for next year while the value decreased $65,000. My home insurance increased more than $500 this year. Gas at the pumps is higher now then it was this time last year. All these increases in prices for essential items and the government claims that inflation is not an issue. I wonder how far prices actually have to rise before the government will actually admit that inflation is a problem.
     
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    It’s not that government doesn’t think inflation exists, it’s that they’re causing it, and they believe it to be a desirable way to get out of debt as well as stimulate the economy.
     
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  17. Eshlemon

    Eshlemon Well-Known Member

    FED tinkering may have some serious hyperinflation consequences. With prices already rising for the year does not seem smart to induce more inflation as stated in that other article you posted on this padre.
     
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  18. padre31

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    Well, I advocate a home warehousing strategy Eshlemon, (Pugsley's Alpha Strategy) which really boils down to ancient Economics where "wealth" was not measured in Dollar terms it was measured in what you did not need to purchase.

    That avoids some, by no means all, of the effects of these factors along with Fed policy making.

    100 pds of coffee next year may well double in price, or at least rise 50%, if you purchase it now, you effectively "make" that 50% price increase through money saved.
     
  19. padre31

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    The Govt, actually the Federal Reserve, does not include Food and Fuel in it's "core" inflation measurements, AFAIK, local taxation does not count in their measurements of "inflation".
     
  20. HolliFinFan

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    I do know this: eating healthy is expensive as hell. I don't eat snacks or fast food, but I do eat at least five servings of fresh fruit and five of fresh vegetables a day. I don't buy meat, except for shrimp occasionally, and my grocery bill grows every time I hit the store.
    Produce and coffee prices are out of control, for sure.
     
  21. padre31

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    Hmm, if you don't mind my asking, do you purchase certified organic produce, locally grown produce or ?

    I mix protein with fiber (say steak and a spinach salad) and try to drink 4 32 oz glasses of water a day those are sort of my only guidelines.
     
  22. HolliFinFan

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    Hi, Padre. I buy from Publix or the local farmer's market if I have time to go to the farmer's market. I will say this, I have to eat it all up quickly if I buy locally grown. I was better at shopping in the summer, but working 12 hour days now, I often just buy at Publix. I am a green person, but not a fan so much of "organic," for many reasons. I have read enough to know that organic is sometimes better, but not all the time. Maybe I am just too damn frugal. :hi5:
    That said, I don't mind buying the imperfect apples and fruit from the locals. I generally try to make the time to do that, but in a busy world, the grocery is closer.
    I am also a water freak, so much to the point that I have it delivered in 5 gallon bulk, so I don't have to buy the plastic bottles. We refill portable water vessels to take to work.
     
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  23. Eshlemon

    Eshlemon Well-Known Member

    So for this years price increase we blame Obama for the record number of illegal immigrants deported over the last year. I'm not buying it. The increase wasn't significant to the overall illegal immigrant population.

    Why not blame last years minimum wage raise which significantly impacts lower income rural economies more than typicly higher urban. Stuff is going up because labor costs went up.
     

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