First Team Depth Chart

Yeah, that's the most shocking thing to me as well. I don't know much about Richard Marshall. Is he that good? Has Davis been that bad so far in camp? Motivational tool? And Vontae was miles and miles ahead of Sean Smith last season for that matter.

I don't pay too much attention to depth charts this time of year so I'm guessing there's not much to worry about. I'd be shocked if Vontae wasn't starting game 1.

 

Fellas, there is -0-, none, da nada, nien, chance that VD is not our starting Cb when we play the Texans.

Marshall will play the nickel in the old Will Allen role imo.

 

I think the coaching staff knows full well what they have with Lamar Miller. I wouldn't read much more into it than the fact that it's a deep position and the others are more experienced.

 

I don't put too much in the depth charts in training camp. I think it is a motivational tool more than anything, and Philbin said he is required to turn one in.

 

It's the first depth chart of the season, this thing will be a distant memory in 3 weeks.

That said, I am REALLY concerned about Vontae Davis. I know the nickel corner plays a **** load of snaps in today's NFL but he should not be a nickel, he is too good for that ****. He needs to get to work.

Roberto Wallace is pretty far down the depth chart considering how much I've heard about the guy.

I like our offensive line depth (if Steinbach can still play).

I actually like our receiver depth.

I bet Lamar Miller is Reggie's backup by week 1.

We are REALLY thin on defense. Our front 7 depth really concerns me.

 

though, I have to say, I'm glad they're giving Marshall some reps at starting outside in case we ever need him there. Like if Vontae goes out and gets drunk before a game again.

 

Here's what I wonder. Does where a receiver is on the WR positional depth chart tell the whole story as to being kept or cut? We know that to be the 4th 5th, even 6th WR you have to play decent special tems. So if Wallace is low on the WR position chart but a strong special teamer, he would stay, whereas someone higher on the WR chart, but a poor special teamer might still get cut.

Just a thought.

 

I view the depth chart as a motivational tool this early in camp. I expect to see more heated competition and spirited effort in preseason games. I am excited about guys like Shelby and McDonald.

 

Oh, I think that was when Tony sat him for a game though as punishment.

 

I really don't see a reason to get worked up over anything quite yet... our first preseason game hasn't even started. Hell we haven't even had a chance to see Hard Knocks yet.

I do know one thing.. our QB situation isn't worse than the Cardinals. Just awful.

 

Yea. Wondering if they might want to trade a late pick for Moore after all.

 

This is what I see happening, and tbh he fits what the Cardinals do really well.

I could easily see MMoore going up top to Fitz or Floyd.

 

I didn't mean it like that... discuss away. I personally won't get worked up over anything quite yet.

 

I think you may be overreacting a bit. Even if Wilson isn't a starter, he'll still see a lot of defensive snaps. I'd expect he'll be the dime back and we use 6 db packages a lot as I recall.
It's no big deal that Clay is the #2 TE. We could see 2 TE packages with a single back at least as much as a RB/FB together,

It is early, very little of this is etched in stone.

 

Maybe he means a subliminal?

 

White Lightning plays for the Packers. We have White Men Can't Jump.

 

Vontae is not just a bump and run corner. He can play man off just as well. I think his lateral quickness would be very effective in the slot.

 

Agree, when he plants his foot and drives towards the WR and ball intersection point it's amazing how quickly he gets there. GREAT short area closing speed.

 

Why is Bess still returning punts??? He is tooooo slow!

 

Last season, Marshall allowed a lower comp pct and lower passer rating into his coverage than either Davis or Smith. He allowed less TD passes. He had less missed tackles than Smith and the same number as Davis but played 150 more snaps.
From PFF:

 

I think the problem with Miller is more academic than anything. There were rumors he was dumb as a box of rocks, and that his pass protection wasn't very good coming out in the draft. Philbin has singled out his pass protection as a problem before, and he's been pulled from the 2-minute drill entirely. Seems to add up, superficially.

He's clearly been getting snaps with the higher units, but I imagine he's going to be pushed and prodded and demoted until he either learns what he needs to do or proves himself too good of a rusher to hold him back because he ****s up his blocking assignments.

 

No chance at all? I do not agree with this.

 

Ireland not overpaying for Kolb is worth a ten yr contract extension all by itself. The Cards were so stupid to make that trade. Skelton will be the week 1 starter and Kolb the most overpaid backup in the league.
That was so much worse a deal than when we traded for AJ Feeley (with 3 e's, unlike kicker Jay who spells his last name with 2, but I digress...)
They did draft Peterson and he's an excellent corner/returner, but trading for Kolb rather than drafting Locker and just keeping Rodgers-Cromartie will end up looking bad in the long run IMO.

 

Richard Marshall can play folks, I will not be surprised at all if it's Smith/Marshall in our base package.

 

That would be Hartline's Native American name. The Indians would probably shorten it to White Man Fall Down though.

 

you're surprised? Jerry has sucked from day 1, he should have been cut last year, another mid round Ireland bust special.

I still cant believe we passed on Jimmy Graham for this bum, here were the interior OL on the roster at that time: Smiley, Donald Thomas, Garner, Berger, Incognito. most of these guys helped pave the way for a top 5 rushing attack.

and here were our TEs: Fasano, Joey Haynos, Kory Sperry, Nalbone.

pretty clear which position was of greater need.

 

I'm still dwelling on Jimmy Johnson passing up Olin Kreutz late in the 2nd round 1998, choosing instead to make one of his patented trade downs for extra lower picks. I suspect the passing over of Graham for John (I may be big and fat, but I'm slow) Jerry, will occupy equal space in my head in ten years, if I am still above ground.
I think it was more of a Parcells decision though. Ireland showed this season he isn't afraid to take an athletic receiving TE in the 3rd, and Egnew would never go higher than Graham if they were in the same draft. JMO.

 

Yeah I think those rumors might be true, I mean have you heard this man speak?

 

What had he said?

 

I love that because it lets you do more with dropping that corner (Marshall) to a safety position at times, in a quarters look, or dsiguised coverage look in the secondary... That allows more rolling coverage to the opposite side and blitzing, mixing up zones and QBs.

Vontae is not as versatile as a cb and safety as Marshall.

 

Julius is my guy. I predicted him to make the 53 back during mini camps, so glad to see he is living up to my expectations. I remember how much he stood out like a sore thumb as a gunner last season. I remember reading Rizzi singing his praises too. So, if he can show anything as a WR too, that would seal it IMO. The #3 and #4 WRs must be good on STs to be worth keeping...in most cases anyway.

 

^ this girl is scary lookin' lol that hair line along with the alien shaped head, the only thing she's got going for her is that jersey. Should of kept the other chick.

 

I don't think Mike Sherman would agree with the assessment of Lamar Miller that says he's dumb and that's why he's behind. In his interview when asked about Miller the very first things he brought up were:

1. He's picking things up very well
2. Pass protection has been excellent
3. His assignments have been very good, he studies
4. He asked Jeff Nixon how he was in meetings and he told him he takes good notes
5. Too much dancing in the hole instead of one cut and go

So really unless you're looking to psychoanalyze Sherman and say that he affirmed his fears by negating them or something like that, then I don't think that's been the problem with Miller. I think literally he's just trying to get Miller to be more of a one cut and go runner.

 

well he doesnt sound very smart in interviews, hard to understand that guy, but sherman just today said he like his pass blocking

 

Sometimes I wonder if that isn't like... Yeah I thought his pass blocking was **** when I saw his scouting film, but now he's in and I am pleasantly surprised that it's not as bad as I thought.

Wich is different than, wow this guys one of our better pass protectors.

 

It was one of the first things he brought up about Miller, which was encouraging. We know the guy can run and break off big plays, and he seems good at catching passes...if he can get his assignments down and pass protect well then that will get him on the field.