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Experts Challenge: Break Down: BECK

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Dec 20, 2007.

  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I have been reading posts from alot of people regarding whether or not John Beck has what it takes to be the future QB of the Miami Dolphins. Some analysts have even gone so far as to say that Miami is kidding themselves if they think they have a QB on our roster. Others, such as Chris Mortensen have stated that many in the league are very high on John Beck.

    So...calling all experts...heres your chance to chime in on the Beck issue. But...I would like your response to be backed up by some sort of evidence...either by breaking down some of his starts...some bad decisions he has made..or specific good decisions he has made. I would like to hear from some of Fin Heavens great analysts on this...because we have some extraordinary posters right here in our midsts.

    Please...if you dont have anything of real value to add other than..."Well, I got a feeling about this kid" (Which is my response by the way...so I wont be posting to much...:) ) Just take advantage of the insight some of the others have to offer. Also, please try and stay on topic. Dont turn this into a sounding board for why we should draft Matt Ryan...or EEEK! McFadden...(hes a RB. Not even a QB. Doesnt belong in this thread)

    Thanks in advance for taking part...
     
  2. Betters75

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    Can't give you stats, but looks good to me. Wish he was a few years younger, more time to grow?
     
  3. Milkmoney21

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    i do wish he was younger cause hes probabbly done in 8 years but yea from what i see is potiental too early to tell though.
     
  4. adamprez2003

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    Tough to say given the circumstances he's played under. I didnt have a chance to scout him in college so all I'll go off is what Ive seen so far

    Positives:

    1) Supposedly a student of the game. Seemed to at least be playing like he knew what he wanted to do in the first two games. Alot of times he guessed wrong about what the defense was going to do but that's typical of a rookie

    2) Periodically displayed nice touch and accuracy on intermediate throws. Dont know if he can be consistent though

    3) Dont know if its typical rookie or whether its his game but seemed to prefer to play it safe in the first four games. Would lock in on main receiver, if he was covered would automatically check down to the safety valve

    4) so far can take a hit and bounce up. He's gotten walloped a few times

    5) very good mobility. looked like jeff garcia a little

    6) Seems like he has a decent arm strength wise. Doesnt have a cannon but looks alright


    Negatives:

    1) Tiny. That is a tiny 6'2". I think he's closer to 6'1". Someone needs to take him to KFC because he needs to add some bulk. He will always have trouble with batted balls

    2) So far the accuracy is all over the place. One throw very nice, next three over underthrows. Could be rookie jitters, could be a future problem

    3) Doesnt seem to have any zip on his sideline passes. Seems like he half lobs it to the sideline. I dont know if that's because he wants to be accurate or not but that will lead to ints returned for TDs and will keep his receivers from gaining any YAC since its giving the DB an extra step to recover

    4) Zero downfield accuracy so far of the long variety

    5) seems to gun it on short routes and put touch on it on intermediate routes. Needs to do just the reverse. Hopefully rookie nerves

    6) Have yet to see one 15 yd out pass thrown with the zip required. In my book that is the make or break pass I look for a QB to make

    7) So far looks like he gets rattled easy but obviously he's a rookie so its premature to say that is part of his makeup

    8) Due to his physical makeup I will predict that he will always have trouble holding onto the ball when he gets blindsided or just hit hard. I think this will be a lifelong flaw
     
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  5. Kdawg954

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    I think its a joke that analysts have the nerve to give up on this kid already. Yea he looked bad, especially in his final 2 games. And yea he didn't leave Miami to a offensive TD in over 3 games (yea not passing, but offensive as a whole).

    But lets see here, he had NO running back . . . I mean yea Chatman showed a little this year, but Beck needs a guy who doesn't completely suck in the pass protection game and can run a decent route . . . . this is not Chatman.

    Then he was thrown to the wolves . . . I mean at Philly, at Pitt, at Buffalo and home vs. the Jets . . . . that isn't the easiest schedule to deal with. I think Cam choosing him over Cleo has something to do with it as well . . . maybe the team wasn't going 100% . . . they felt betrayed, and they didn't put out a full effort to help Beck out.

    What bothered me the most about him is the fact that the ball keeps slipping out of his hand . . . and he isn't very tall, so he will forever have problems with batted passes and seeing over the line. Also he failed to recognize where the pressure was comming from SEVERAL times, and Cam pulling him was for his own safety because Buffalo was gonna kill him.

    With all that being said, I couldn't judge him based on what I saw . . . its not the right circumstances. He has NICE velocity on his passes and he showed tremendous composure his first 2 games . . . he was fairly accurate when he had time, but when he gets full confidence . . . he will be even more accurate. I know people wanna throw him back in there to see if we need to draft a QB . . . and I can see him starting against Cincy . . . now that the win is on the record (not New England) . . . . but he could stink it up against the Bengals, and IMO it still wont be enough to judge . . . we wont be able to get a full read on Beck until next year.

    I dunno, Matt Ryan sure is a much more sexier QB . . . . better arm, ideal size . . . but we just can't afford to throw ANOTHER 2nd round pick (Beck) away on a QB (unless we know that Ryan is the next Carson Palmer/Peyton Manning). However w/ Ryan I think I would feel MUCH more comfortable than I do now with the idea of having our QB of the future on this team.

    In the end, its impossible to predict the future for Beck . . . . I mean Parcells could come in, clean house and they draft a QB who fits the new guys expectations . . . but I wouldn't give up on Beck just yet . . . . we have seen the flashes in the preseason, its all gotta come together for him, and I still think that it will.
     
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  6. houtz

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    I'm nowhere near an "expert" but here are my thoughts. Keep in mind I'm from PA and only got to watch his first two starts. So I'm basing EVERYTHING off of those two starts


    Positives:

    - Great Pocket presence. He didn't get sacked once against the Eagles and they sure had their chance. He moved around nice and felt where the pressure was coming from and was able to step up.

    - Great Mobility. Once again back to the Philadelphia game. He wasn't scared to bring the ball down and run for the first down. I recall him putting his head down and pushing for the extra yard. Great stuff.

    - Went through progressions nicely. I see some people criticizing him on this aspect of the game and I feel the complete opposite. In both the Philly game and the Pittsburgh game , he went through his progressions nicely. If his primary receiver wasn't open he'd check down and look for the next guy, and so on and so forth.

    - Can take a hit. He got knocked on his *** multiple times in both games. But bounced right back up like nothing ever happened. Definitely a good thing.

    - Calm and Poised: He was exactly that, calm and poised in the huddle. Even with the weather conditions in both games and the hostile environment in Philly he still kept his calm and did everything that was asked of him.

    - Accurate. He's a very accurate quarterback. At times he can get a little erratic and throw a bad pass but from what I saw the ball was delivered in the right spot.

    -Preparation. From what it sounds like his preparation is great. First thing he did the night after the Jets game was go home and watch the film. That's remarkable for a rookie quarterback to be that dedicated.

    Negatives

    - Seems to be unable to bounce back when things go wrong. When it rains it pours they say and that's exactly what seems to happen. Needs to work on bouncing back when things go wrong.

    - Some of his passes seem to be a little high at times. Once again I believe it's rookie nerves but it's something to look for next season.

    - Lack of production. He hasn't lead us to a scoring drive at all in his 4 starts. Although many people fail to mention that he drove us down to the Eagles' one yard line. His TE dropped an easy touchdown pass in the back of the endzone on third down and on fourth we all know the boneheaded 11 yard loss to Chatman. This has more to do with his supporting cast then him I believe.

    - His size is a bit scary. I see him drop balls from just stepping up in the pocket. I suppose it has to do with his tiny little hands. Hopefully this doesn't hurt him to much.


    It's way to early to tell if Beck is the future of this franchise. I believe like myself many of us just hope and pray that he can be. We past on Quinn and to be completely honest It'd hurt to much to pass on Ryan and later on find out Beck isn't the answer. I believe Parcells will do whatever is best for the team. Weather that be draft a quarterback or pass on one, that's up to him.

    GO PHINS:ffic:
     
  7. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    It's only been 4 games for Beck, but the things I've seen have me a bit worried. Granted, there can be some reasoning behind some of his struggles: Inexperienced group of receivers, playing without a top notch back, and having to learn on the fly.

    The good things about John Beck is that he remains poised for the most part, in spite of tough situations. He doesn't seem to get down on himself and doesn't get rattled. He's shown some decent accuracy on short to intermediate routes but is inconsistent and the ball lacks zip, particularly on the outside throws -where CBs love soft toss. (Ask Jay Fiedler). There isn't a lot to say about good things because two of his games were against two quality defenses in very bad field conditions, so it was hard to judge him by those two games. In the game against the Jets and Bills, he was rough - missing receivers, throwing behind them, misreading the defenses, and guessing wrong on option routes. Obviously, these are some things that can be corrected over time. But how much time does he have?

    A major problem I see is that Beck has the lowest delivery point I think I've ever saw. And this presents multiple issues. ONE: The defensive linemen can get their hands on his passes much easier. Two: The flaw of the low deliver dramatically decreases ball velocity which is enormously important given the small window of opportunity to stick a pass to a receiver with the speed of defensive players at this level breaking on the ball. To compound this, he doesn't step hard into his passes. This is another correctable problem - but again, how long does he have to correct it? **On a side note: I would have thought Cameron, being a "QB Guru" would have worked really hard on these issues with Beck.**

    Something that seemed to get increasingly worse for Beck in his four games was throwing off his back foot. This goes back to him not stepping forward into his passes. I think this is a result of rushing things. He needs to improve his footwork and set properly before he throws and give routes time to develop. Even when he was getting blitzed, he had more time than he thought. But this is understandable given his lack of experience and adapting to the speed at this level.

    All in all, I haven't been very impressed with Beck. BUT, it's hard to pass fair judgement on him given the number of variables that can be attributed to his troubles. But typically, if a QB has "it" it's normally easy to see because,even against tough circumstances, some of the potential flashes. I didn't see anything from Beck that made me think this could be our guy. It would be wishful thinking at this point, IMO. In four games with him at QB, we scored zero touchdowns. That speaks pretty loudly as well. We might have ourselves a potentially good back up QB, but given his age and the flaws I've seen with him, I just don't see where there is time to develop him into a true, quality NFL starting QB. Believe me, I had high hopes for Beck. I was on his bandwagon from the get go. But I've haven't seen anything, overall, that really impresses me.
     
  8. VanDolPhan

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    Hard to judge a guy when he's playing with a backup RB (and even a backup backup), rookie WR, 2nd year WR, over the hill WR, no true starting TE and an OL that is shaky in pass protection.

    We will know more in training camp next year when he gets starting reps. Right now the best thing to do is make sure that either Cleo is ready in case he falters (which means improving upon his last game) or get a known quantity veteran QB just in case.
     
  9. Etuoo33

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    One thing for sure, Beck didn't get a 'fair' shot, with the OL starting to fade, the loss of R. Brown and fire sale (Chambers-I like this deal). One factor that has to be considered, in the NFL DC's know how to rattle a rookie, and with no down field threat and no running game per-se, they put 8 or 9 guys in the box and threw the kitchen sink at him, and we couldn't give anything like a fair shot at success (protection).
     
  10. thedayafter

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    My POV: I don't see how anuyone can "judge" Beck at this time... and here's why.

    Cam put the guy on the scout team for 7 weeks.. meaning... he go ZERO reps in the offense...

    Cam failed to bring in a 3rd QB for 3 weeks after TG went down...

    Cam failed to make adjustments to his developmental plan for Beck...

    Cam failed to hold practices for Beck during the bye week... and then split reps with Lemon when they did practice....

    Once Cam realized Lemon was faltering he failed to give Beck some protected series in games once he had been elevated to the #2 spot.... AT HOME.

    Cam threw Beck to the wolves ... on the road in the most hostile environments... handcuffed to a ultra conservative gameplan that had NO running attack...

    Cam the QB guru is responsible for Becks performance... because he didn't put the guy in situations to succeed..

    My POV on Beck... tough smart guy... quick release... good feet... needs time...
     
  11. Jsbaugh

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    Thats the way I see it.

    Everyone wanted Beck to come in and save the day, but in the end it was obvious how bad this team was from top to bottom. I can understand why Cam put him in (pressure from Fans/media/Lemon struggling), but in the end it did more harm than good.
    If anyone followed Becks career in college then you know he has everything it takes to be a good QB, but he is going to need protection and talent around him to do it. If the Fins cant do that then get a QB that can run for his life.
     
  12. Dolphins77

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    It's a little too early to draw up an accurate analysis of Beck in three starts:

    one start of those being (arguably) the worst playing conditions of the 08 season.
    one start against a blitz happy Bills defense looking for short passes.
    all three starts on a short leash with one or two long yardage passes.

    I think he has promise and we should keep him. He has proven to be accurate, and has a strong arm. We don't need the best quarterback in the NFL to win ball games. We just need a guy who can execute the plays called and minimize turnovers. Shoot, look at Rex Grossman, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson. All started in Superbowls yet I wouldn't trade for any of them. They could get the job done because they had throws they could make and a defense that could stop teams. They also had strong running games. I say we keep Beck and look toward straightening out our defense.
     
  13. mmikel30

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    parcels will get it right beck is not the future it was another squandered second round pick but we want to believe he will be good etc. in this league you need a big strong quarterback not a lil skinny beck. ask ty detmer his hero.
     
  14. Awsi Dooger

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    The low delivery point is easily the worst flaw with Beck. Along with passes batted down and lessened velocity, it also limits the variety of loft on his passes. Classic over the top throwers have a much easier time adjusting to situation, while the sideways guys spend so much energy in a lateral framework it's damn near impossible to soften the approach and loop the ball when required. But one positive about Beck is he seems to use lower release point on the downfield throws, and not on the short ones that require more touch. Still, it's far from ideal.

    Golfers can relate to this. If you've got a textbook swing it's relatively easy to alter height of your shots based on ball positioning and adjusting your follow through, etc. Tiger can play any shot. But someone like Trevino with the flat swing was severely limited in getting the ball airborne on courses like Augusta which reward height. It's the same principle, angle of attack. The low delivery guys are inevitably line drive throwers.
     
  15. Jsbaugh

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    The low delivery point on Beck has nothing to do with velocity. Beck was 2nd in the combine behind Russell in terms of velocity and as I recall had the quickest release. In the 3 games he played I think I counted maybe 2 passes that were batted at the line. As you said he uses the lower delivery on longer passes which in college he was very accurate in doing.
    If anyone doubts his arm strength then just go look at the youtube videos on him.
     
  16. Kdawg954

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    Yea don't knock his arm strength . . . the kid has a CANNON, I mean if he starts I wouldn't hesitate to say he ranks in the upper half of starting QB's in arm strength. Seriously, Beck just was uncomfortable and it made him look bad . . . he couldn't handle the pressure . . . its different, he hasn't seen it like that before and he needs to adjust.

    I am by no means sold on Beck . . . I'm actually worried, but I'm not foolish enough to call him a bust, I haven't seen enough . . . I wanna see more.
     
  17. my 2 cents

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    Were we talking about John Beck of the Dolphins?

    He has terrible pocket presence all the way back to the AS game last year as far as I have seen.

    He went thru his progressions and threw the ball away, I'll give you that but there should be an under route that is available on most plays.

    He sure took some hits and then got up and did something either benign or stupid usually...to me that is not poise but rather being unnerved and or intimidated.

    Accurate? The John Beck is saw was not at all accurate.

    On top of this his reputed great arm looks to be at the VERY VERY best average, and that is a stretch.

    The guy is in over his head and does not have the tools to become even a good NFL QB. Great guy, studies hard, smart, will eventually know the game and make a great coach, tough, resiliant, moves around OK,great interview, and a guy you want to succeed. He also has a limited arm, small stature, poor field awareness, bad mechanics, is intimidated by the NFL, and generally in way over his head. He has all the intangibles that cannot be improved on, it is the tangible arm strength, size, etc. that are what they are, and he cannot improve those..it is a tools issue, not an effort or Ryan Leaf issue....IMHO. Great guy though and I hope like hell I am wrong...but seriously doubt I am.
     
  18. azstryker

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    Bingo! He's a likeable guy who will try hader than most. However he is just too limited in the categories that matter. Accuracy isn't something you can teach, ask Jay Fiedler. Pocket awareness is a feel thing too. You either have it or you don't. Face it patience preachers, he's Jason Garrett with a slightly better arm.

    Parcells will see this on the first day and hopefully rectify the situation.
     
  19. SuperMarksBros.

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    guys like manning, elway, bledsoe, and aikman went through brutal stretches trying to run their respective offenses as rookies...they looked absolutely pathetic and lost. can we give the guy a break?
     
  20. my 2 cents

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    SMB, I am OK with a guy, particularly Beck appearing lost, hell he is a rookie. I have tried to be clear on a few posts...it is the tools that i do not see the worry me. I totally understand a rookie looking lost and letting a ball slip out of his SMALL hands while being pressured,,,it will happen to more rookie QB's..I am OK with it.

    I READ about this great arm, I just do not see it in a game, and I don't give a rats butt about a you tube video or that he throw a ball 50 yards sitting on his ***. I only go by what I see, and I wish the Old FH were up so you could read my posts going all the way back to last year AS game. He does not have good pocket awareness, he does not have game "feel", he is not accurate, he is slight of build, and he DOES NOT have a strong arm. People can feel free to disagree but just because you say something long enough loud enough does not make it so.

    I called Jason Allen when people were ripping him to shreads. The guy did not play bad and had very correctable flaws, but he showed he had "tools". I was read the riot act because I did not see the same things that I had read about...I do not see practices so I had to do what I do...revert to what I see. I am on the reciord with Jason Allen.

    I am also on the record for another personnel matter, right or wrong we do not know yet, but I want to put my strongest opinions out there...right or wrong. I think Kyle Eckel was by far the superior player to Reagan Mauia. He moves better, leads better and hits a moving target better because he has more "tools" than RM. I stated it then and I state it again now...go back and look at Eckels lead block on Cobbs 4thQ TD run in PS...it was textbook and showed exactly that Eckel has the ability if not the consistency to make that play. He also has better hands and AA...SO

    I am on the record right or wrong for:
    John Beck is at best an average NFL QB that simply does not have the tools.
    Jason Allen can play.
    Kyle Eckel is better than Reagan Mauia

    And for grins:
    Tuff Harris has ability and will be a 6-8 year NFL guy.
    Based on what I saw in College and NFLE, Casey Bramlett has 'tools"
    Kelvin Smith is too limited in his mobility to be a LB.
    Abe Wright has "tools"
    Paul Solai will continue to be Paul Solai,,looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

    Those are not gospel and just my opinions but I am confident in my knowledge of FB and for seeing "tools"....whether or not those guys get opportunities depends on circumstance. In my humble opinion we have taken guys with reputations and not given equal opportunity to guys with lesser pedigrees, which is understandable given investment value...but, some of these guys we get excited about performance's are like being the skinnest girl at a fat farm....there ain't much there to compare too...WE LACK TALENT AND TRY TO MAKE POSTERS BELIEVE TALENT IS THERE WHEN IT IS NOT!!!!

    We are back to referencing the book "Exuses made easy by Olindo Mare and Uwe von Schankmann, edited by Dave Wannstach.....IMHO ONLY....
     
  21. my 2 cents

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    My sapologies VT for going off subject on my prior post....not hi jacking...sorry.....
     
  22. padre31

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    Alright, I'm no expert, but I will give my .02 cents about J Beck.

    1. He played better under the Ubber Conservative game plan, TO's were minimized, mistakes were minimized, and he showed hsi strengths Toughness, and Desire to play well.

    He was being pwned during the Pittsburgh game, planted like an ear of corn etc.

    But he played through it, and we easily could have won that game but Cam refused to try the 45yd fg after the first miss by Feeley..."cough" "cough".

    Now we come to the Bills game, Beck's real weakness showed up, it isn't arm strength, it's not toughness, it is a lack of ability in pre snap reads and then an athletic failure to scramble to keep plays alive.

    INOW Beck was not able to "See it coming" and even when a play broke down, he was stuck in "read read read" mode.

    That is an element of inexperience IMO, and the lack of a credible running game or "safety blanket" receiver like a Tony Nathan, a guy who just can get open and can catch the dump off passes.

    Give John Beck some time, and a running game, and his numbers will improve.

    3 games in bad weather then a complete exposure of a rookies inability to deal with a blitz does not make John Beck a bust at all, and no position on the field has the ability to improve as rapidly as the QB position, literally one big game and a QB can vault in Confidence and most importantly, the ability to inspire Teammates.

    Lemon entered the game and the Blitz's stopped....
     
  23. Jsbaugh

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    So your basing your expert opinion on 3 football games, which two of them were in bad weather, with one of them probably the worst conditions of all time?
    You obviously never saw the 70% completion percentage in college or 70 yard bombs that he tossed. Don't come on here and spout off like you have a clue what your talking about. Cam took Beck for accuracy and arm strength, which if he ever gets any talent around him, then you might see it.
     
  24. Jsbaugh

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    Padre the Bills game sacks were a complete breakdown of the O line and no scheme to pick up the blitz. Beck takes 2 steps back and is sacked which isnt enough time to even dump the ball off. Im sure he saw the Blitz coming, but not much you can do when the guys is in your face after a 3 step drop. I have watched that game a couple of times on my DVR along with most of the Fins games.
    After that game I thought it was time for Lemon to come back in as he can scramble better and Cams lack of play calling was killing Beck.
    Beck needs an O line in front of him to give him time. If he has the time there is no doubt he will complete the pass.
     
  25. padre31

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    There were no audibles? He was sacked much more then the one 3 step sack, I think that really rattled him, that and a lack of attention to detail in the sense that Cleo Lemon was also dropping balls, the Bills QB didn't drop a ball..



    Every with half a brain knew that Beck was going to blitzed, yet when they did, Beck didn't handle it well, Cleo did, but he still stunk that game...

    The point is, what happens when things aren't perfect, how does Beck react?

    So far not so good, but he is a Rook QB, as with Jason Allen so with John Beck, you have to play him for him to improve.
     
  26. Hugo Guzman

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    Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here goes:

    If Bill Parcells thinks he's got what it takes, then so do I.
     
  27. my 2 cents

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    No I am basing my opinion on the 6-8 times I saw John Beck play in College, the AS game last year, this PS, and the games he played in the RS. I READ about his 70% completion ratio just like I READ about Chris Wienke 705 completion percentage at FSU, I did however see his tools in those games. ...and I have no higher opinion of Wienke.

    This is a forum and I quite clearly stated it is my opinion and since it is a forum and the original poster solicited opinions and I clearly indicated it was my opinion, and since I played 3 years CF at D-1 level ...as a QB, and I know the game and by the way do have a CLUE...I will continue to voice my opinion when another poster asks for opinions.

    As for my spouting off, you are obviously defensive about your own opinions of John Beck which I can understand, I hope you are right we are all Fin fans for the most part, your semantics could use a little work but since we have never had a beef I will give that one a pass.

    As you stated 'maybe I will see his arm strength someday', but as I state clearly and you allude to it with that statement, neither of us have seen it yet. Personally I do not go off stats or what I read when answering another posters request for opinions on a guys abilities....you evaluate and answer based on whatever you would like you would like, but I think if someone asks for an opinion they would want someones opinion on what they see rather than what they can read in the paper or on a stat sheet...but hey that's just my opinion..

    Hey I hope RM and CC are right about the guy but we can site numerous examples of incorrect evaluations by NFL GMS's at the QB position.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    i don't know about beck yet but i do know for a fact that Bill Parcells hates short small quarterbacks, he's been on the record saying that he would never draft or sign a qb under 6'4, his explanation was classic, '' because its hard to throw the ball when you can't see where you need to throw the ball
     
  29. djphinfan

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    a post that definately has merit
     
  30. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member


    In the end...thats all that matters.
     
  31. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    The thing is he shouldnt have to scramble all the time.
    He's got quickness as shown in the Philly game the thing is that THE OL MUST PROTECT THE QUARTERBACK. THEY MUST LEARN HOW TO PICK UP A BLITZ.
     
  32. padre31

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    Surprisingly, NFL QB's are still expected to make plays even when blocking schemes fail, Lemon came into the same situation, instead of taking the sack, he rolled right and threw a 50 yd pass to Ginn, and that is just Cleo Lemon...
     
  33. pags77

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    Too early to tell with Beck,
    1.Had a terrible O-line in pass protection, especially at picking up blitzes
    2.Had no real playmakers to aid him
    3.Often had max pass protection, leaving only 2-3 receivers in routes
    4.Showed great ball protection in first 2 starts, then in Jet's game he knew he had to make plays to get the offense in the end zone and after he was picked by Kerry Rhoades, who goaded the rookie into thinking he had an open receiver , his confidence was shot and the turnovers came fast and furious.


    We will need a veteran presence to have as a safety net, Trent Green? and I say Parcells and the GM look for another QB. This is without question THE most important position on a football team.
     
  34. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i think beck can be a good starter, its just that he was kind of thrown to the wolves and was forced to fend for himself

    i would like to see beck get a shot with ronnie back and with time to really get into the flow of the offense
     

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