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First Round Draft Targets

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Aqua4Ever04, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Logan Woodside, the Qb for Toledo and RB Mark Walton from Miami are two players I'd like to get. Woodside may go in the 1st/ high second but Walton could slip down cause he injured his ankle this year. Then try and get the best o-line players available.
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    I could get behind Walton, but if we're gonna get a developmental QB, I want Riley Ferguson from Memphis.
     
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  3. dolphin25

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    relying on Pouncey to be healed and good, was a real bad decision.
     
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  4. Csonka Marino

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    Asiata and Tunsil have not developed as I expected; this is due to conditioning and coaching in my opinion. The system needs to get better from the bottom to the top. At this point I don't know if that will happen.
     
  5. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    I don't see Woodside as a project. I think he could contribute right away.
     
  6. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Conditioning?

    Issues with Tunsil appear mental as in he loses focus at times and struggles with stunts. Still, he's given up less sacks his first season and a half than Jake Long did his first 2 years. Jake gave up 7 in 2008 and 2009. Tunsil has given up 5 so far.

    Asiata was a 5th rounder, and low round guys are always larger gambles, plus Jesse Davis has been developing well. Some 5's are great like Godchaux, who he fell from a 2nd or 3rd round prospect due to character issues. Most guys in the 5,6,7 range take a couple seasons to develop. That's hardly just conditioning.

    Separately, Degugs has been doing a good job with the OL since he got here a month ago.
     
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  7. Dolphin North

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    Yes, if we pick the right QB you'll get over Tannehill pretty quickly. I just don't trust that this organization will:
    A) Know the value of a very good QB when they see one if he does fall to us.
    B) See that the best move is to pick him no matter how in love they may be with Tannehill.
     
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  8. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    Woodside is absolute stud. Good on you for throwing his name out there.
     
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  9. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    We were linked to Desmond Kong last year, didn’t happen. And he’s having a DROY type season one San Diego. I’ll take his former teammate as well.
     
  10. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    I promise you they aren’t taking a QB in the first round. And that comes from people connected to the team.
     
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  11. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    That’s a great fit if Arians is still there. And by the same token, Luke Falk.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    I disagree about that being the best move.

    We're a playoff team with Thill. We need other parts. parts that it would be better to spend 1st rd picks on.
     
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  13. Dolphin North

    Dolphin North Well-Known Member

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    I know most people disagree and I actually appreciate you not flying off the handle as Tannehill has been a very emotional issue for a lot of people since he arrived. I also believe Tannehill's best years are ahead of him. I just think this is a good year to get a very good QB without going top 5, from what I hear anyway. I think that is the one position that team's should always invest in (every few years) unless they have PB QB in his prime. The Dolphins don't tend to invest much in the position though, so I'm fairly certain it's a moot point.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    I'm all for a QB in the draft....after Round 3. I said in another thread, Riley Ferguson in any round after 4-7 would make me happy.

    I just think there's some real talent at positions of immediate need in the Top 3 Rounds that would make our team better now (OLB, DE, Interior OL & TE specifically)

    To me, the list of priorities based on positional group issues we have right now (top to bottom in order of importance due to holes or problems):

    DEs
    LBs
    Interior OL
    TEs
    Secondary
    WRs
    RBs
    QB
    Interior DL
     
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  15. Drizzy

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    I don't see why the Eagles can trade a host of picks to secure Wentz in the 1st with Bradford there but Tannehill gives us the luxury of waiting until the 4th round? Look at the similarities between the two, similar age and cap numbers at the time, both had recently tore their knee up, Bradford was signed for 2 years, Ryan's signed for 3. I mean Tannehill's better but not by so much that you table the most important position until Day 3 of the draft.
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Bradford reached his ceiling before he got to Philly. Thill hasn't yet. Thill is a 3 digit rating QB, now that he knows the offense.
     
  17. Patster1969

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    Also, Bradford had had a lot of previous injury issues, whereas until the knee injury, Ryan had been very robust considering the hits he has taken. The knee is obviously a worry though, as you never know what will happen but the majority come back almost where they were. QB still needs to be looked at because if you have a QB on the practice squad for 2 years and he hasn't even seen the game day 53 in that time, is he going to be worth the future investment? Surely there must be decent prospects on day 2 or 3?
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Agreed. I'm all for Riley Ferguson on Day 3.
     
  19. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Day 3 to transcend the Phins? My goodness
     
  20. dirtylandry

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    Tannehill hasn't yet? Tell me what 6-7 year QB's, take 6-7 years, to not have reached their ceiling? I think Rich Gannon was one, but that was too long ago. How about now? What QB in years 6-7, finally get it together, and win Super Bowls, are year in and year out, in the playoffs, and can carry their team on its back? The answer is NO ONE

    Please don't say Alex Smith lol
     
  21. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Tell me what QB succeeded with a terrible line, no commitment to the run game and wasn't allowed to audible, like Thill up till last year?
     
  22. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    I dunno if this is another post of yours that you think is crystal clear or not, but it doesn't make sense. Please try again.
     
  23. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    You said the line wasn't terrible just last week


    Listen, the days of tannehill are numbered. It was a project, but Miami will move on. Maybe not in 2018, but 2018 will start a transition.
     
  24. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    a day 3 qb to transcend the Phins?
     
  25. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Dear effing god.

    You tell me in another thread I have reading comprehension issues, then you go on to completely not be able to read what I wrote...AGAIN.

    I cannot wait till you're banned again or your mom takes away your internet privileges.

    You are the single worst thing that has ever happened to this site.
     
  26. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    WTf are you talking about?
     
  27. danmarino

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    Rodgers, Brady, Brees, to name a few.
     
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  28. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Um, they were all elite and winning playoffs and super bowls way before years 6-7
     
  29. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No they weren't. "Winning playoffs" isn't an individual elite marker or else Dilfer, Plunkett, Johnson, Grossman, and McMahon (to name a few) are elite.

    All three put up average numbers (or were on the bench) their first 5-7 years in the league.
     
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  30. dirtylandry

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    The point of my post is that "some poster" said THill hasn't hit his ceiling. I'm asking what qb in year 6-7, grows, not for one year, but several after. No excuses allowed about the line or running game. Why? NE runs the ball with Walmart Linemen. Why? Because they fear the qb throwing
     
  31. danmarino

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    No one was afraid of Brady throwing the ball until about 2007.
     
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  32. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Brady won two super bowls early, by year 4. Brees became pretty perennial in year 4, however, in year 6 in NO, he was a monster. Rodgers sat 3 years and in his first year after, tore it up
     
  33. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    so what's the likelihood of Tannehill making us perennial based on the history of qb's not doing squat in 6 years?
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Would you trade the offensive roster and coaching staff Thill had his first 4 years for the offensive roster and coaching staff of those other teams?
     
  35. Fin D

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    Pretty good.

    Unless you think it makes sense to handicap his chances based on scenarios and circumstances that had nothing to do with him, like what happened to Brees, or Rodgers, etc.
     
  36. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    RT gets every excuse in the books. That tells me all I need to know
     
  37. danmarino

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    Winning Super Bowls means nothing in regards to individual performance. Brady was average up until about 2007. (Even with the cheating)

    In Rodgers 4th season he had a 93 passer rating. In his 5th and 6th seasons he played great..in his 7th season he became elite.

    In Brees' first 5 seasons he was average, too. So average that he was traded. In his 6th season he played elite.


    (Average may be the wrong word, all had games where they played fantastic, but they weren't elite.)
     
  38. Boik14

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    Excuses are different than facts dirty landry doesnt agree with. Stop getting them confused.
     
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  39. danmarino

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    I think that depends on what the rest of the team looks like. I think he's an above average QB that can lead the right team to the Super Bowl. Out of all the QB's in the NFL today, I think only Rodgers could take a mediocre TEAM to the Super Bowl.
     
  40. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    You guys can sit here and wait for RT. If Miami was smart, like Hou and LA, you stop finding excuses and holding onto players you think have potential. Those QB's have changed the entire organization and city. They will also attract free agents.
     

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