Florida State gets exposed! deservedly so.

hey they had a rhodes scholar!!!!!

 

this happend a long time ago, so welcome. this is just the final punishment. and please dont put a kids interview who is just coming out of college as an example of anything. many athletes coming out are terrible at interviews. most these NFL players get interview training and such. was Ohio State doing the same thing? ever heard a Tedd Ginn interview?

 

how fair is it? its not fair, thats why we were punished for what happend....anything else?

and i dont understand how you knew there was something going on because our program wasnt winning national championships and we still had high draft picks. that makes no sense what so ever.

 

no it doesnt. because players were suspended becasue of this, so players WERE punished?

we have one of the best defenses in college football year after year, because of our inept offense is the reason for our lack of wins in the win column. dispite the win column(which btw, even though its not great, we did have all winning seasons and average over 8 wins the past 6 years) we have had high picks because of our defensive players. so if thats all the evidence you need, you must think this about A LOT of other programs. do you think the same for the Canes?

 

you leave the canes out of this

 

LOL, i just brought them up because i know without looking up theyve had a lot of high draft picks with not much success lately.

hell, what about Arkansas?

 

I am so with you 100%. I know of at least 2 guys when I went to school who were denied entrance into the University of Florida, even with 3.5 GPA's and 1200 SAT's while 1 kid from my HS was given a scholly by Florida for football despite the fact that the guy could hardly read and he was given A's for classes that he never attended.

It wasn't fair, but it was a lesson in life. The 2 guys that didn't make it didn't do too badly though. One attended Miami-Dade Community College and then FIU and is now a Professor of English at Weber State in Utah and the other guy went into the Marines and is a Colonel just a few years from retirement.

 

Not necessarily....loss of schollys can affect a teams deprg and that can lead to losses and no bowl

 

I agree I wonder what spin he puts on it. Of course you know they will appeal and what they argue to reverse will be the most interesting part about it.

Will they go for reinstatement of the games so that Bobbah's win total goes back up, or will they try to get schollys back that will help the program more. It will be a test of exactly where the program is, and who is really running it. Bobbah's ego will be tested.

 

Emmit is an example.. if you will recall, in the beginning he never did an interview without Mike Irving at his side.. y'all may think he is terrible as a talking head (as do I), but he certainly has come far, bad as he is.

 

I know your playing, atleast I hope you are. Rolle deserved the scholarship, and their were players on that team that actually did earn their degrees. This kind of stuff upsets me because it makes the whole university look bad.

 

They have learned how to "media talk." When the cameras are off they are completely different people. MJ was a perfect example.

 

During football season you always hear the backstory of pro players who grew up dirt poor, got a scholarship, played 3 years in college, and got drafted into the NFL to make some serious $$. I think a lot of the projected starters in college aren't even concerned with an education, they just look at it as a stepping stone to the NFL. That's too bad considering all the kids with no athletic ability growing up in a low income environment who won't get the same opportunity to get an education. JMO

 

as an FSU fan, Im disgusted by what my favorite school has turned into. Many of my family members attended FSU and we all follow the Seminoles. Watching any of their games this year is not going to feel the same.

 

Fin it won't make you feel better, but believe me your school is not the only one doing this. Basically they ALL are doing these things. FSU just was unlucky enough to get caught.

 

but that doesnt mean they should do it. they know the rules and they made the choices.

 

True, there are no excuses, and FSU is going to have to pay. However, I think the NCAA will reduce the penalties upon appeal.

 

There are two sides to this one, yes those players in various sports cheated, and did so blatantly, however the University itself also makes mountains of cash off those student/athletes.

Once USC got away with the Reggie Bush affair, let us not kid ourselves, this is business, almost a semi pro league for the NFL.

I see this stuff, then shake my head when comparing it to Jimmy V being fired at NC State because a couple of players sold excess shoes to purchase gifts with, today almost anything goes.

 

I believe you are just being a bit naïve. I have had intimate contact with the inner workings at several universities and the amount of cheating is rampant, and rather endemic to athletic departments. Cheating is considered just another competition, just to see if you can beat the system.

 

I've never understood why U$C was let off the hook on that. The Bush affair smelled to high-heaven, and then the story just disappeared. You know someone was paid off on that one.

There just seem to be certain schools that never seem to come under the eye of the NCAA and there is no need to state their names, I think we can all figure out which ones they are, but there is nothing that can be done about it. They have all the power, and they will never let anything get inbetween them and their money, even if it means a little bit of it is used to pay off the right people. Its just a business expense.

 

I don't believe there are "payoffs" per se, I do think that if the NCAA can keep the cash coming in while having eyes wide shut they will do so.

Reggie Bush's mom ends up with a house and car bought by an agent, and the U ends up with a cover story in SI about disbanding the football program ala SMU.

Craig James and Eric Dickerson caused SMU to undergo the "death penalty" sanction from the NCAA for being paid roughly 350 and 500 dollars per game to play football at SMU, Reggie Bush ends up with a 100k house and 45k SUV and the whole thing goes away.

 

Then there was the whole thing with Notre Dame a few years ago.....the lady booster, did all sorts of stuff. Not a single sanction on the school, Maurice Clarett does all sorts of stuff, never attends a class, yet Ohio St gets nothing.

It does boil me when I see Craig James on college ball, and we all know he was dirty as they get. Who the hell is he to pontificate about anyone. He is as annoying as hell !

 

Craig James is honest about what went on though, he isn't sugar coating what went on, not at all, like the Sooners in the 80's, things were ugly.

It bothers me that media has some sort of effort going to discredit Miami Football, and they (we) are no better nor worse, yet because we are Miami, we're guilty, one and all, that pisses me off no end.

I'm not a Randy Shannon fan, but if he ever tried to pull the stuff Pete "you will play in a bowl game every year" Carrol has allowed, he would have been banned from the NCAA.

 

Florida State is being exposed...

But if you ask me nearly every top level program gives the $500 handshakes and commit's multiple recruiting violations. Ohio State, USC, FSU, UF, U-Name It. It is a flawed system and there is too much money involved for it to ever change.

I remember when I was in high school I fell short of the academic eligability guess what....the baseball coach set up a meeting with my math teacher and the AD while I waited outside the office. Coach walked out and said your playing and the next day my grade was changed from a C to a B allowing me to play. The crookedness does not stop at the colliegate level.

 

Actually Lucky, lets bing the canes into this...if you look at the APR rankings at UF/Miami/FSU then it becomes pretty apparent that FSU is lagging far behind UM and UF. The APR's are complicated and take in all sports, but they it is not subjective it is what it is...and if you look at FSU both football and all sports then they are lagging and fading....it is what it is...here are some good links.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/compliance_forms/Certification/N4A 2008.pdf

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2007/234_2007_apr.pdf

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2007/234_2007_apr.pdf

 

Every college has its dark horses, or their little black secrets so to say. The U has been surrounded by scandal for yrs, and as of lately so has FSU. Once you open up the door to being investigated by the NCAA you open the flood gates. I can promise you UF, and alot more schools if the door was opened by the players doing stupid asinine things like the FSU players did, dirt would be found.

 

Not right....how fair was that to all the other kids in that class ? Did you accept the grade change and play ? Hopefully you regret that now, and see that you are also morally wrong for playing when you knew you actually hadn't earned that right.

Its another way of showing the messed up priorities we have these days, that playing a ball game is more important than teaching the child that he needs to earn that right, and that its a priviledge to play ball, not a right.

 

Yes, I played without blinking. But when your a 15 year old kid you just wanna play.

But my laziness caught up to me when as soon as I got to college and became just another player, I basically just did not go to class opting instead to hang with every girl I could and stay up until 4am every day. I was in college for all of 1.5 semesters before I was shown the door.

When I was 18 I was very immature and honestly didnt care about anything. No I didnt think I could just get a free pass from my teachers again, I really just did not care.

Do I regret it now? Yea I do......I regret alot of things but at this point you just have to send a different message to your own children and take it as a lesson learned.

 

im not sure what APR is exactly, but check out these statistics.

LINK