Exotic blitzes help Dolphins' defense dominate scrimmage http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...-main-0808-20100807,0,6846736.story?track=rss
I'm beginning to suspect we will open the season with Koa Misi as the Will and Ike Francis as the Sam, with Cam Wake seeing heavy rotation into games as a hand on the ground DE. That would give the OLB/DE corps the best of both worlds, good run stopping ability, athleticism without missing a pass rush as I also suspect the Dline will be asked to penetrate more than read and react.
I wanted Sean Lee from Penn State but I was happy with Koa. He brings a lot to the game. We have double the talent that we had only a few months ago.
Excellent read, thanks for the link. Nolan's aggressive style of D and exotic blitz packages are what I believe will make up for the loss of Porter and Jason Who?, really expecting Cam Wake to step up his game this season ala Dumerville.
I completely disagree. Wake has no business playing DE w/ his hand on the ground in a 34... unless it's a 3rd and long type situation, in which case we probably won't be in a 34 formation anyway.
FN...Nolan doesn't run a staid, Pasqualoni style "3-4"..we will only be in the traditional 3-4 30% of the time per Channing Crowder...think 2-4-5's and 4-2-5's and 5-2-4's all manner of exotic fronts.
Don't think of a typical 3-4 DE. Check out the formations, and or chekc into alen's threads regarding Nolan's formations etc. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZAhaCPKYyc"]YouTube- Universaldraft Presents - Denver Defense under Mike Nolan in 2009_xvid.avi‎[/ame]
Oh, I get that. But even in a 1 gap scheme, I dont want Wake playing that far inside. He needs to be on the edge, regardless whether he is standing up or has his hand on the ground.
great now we will hear the argument that this is an offensive driven league and we are too loaded on defense
It seemed like every screen pass in this video sprung a big gain. Is this something we should be worried about this season? Brings back memories of the Bills screen passing all over us with Thurman in the early 90's.
Broncos don't have the team speed on defense we have now, Dawkins and Jones didn't make many mistakes, but they also had little speed to go inside out with, Clemons and YBell can run really well as well as Dansby and Misi etc.
I'm hoping you're right and our defense is just overall more talented and faster. But I'm still worried these exotic blitzes will open up opposing screen games.
You think the DEs in our 34 are going to play the 7 tech? With just one NT in the middle, and a penetrating NT at that? I cant see that. You'd have zero shot at stopping any kind of run play...
No, if Wake drops down to end, I'm saying he's going to line up wider than your typical end. Not at 7 technique. Go look at the Ravens powerpoint and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Oh, so you are referring to 4 men with their hands on the ground, with Wake split out wide? I'm not sure what powerpoint you are referring to?
Nah, 2 DT's right on the G/C/G box, and Wake can line up wide, or right over the Guard, the Dline mismatches the Oline via formation not numbers. It really is creative FN, though the NFL knows it, the key then becomes the quality of players in the scheme.
From my thread - 3RD & 8 Chargers Personnel - 4 WR's (3x1), Singleback. LE (Dumervil) - wide open five technique with hand in dirt. Lined up wider than typical 5. NT - 1 technique. RE - 3 technique. WOLB - 5 technique. From the power point; Key the weak side end.
Yea, its really just a widened 5 tech. I know Nolan ran a lot of 2-4 fronts in Denver last year, but I think we might see a lot more 30 stack from him this year. He has a lot more to work with a long the DL.
Really having trouble following you. Are you talking about Wake standing up or with his hand on the ground? He should NOT be lined up right over the guard w/ his hand on the ground... not ever. Standing up? Eh. Still not thrilled about that. I dont want him inside the Tackles... keep him on the edge...
Alen, as you look at that picture, who do you see as the 4 down linemen? For me: Wake Grant Starks Odrick? And I have seen Dumervil lined up tight to the NT at times.
Standing up or with a hand on the ground, you'll see both. The d-lineman on his side will most likely be playing a 3 technique. Wake will be outside of the tackle.
I've seen that both ways, and imho it makes sense as the NT can either penetrate or run a stunt with Wake, Cam is so darn fast that he can blow by a G the way he does a tackle, he has done so at least twice so far in TC. And I'd like to see Ikaika or McCoy in that role as well, Chris McCoy has a good burst, so does Ike, but Francis has enough size that a push from a G should not knock him off his rush... I watched the Browns destroy the Steelers using Roth on stunts into the middle of the Oline..the Steelers Center could not block him he just destroyed the G/C/G box.
Weak side - Wake NT - Starks DT - Odrick Strong side - Misi - He wouldn't shock me here, in a Robert Mathis role. Undersized but strong enough and quick first step.
Interesting formation, w/ no DL in between the 2 Guards? Obviously you can only run that when in obvious passing downs, b/c you'd get ran all over otherwise. Having trouble following the bolded though. Where is there a 1tech in that picture? I'm seeing two 3techs, a 5tech on the left side, and a 5 or 7 tech on the right side (guy on the right end of the DL looks like he's lined up outside an imaginary TE, putting him at the 7tech?). Are you guys talking about putting Wake at the right 3tech in that picture? Or the wide end on the right in the 5/7tech? If you're talking about the wide end at the 5/7tech... great. If you are talking about him playing more inside... absolutely not.
No, don't key anything but the weak side end in the picture. What I posted from my thread is not what's pictured. I was using that picture to show you an example of a wide open end. Its why I said key the weak side end.
Oh, I can definitely see him playing wide end out there at the 7tech. That would suit him very well...
I want to see what Ikaika Francis can do as a passrusher before I can really get a handle on who that strongside rusher could be, if Ike can manage it, Nolan would have supreme package flexibility. 6'5 265 OLB's who can play anywhere on Dline (short term) and OLB, are hard to find. I could be wrong, but don't the Colts tend to use 270ish pd DT's at times? That is a part of the reason why I'm psyched on Akaika..he would allow Misi to play anywhere in those situations, he can drop back into coverage, or put a hand on the ground and bump Ike over to DT in a 5 man Dline.
That picture is an obvious passing situation. Wake might have his hand on the ground in obvious passing situations as a DE. That's it. We will see many different looks....3-4, 4DL nickel, 3DL nickel, 2-4-5, etc. But it will be mainly 3-4. And I have a feeling Wake will play the left side most of the time and Misi the right side. I think it will turn out to be a very surprising tandem. Went to the scrimmage on Saturday and both are really good. Misi is a steal.
