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The RFA's are not expected to be tendered a contract, and the compensation, until just before March 5. GM's want to talk to other GM's at the combine before deciding on what to do.

Dansby is reportedly seeking about $30 million guaranteed. In a discussion in the club the conclusion seemed to be that, after adjusting for today's dollars, he's seeking about 80% of what Ray Lewis signed for. If you think he's 80% of the player that Lewis was in 2001, then he's worth it. IMO he's worth that and I don't think this FO will balk at that. Obviously somebody could over pay, but I still think that Miami should be the odds on favorite to land Dansby.

"rafael wrote:

Dansby is reportedly seeking about $30 million guaranteed. In a discussion in the club the conclusion seemed to be that, after adjusting for today's dollars, he's seeking about 80% of what Ray Lewis signed for. If you think he's 80% of the player that Lewis was in 2001, then he's worth it. IMO he's worth that and I don't think this FO will balk at that. Obviously somebody could over pay, but I still think that Miami should be the odds on favorite to land Dansby.

I'll pass on any comparisons to one of the best LB's to ever play the game.

However, I do agree with you. In the past two years, we have paid a couple of players very good, not great money. This year, there are no other options.

IF we do not get Dansby and maybe a NT, we have to trade picks or count solely on the draft. I am not counting on contract cuts.

Dansby is not worth what he will get. That supply and demand is something we have to deal with. There are no other choices.

"MaddMatt wrote:

I'll pass on any comparisons to one of the best LB's to ever play the game.

However, I do agree with you. In the past two years, we have paid a couple of players very good, not great money. This year, there are no other options.

IF we do not get Dansby and maybe a NT, we have to trade picks or count solely on the draft. I am not counting on contract cuts.

Dansby is not worth what he will get. That supply and demand is something we have to deal with. There are no other choices.

I'll wait to see what he gets before I make a judgment, but if the reports of what he's expecting are accurate then IMO he's worth it.

The New York Giants are considered a possible destination for linebacker Karlos Dansby, as reports have surfaced that the Arizona Cardinals will not put the franchise tag on him for the third straight year. If the reports are true, Dansby will become a free agent on March 5th and will be on the Giants' radar.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/159830-dansby-could-be-headed-to-the-giants?eref=sihp

We have so many holes to fill we MUST pick up at least one solid FA signing, either ILB (Dansby), NT (Wilfork) but I don't know of any others, the pickings sure seem slim!

I think we have no choice but to go all out for Dansby.

Dansby and Picket would be sweet.

With all of the contract bonuses coming due in March some unexpected players will be cut or traded to avoid paying them.

And I still think Adalious Thomas is on the radar.

"padre31 wrote:

With all of the contract bonuses coming due in March some unexpected players will be cut or traded to avoid paying them.

And I still think Adalious Thomas is on the radar.

Good call on that one
I def think he will be a dark horse in FA
he's outa the Pats...and he would be a def upgrade to what we have
good pass rusher from the ILB spot

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

Good call on that one
I def think he will be a dark horse in FA
he's outa the Pats...and he would be a def upgrade to what we have
good pass rusher from the ILB spot

Depends what he wants.
He has been very very disappointing for NE since they signed him.
Another I would add to the possibility list is Chris Gocong.
He would be a nice fit at a seriously reduced price of Dansby....

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

Good call on that one
I def think he will be a dark horse in FA
he's outa the Pats...and he would be a def upgrade to what we have
good pass rusher from the ILB spot

Maybe Vrabel as well, it really comes down to whether or not they want a Vet with no learning curve, or if they will suffer a young players learning curve.

I do feel A Thomas will have a chip on his shoulder over the way the Patriots do things and two games a year against them will be attractive.

"padre31 wrote:

With all of the contract bonuses coming due in March some unexpected players will be cut or traded to avoid paying them.

And I still think Adalious Thomas is on the radar.

I see teams making A LOT of trades they would not have if FA was anything close to normal.

I've looked up and down the FA list a number of times, and there is just nothing there. Hell, after Dansby, the best LB I could see is Indy's Gary Brackett, he's 29, 5'11" and 235, and Indy is working on re-signing him.

"MaddMatt wrote:

I see teams making A LOT of trades they would not have if FA was anything close to normal.

I've looked up and down the FA list a number of times, and there is just nothing there. Hell, after Dansby, the best LB I could see is Indy's Gary Brackett, he's 29, 5'11" and 235, and Indy is working on re-signing him.

Brackett is a 4-3 ILB.

And I disagree, I see a couple of players who can improve the Dolphins from day 1 available in Free Agency.

The problem is soo many phinfans are focused on "we need an ILB" that they overlook the issues at both outside linebacker slots and at NT and at Safety and on Special Teams.

"padre31 wrote:

Brackett is a 4-3 ILB.

And I disagree, I see a couple of players who can improve the Dolphins from day 1 available in Free Agency.

The problem is soo many phinfans are focused on "we need an ILB" that they overlook the issues at both outside linebacker slots and at NT and at Safety and on Special Teams.

You're preaching to the choir on OLB and NT. I've put up threads, and a number of posts saying the same.

FS and ILB are close. Based on late season play, I give Wilson the edge over Ayodele, although I would trade Bell and move Wilson over IF we could find an upgrade.

I disagree on ST's, other than a return guy. Bess is average, and Ginn is up and mostly down. Cobbs seems to have the potential but, has not shown it.

"padre31 wrote:

Brackett is a 4-3 ILB.

And I disagree, I see a couple of players who can improve the Dolphins from day 1 available in Free Agency.

The problem is soo many phinfans are focused on "we need an ILB" that they overlook the issues at both outside linebacker slots and at NT and at Safety and on Special Teams.

I know Brackett is a MLB in the 4-3. It is not a huge leap to adapt to a 3-4 on the inside. I am not touting Brackett, just saying what I see in FA.

Who are your picks?

"MaddMatt wrote:

You're preaching to the choir on OLB and NT. I've put up threads, and a number of posts saying the same.

Can I get an Amen! from the Congregation!

Seriously, anyone who does not think we could use a A Thomas or Vrabel or even Bantu Cain is not living in the "right now", we basically have no starting OLB's at the moment.

FS and ILB are close. Based on late season play, I give Wilson the edge over Ayodele, although I would trade Bell and move Wilson over IF we could find an upgrade.

Ayodele was a disaster at ILB, he had a good 08 season, in 09 he was meat for any Te who could run a sub 5.0 40, that Texans game was the last straw when even a backup Te is torching your ILB's you have a serious problem that must be fixed.

Eh, i'm mixed on Wilson, a part of me wonders if it was the scheme, a different part wonders if it was Wilson merely stealing money from the Dolphins, I'd like to see Clemons play more either way.

A player like Sean Jones would/should come fairly cheaply if we cut Wilson but want Veteran Depth at Safety.

I disagree on ST's, other than a return guy. Bess is average, and Ginn is up and mostly down. Cobbs seems to have the potential but, has not shown it.

I've got my eye on Grice Mullen and Sheets and Tristan Davis.

What I'm thinking of is the need for a leader, a ST ace, we don't have anyone like that and imho i'd take a run at Kaasim Osgood or David Tyree for that role.

"MaddMatt wrote:

I know Brackett is a MLB in the 4-3. It is not a huge leap to adapt to a 3-4 on the inside. I am not touting Brackett, just saying what I see in FA.

Who are your picks?

At ILB?

http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=65

There just is not much there MM..Matt Wilhelm could not buy a job in the NFL last yr, Antonio Pierce maybe, maybe not, fits what we do.

TBH, we either stick with what we have, or hope a Vet is cut, or draft someone because the pickings just are not there this year at ILB that is unless Ireland has his eyes on someone we simply could never know about, for example maybe Derrick Johnson is available cheaply?

I will say the teams we played in 09 offer the best chance to see some guys signed, that is what happened in the 09 offseason, we played the Raiders in 08 and signed Jake Grove for example.

"padre31 wrote:

Can I get an Amen! from the Congregation!

Seriously, anyone who does not think we could use a A Thomas or Vrabel or even Bantu Cain is not living in the "right now", we basically have no starting OLB's at the moment.

A post repeat- Mr Anderson will be the Matrix, and Moses will part the OL. An addition- Satan will be throwing snowballs at training camp in Miami.

What I'm thinking of is the need for a leader, a ST ace, we don't have anyone like that and imho i'd take a run at Kaasim Osgood or David Tyree for that role.

Jason Allen, if not cut, and Hilliard looked pretty good. I also expect Wake to be MUCH better.

"PhinsRock wrote:

We have so many holes to fill we MUST pick up at least one solid FA signing, either ILB (Dansby), NT (Wilfork) but I don't know of any others, the pickings sure seem slim!

I think we have no choice but to go all out for Dansby.

agree we need one solid, maybe two out of free-agency
however
disagree about all the holes we have to fill to compete
needs: ILB, NT, WR, maybe a FreeSafety & TE
could develop our FreeSafety & TE in-house
which would leave three positions to fill: ILB, NT & WR

not so bad :no: think about it
we will contend in 2010

"MaddMatt wrote:

Jason Allen, if not cut, and Hilliard looked pretty good. I also expect Wake to be MUCH better.

In regards to JAllen, imho he is in that handful of players who either step up in the preseason cycle or they will be gone, imho Ireland will only carry a player with potential for a certain period of time and then he will make room for the next player to develop.

Like Nate Ness who is on the practice squad, he runs 4.3 40's works cheaper and played a bit in 09, if Allen does not show increased competence and becomes a threat to be at least the nickel Cb, why keep him around if Ness is ready to take his spot?

I think we will see that implemented this offseason the same as it was in 08.

"the 23rd wrote:

agree we need one solid, maybe two out of free-agency
however
disagree about all the holes we have to fill to compete
needs: ILB, NT, WR, maybe a FreeSafety & TE
could develop our FreeSafety & TE in-house
which would leave three positions to fill: ILB, NT & WR

not so bad :no: think about it
we will contend in 2010

And who are your starting OLB's?

"padre31 wrote:

In regards to JAllen, imho he is in that handful of players who either step up in the preseason cycle or they will be gone, imho Ireland will only carry a player with potential for a certain period of time and then he will make room for the next player to develop.

Like Nate Ness who is on the practice squad, he runs 4.3 40's works cheaper and played a bit in 09, if Allen does not show increased competence and becomes a threat to be at least the nickel Cb, why keep him around if Ness is ready to take his spot?

I think we will see that implemented this offseason the same as it was in 08.

I expect Jason Allen to be cut. This is not good news for Ginn. There will be no longer a partial buffer on 1st round picks not doing well with Miami's "finest fans."

Not familiar with Ness, aside from FBI fame. :)

jason taylor will stick & start w/ cameron wake,
back-up & rotation: moses, anderson & walden
front office would never unload taylor & porter
the same season, simply not going to happen
we're set @ OLB, it's the middle that has to be fixed

"the 23rd wrote:

jason taylor will stick & start w/ cameron wake backed up by moses & anderson

JT believes he will be a last resort if the team really needs him. No one from the team has even contacted him, or his agent. This was in the Herald a month or so ago. Nothing has changed.

Wake has yet to play LB.