Early first round Phins' picks from some pundits:

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Tannehill has zero trade value.

:huh:

"Walter wrote:

First off I consider you and have for a long time one of the best opinionators on the web. To the point of feeling somewhat uneasy knowing I've gone on instincts for 50 years and haven't put in the time and effort you obviously put into it, (greatly appreciated for many years).

Maybe no deer in the headlights and "the smartest guy in the room", is not that reassuring . Considering Post game reactions, handling of players, preparation of players, (more penalties than you can count and not being fixed, game after game) to begin with, just don't see a person I feel has a pulse at times of knowing what is happening to him and a beginner learning his new craft (position). Give him a D so far....
His less of a value with the OL if true will be his downfall (as already seen) and if he really thinks their value is so minimal he deserves to go damn Now....
Put the load on RT still not knowing what He is, and with a half azz OL doesn't seem to be the knowledge of Head coaching so called "wonderboy" though I do say there are reasons to wonder

Mark my words my friend: I'm telling you now, No MAJOR quality upgrade of the OL (2-3 guys) and we are not going anywhere no matter who else we pick up in FA, whether a pro bowl WR, TE, LB or even a Tom Brady. Its so clear in my mind that it amazes me the lack of response to upgrading OL with the Quality available out there NOW
Damn I'm just a middle road Dolfin fan for about 50 years and don't claim to be the expert but to neglect the OL again not only will be disastrous but just out right stupid and after finally getting the handle on an organization of incompetence, stupid is another level and I'm done if thats the level we have to be exposed to. Well I hope I'm done but the addiction is pretty strong I've been discovering the last 5 years.

Very kind of you, Walter. Much appreciated.

Like I said, don't underestimate the guy. At all. He handles the players very well. They love playing for him. They know exactly what's required of them. The penalties are an issue and he and the coaching staff are absolutely partly to blame. But the players shoulder an awful lot of that burden. I think it's harsh to give him a D given everything that's happened. He turned a bad team into a playoff team with an incredible will and attitude, DESPITE losing their quarterback. The way that team rallied around Gase after they went 0-4 should tell you an awful lot.

Last year was a similar case. You lose your franchise passer in the summer. What else can you do? I don't blame him for reaching out to Cutler. At all. Miami finished the season better off than they would have been should Matt Moore have started. But the bottom line is that he's not going anywhere. He's very well liked by players and by management and beloved by Ross. Has he had some bumps? Of course He's also had his franchise passer for less than a third of two seasons. He dealt correctly with a huge miscreant in Jay Ajayi - don't get me started on that. The very last thing this team needs is for Gase to go anywhere. Trust me.

He's also hamstrung by poor front office decisions which don't help his cause. And remember, who's REALLY neglecting the OL? They have three first rounders on there. That's not neglect.

"Boomer wrote:

Very kind of you, Walter. Much appreciated.

Like I said, don't underestimate the guy. At all. He handles the players very well. They love playing for him. They know exactly what's required of them. The penalties are an issue and he and the coaching staff are absolutely partly to blame. But the players shoulder an awful lot of that burden. I think it's harsh to give him a D given everything that's happened. He turned a bad team into a playoff team with an incredible will and attitude, DESPITE losing their quarterback. The way that team rallied around Gase after they went 0-4 should tell you an awful lot.

Last year was a similar case. You lose your franchise passer in the summer. What else can you do? I don't blame him for reaching out to Cutler. At all. Miami finished the season better off than they would have been should Matt Moore have started. But the bottom line is that he's not going anywhere. He's very well liked by players and by management and beloved by Ross. Has he had some bumps? Of course He's also had his franchise passer for less than a third of two seasons. He dealt correctly with a huge miscreant in Jay Ajayi - don't get me started on that. The very last thing this team needs is for Gase to go anywhere. Trust me.

He's also hamstrung by poor front office decisions which don't help his cause. And remember, who's REALLY neglecting the OL? They have three first rounders on there. That's not neglect.

Are you sure about your comment in bold? From outside looking in it seemed like there was a ton of frustration because players could not get on the same page as the coaching staff. Did the players really know exactly what Gase wanted and chose not to give it to him? Cause that's not a ringing endorsement of them loving to play for him. I like Gase and have high hopes he will get better, but the truth is, he does NEED to get better.

It’s utterly amazing to me how so many folks here are judging Tannehill based on Cutler’s disappointing season last year

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

It’s utterly amazing to me how so many folks here are judging Tannehill based on Cutler’s disappointing season last year

Blind hatred usually makes a person blind to everything.

"Boomer wrote:

Very kind of you, Walter. Much appreciated.

Like I said, don't underestimate the guy. At all. He handles the players very well. They love playing for him. They know exactly what's required of them. The penalties are an issue and he and the coaching staff are absolutely partly to blame. But the players shoulder an awful lot of that burden. I think it's harsh to give him a D given everything that's happened. He turned a bad team into a playoff team with an incredible will and attitude, DESPITE losing their quarterback. The way that team rallied around Gase after they went 0-4 should tell you an awful lot.

Last year was a similar case. You lose your franchise passer in the summer. What else can you do? I don't blame him for reaching out to Cutler. At all. Miami finished the season better off than they would have been should Matt Moore have started. But the bottom line is that he's not going anywhere. He's very well liked by players and by management and beloved by Ross. Has he had some bumps? Of course He's also had his franchise passer for less than a third of two seasons. He dealt correctly with a huge miscreant in Jay Ajayi - don't get me started on that. The very last thing this team needs is for Gase to go anywhere. Trust me.

He's also hamstrung by poor front office decisions which don't help his cause. And remember, who's REALLY neglecting the OL? They have three first rounders on there. That's not neglect.

Have to much respect for you to say what I really feel.
But in this particular area I totally disagree with they way you see Gase and the hardships he seems to have little or no responsibility for.
Can't say I could come close to your level of evaluation but feel really strong here and he's shown me very little to be excited about for now going on three years.
handles players well...not
coaching staff partially responsible....guys he put together
Cutler..... thought his previous knowledge was of value with him but seems like most of the fans telling us what cutler really was were right....QB guru ?????

Another year of this crap is just to much but we will see who's closer to reality.

I hope your right but man I highly doubt it.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I'm going to tell everyone this and mark my words...if we draft a QB in the first round of the draft, we're a 7-9 or 6-10 team at best for 2018.

All of you screaming for a quarterback will get what you want and yet...will be screaming for Gase's head at the end of the season.

I don't think they would be drafting X with any expectation other than to sit behind RT in 2018, then go from there.

We are going 7-9 next year regardless who we pick because we are capped out eith mediocre players. Aint no other team out there has such little cap space yet little production in wins as the dolphins do. We have some work to do cap wise for the 2019 offseason..

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

It’s utterly amazing to me how so many folks here are judging Tannehill based on Cutler’s disappointing season last year

Or thinking we have a solid guy after watching him sit on the bench All last season without even ever playing one real down ....
Don't really feel that there are actually many judging RT because of Cutler. Think if you want to judge or rather place blame that would need to fall on the Head Coach who had a great amount of experience with Cutler and his so called abilities and chose him as our guy, (some can consider a mistake....big mistake). We could of got the same conclusion with Moore and saved 10 mil. for that matter without doing anything.....

And to be fair, RT still has a hand to play for legitimate judgement...

"Boomer wrote:

Don’t underestimate Gase. At all. There’s no deer in the headlights with him. He’s comfortably the smartest guy in the room. I’ve spoken to him at enough press conferences to know that he knows exactly what he’s doing. His pursuit of Cutler was very simple, understandable and justifiable.

As for the guard issue, remember this: Gase doesn’t like running the ball. It’s a means to an end for him. It’s why Jarvis catches so many passes because he’s often viewed as an extension of the run game. What Gase does is very similar to what Josh McDaniels does in NE in that respect, certainly earlier in Josh’s career. Ultimately when I say he doesn’t value guards, he obviously does, but to a far lesser extent than most coaches. He’d like his guards to be able to run block capably but not to be overly finesse as pass protectors. He wants the ball out of Ryan’s hands quickly. He isn’t an advocate of paying premiums for that position.

For the record Gase is really good for this team. Really good. Trust me.

I really want to echo what Walter said, your sharing of insights with the rest of us has helped me and many others have a much better appreciation for the game.

My issue with aiming for “good enough” guards is that we’ve consistently failed to hit that target. Do you think that more a problem with the talent evaluation/acquisition process or a problem with the OL coaching?
I won’t get into the philosophy of what should be goal in building an OL because Gase has his views and for better or worse we won’t change them.

"Phins_to_Win wrote:

Are you sure about your comment in bold? From outside looking in it seemed like there was a ton of frustration because players could not get on the same page as the coaching staff. Did the players really know exactly what Gase wanted and chose not to give it to him? Cause that's not a ringing endorsement of them loving to play for him. I like Gase and have high hopes he will get better, but the truth is, he does NEED to get better.

Yes. Certain. Been in the locker room enough and spoken to the players enough to know. A small group of players - less than 4 - weren't on the same page. They love him.

"Walter wrote:

Have to much respect for you to say what I really feel.
But in this particular area I totally disagree with they way you see Gase and the hardships he seems to have little or no responsibility for.
Can't say I could come close to your level of evaluation but feel really strong here and he's shown me very little to be excited about for now going on three years.
handles players well...not
coaching staff partially responsible....guys he put together
Cutler..... thought his previous knowledge was of value with him but seems like most of the fans telling us what cutler really was were right....QB guru ?????

Another year of this crap is just to much but we will see who's closer to reality.

I hope your right but man I highly doubt it.

He took a terrible team to the playoffs, made them competitive with a back up QB.

Fans telling the coaching staff about Cutler......telling them what my man? Cutler was the best option Miami had. Matt Moore is great off the bench as a spark plug. This team wouldn't have won four games with him and we'd have been playing Brandon Doughty at some stage. Trust me.

Expectations have to be lowered when you lose your franchise passer.

"Pauly wrote:

I really want to echo what Walter said, your sharing of insights with the rest of us has helped me and many others have a much better appreciation for the game.

My issue with aiming for “good enough” guards is that we’ve consistently failed to hit that target. Do you think that more a problem with the talent evaluation/acquisition process or a problem with the OL coaching?
I won’t get into the philosophy of what should be goal in building an OL because Gase has his views and for better or worse we won’t change them.

Thanks Pauly. I think they've certainly hit on one in Jesse Davis who looks a legitimately solid NFL starter. I think it's a lot about talent evaluation. I think it's an issue generally around the league when you look at the effect that spread offenses have on line talent in the NFL.

"Boomer wrote:

He took a terrible team to the playoffs, made them competitive with a back up QB.

Fans telling the coaching staff about Cutler......telling them what my man? Cutler was the best option Miami had. Matt Moore is great off the bench as a spark plug. This team wouldn't have won four games with him and we'd have been playing Brandon Doughty at some stage. Trust me.

Expectations have to be lowered when you lose your franchise passer.

Cutler ? ...Moore, Doughty, Colin Kaepernick, funny you can fill in the blanks with anyone and end up with the same season ending big time losers result.... win 4 games or 10 WHO GIVES A CRAP. Friggin Playoff excuse .... that was one of worse things to happen to us because it gives a sinking ship a life vest to think its even on the same page as the ligitmate contenders. Buffallo made the playoffs...that a good team ????

This filling the holes to get to a playoff game is a nightmare and hasn't worked for 20 years. ( OK twice with 2 still crappy teams)
Until we have a little common sense and someone who see's the need for a legitimate REBUILD we will just be spinning our wheels for another 15 years. And one that starts with the OL .....

Damn Boomer outside of basic knowledge and instincts, your little toe holds more knowledge of the game than me, but after being on the Same Merry-go-round for so long I've actually learned what failure and ineptitude looks like and the Dolphins have a PHD in that dept. I hate to say....

Wish I had some expectations to lower, its reach that point I'm so disappointed in this team and the fog it can't get out of.

Reality Check:

YEAR WIN LOSS

2001 11 5
2002 9 7
2003 10 6
2004 4 12
2005 9 7
2006 6 10
2007 1 15
2008 11 5 playoffs ravens 27 mia 9
2009 7 9
2010 7 9
2011 6 10
2012 7 9
2013 8 8
2014 8 8
2015 6 10
2016 10 6 Playoffs pitts. 30 mia 12
2017 6 10

11 HEAD COACHES
18 QB's

Now figuring out QB,,, poor OL a second shot at the backup coaching staff, 1st group didn't workout...surprise...
But we made the playoffs....... EARTH calling DOLPHINS come in Dolphins.

"Walter wrote:

Cutler ? ...Moore, Doughty, Colin Kaepernick, funny you can fill in the blanks with anyone and end up with the same season ending big time losers result.... win 4 games or 10 WHO GIVES A CRAP. Friggin Playoff excuse .... that was one of worse things to happen to us because it gives a sinking ship a life vest to think its even on the same page as the ligitmate contenders. Buffallo made the playoffs...that a good team ????

This filling the holes to get to a playoff game is a nightmare and hasn't worked for 20 years. ( OK twice with 2 still crappy teams)
Until we have a little common sense and someone who see's the need for a legitimate REBUILD we will just be spinning our wheels for another 15 years. And one that starts with the OL .....

Damn Boomer outside of basic knowledge and instincts, your little toe holds more knowledge of the game than me, but after being on the Same Merry-go-round for so long I've actually learned what failure and ineptitude looks like and the Dolphins have a PHD in that dept. I hate to say....

Wish I had some expectations to lower, its reach that point I'm so disappointed in this team and the fog it can't get out of.

I think you're over thinking this buddy. You lose Tannehill and it's over. You think New England is making the SB if Tom Brady goes down? Look at what happened to Green Bay when Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Brett Hundley could barely move the ball at times, even at Lambeau. You can't blame the results of what happens to Tannehill's knee on Gase.

Every single team has holes. Every one. New England doesn't have a legitimate run game, struggles on the offensive line, couldn't generate any pass rush until they brought in a 40 year old James Harrison, couldn't get decent snaps from any of their linebackers after Hightower went down so they had to compromise their safeties to play one in the box and that affected a secondary that couldn't cover anywhere that wasn't Gilmore.

I feel your pain man, I do. 34 years of it. But this team has the right man in place. It does. I think Adam Gase is going to be a great coach in this league. I wrote a magazine piece for a UK magazine about 6 months ago where I said he was the best thing to happen to this team since Dan Marino was drafted. And yep, Zach and JT were great but we won nothing with them. Steve Ross - who I spoke to - believes he's found his modern day Shula. He does. The players - and I spoke with Kenny Stills, Michael Thomas and Cam Wake - all speaking on behalf to the units they represented, felt that he was fair, honest, super motivated, gets guys playing, accountable, funny, driven, hard working and a winner. I put a lot of stock in that because it wasn't just fancy rhetoric. I've been in the locker room after wins and after losses. I've seen him with his players, with his coaches and with management and ownership and I include Ross and Marino. And I was at LSU-Alabama and Alabama-Mississippi State this past season and chatted to the Miami scouts that were there and have subsequently chatted to a couple of them away from the game and the franchise sits squarely behind Gase.

Yep, it all comes down to winning but this constant merry go round of hiring, firing, hiring, firing serves zero purpose. Look how many coaches and quarterbacks we've been through since 2008 - just ten years. You need to find a quarterback. If you find one, then you're set fair. And Gase hasn't had the chance to see if Tannehill is his guy because RT has been hurt. But in the small window we saw, Ryan was playing his best football and all we heard last spring and summer from observers, from players and from the media was that Tannehill was looking superb before the injury.

Gase deserves more than two seasons and more than 9 or so games with the franchise passer.

"Boomer wrote:

I think you're over thinking this buddy. You lose Tannehill and it's over. You think New England is making the SB if Tom Brady goes down? Look at what happened to Green Bay when Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Brett Hundley could barely move the ball at times, even at Lambeau. You can't blame the results of what happens to Tannehill's knee on Gase.

Every single team has holes. Every one. New England doesn't have a legitimate run game, struggles on the offensive line, couldn't generate any pass rush until they brought in a 40 year old James Harrison, couldn't get decent snaps from any of their linebackers after Hightower went down so they had to compromise their safeties to play one in the box and that affected a secondary that couldn't cover anywhere that wasn't Gilmore.

I feel your pain man, I do. 34 years of it. But this team has the right man in place. It does. I think Adam Gase is going to be a great coach in this league. I wrote a magazine piece for a UK magazine about 6 months ago where I said he was the best thing to happen to this team since Dan Marino was drafted. And yep, Zach and JT were great but we won nothing with them. Steve Ross - who I spoke to - believes he's found his modern day Shula. He does. The players - and I spoke with Kenny Stills, Michael Thomas and Cam Wake - all speaking on behalf to the units they represented, felt that he was fair, honest, super motivated, gets guys playing, accountable, funny, driven, hard working and a winner. I put a lot of stock in that because it wasn't just fancy rhetoric. I've been in the locker room after wins and after losses. I've seen him with his players, with his coaches and with management and ownership and I include Ross and Marino. And I was at LSU-Alabama and Alabama-Mississippi State this past season and chatted to the Miami scouts that were there and have subsequently chatted to a couple of them away from the game and the franchise sits squarely behind Gase.

Yep, it all comes down to winning but this constant merry go round of hiring, firing, hiring, firing serves zero purpose. Look how many coaches and quarterbacks we've been through since 2008 - just ten years. You need to find a quarterback. If you find one, then you're set fair. And Gase hasn't had the chance to see if Tannehill is his guy because RT has been hurt. But in the small window we saw, Ryan was playing his best football and all we heard last spring and summer from observers, from players and from the media was that Tannehill was looking superb before the injury.

Gase deserves more than two seasons and more than 9 or so games with the franchise passer.

Well my friend, I guess in this situation I would like to think your right but just can't. For me I've seen way to much of confusion and IMO lack of insight to be able to acknowledge your view point and honestly a bit surprised at your confident response. So we will see for Gase and his new coaching staff which fingers crossed is an upgrade from the old departed staff that Gase picked and wanted that did what ????? Gase has at least another year to prove himself so I'm not going to argue that now.

Brady could become a Dolphin and he would not take this team to possibly even the playoffs. Our OL could not even compare to NE's. And you don't think that will have a huge effect on Tannehill performance or the grounds for further excuses of failure if that happens, Oh surprise its the OL ..
We are just Not there to where our concerns for success are about a QB or one or two players...
You want success to a greater degree (not superbowl yet) but focus this year MOSTLY on OL with a acquisition of Norwell, trade Landry up to get Nelson and a pick, 86 Pouncey, pickup Price, Ragnow or Wynn. You want to make RT better heres your real shot. Make Drake better too. Ya sacrificing alot of other areas but this isn't a building of Rome in one day...More like basic 101 football
Christ your input on Gases view of OL is friggin scary and I really don't care how many dolphin players or Ross or those other guys have expressed to you that they think it's Happy Days...Just look at the games and the development for its shouting out at us. You of all people don't need Stills, Wake Ross, etc and other players output and him being a good guy is irrelevant IMO ( I think he's probably a hell of a guy...Head coach ????)look for yourself what do you see???
Every coach at some point ends up behind some kind of 8-ball and the good ones usually can come out of them OK, maybe not necessarily better but not lower down the tubes...Shula perfect season Griese goes out...that what separates the group how you get though the unexpected troubled times. Christ Gase is bringing a whole new coaching crew now truthfully hope for the best and a significant improvement but man unorthodox approach is not even close to being an understatement ..... Hope it works

I guess we just will have to disagree...... for the line your own I feel is familiar and I've seen more than I've wanted to and can not for the life of me expect it to work....No way you can convince me ...again hope I'm tremendously wrong....

Peter Schrager from NFLN’s GMF show did a short bit on everything the Miami Dolphins team went through this past season. They charted out the logistics side of it, etc.

It wasn’t anything we all didn’t already know, but it was just funny to see it laid out that way in a quick, concise, matter of fact kind of way or whatever. Gase and the team certainly had a lot to deal with and overcome. It was extremely impressive to even come out of it with a win.

He was talking about losing your starting QB, the hurricane, having to travel across the country, having to move the families, then travel back across the country, losing the buy week, a coke snorting coach and all of the attention and media frenzy that ensued, the injuries, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,, Holy Poop, Batman! Amazing we won a game.

Yeah, he certainly has made some mistakes, but I guess they all do. It would definitely be way too early to be calling for his head and saying he should be replaced.

"Walter wrote:

Well my friend, I guess in this situation I would like to think your right but just can't. For me I've seen way to much of confusion and IMO lack of insight to be able to acknowledge your view point and honestly a bit surprised at your confident response. So we will see for Gase and his new coaching staff which fingers crossed is an upgrade from the old departed staff that Gase picked and wanted that did what ????? Gase has at least another year to prove himself so I'm not going to argue that now.

Brady could become a Dolphin and he would not take this team to possibly even the playoffs. Our OL could not even compare to NE's. And you don't think that will have a huge effect on Tannehill performance or the grounds for further excuses of failure if that happens, Oh surprise its the OL ..
We are just Not there to where our concerns for success are about a QB or one or two players...
You want success to a greater degree (not superbowl yet) but focus this year MOSTLY on OL with a acquisition of Norwell, trade Landry up to get Nelson and a pick, 86 Pouncey, pickup Price, Ragnow or Wynn. You want to make RT better heres your real shot. Make Drake better too. Ya sacrificing alot of other areas but this isn't a building of Rome in one day...More like basic 101 football
Christ your input on Gases view of OL is friggin scary and I really don't care how many dolphin players or Ross or those other guys that have proven mostly also failures have expressed to you that they think it's Happy Days...
Every coach at some point ends up behind some kind of 8-ball and the good ones usually can come out of them OK, maybe not necessarily better but not lower down the tubes... Christ Gase is bringing a whole new coaching crew now truthfully hope for the best and a significant improvement but man unorthodox approach is not even close to being an understatement ..... Hope it works

I guess we just will have to disagree...... for the line your own I feel is familiar and I've seen more than I've wanted to and can not for the life of me expect it to work....No way you can convince me ...again hope I'm tremendously wrong....

This isn't glass half empty my friend, this is glass smashed on the floor!!!

It's not nearly as bad as you think it is!!!

"Sceeto wrote:

Peter Schrager from NFLN’s GMF show did a short bit on everything the Miami Dolphins team went through this past season. They charted out the logistics side of it, etc.

It wasn’t anything we all didn’t already know, but it was just funny to see it laid out that way in a quick, concise, matter of fact kind of way or whatever. Gase and the team certainly had a lot to deal with and overcome. It was extremely impressive to even come out of it with a win.

He was talking about losing your starting QB, the hurricane, having to travel across the country, having to move the families, then travel back across the country, losing the buy week, a coke snorting coach and all of the attention and media frenzy that ensued, the injuries, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,, Holy Poop, Batman! Amazing we won a game.

Yeah, he certainly has made some mistakes, but I guess they all do. It would definitely be way too early to be calling for his head and saying he should be replaced.

Good points one and all. If everyone remembers correctly, last season even before we lost Tannehill, even before Irma, I told everyone I was worried about the first 5 games of the season.
Home vs the Buccaneers
Away at the Chargers
Away at the Jets
In London against the Saints
The finally back home against...damn I can’t even remember now. Over 12000 miles travel in that short of a span I knew was going to wear us down

Then add on top of that losing our starting QB
Then add on the hurricane
Then add on losing our bye

Last season was a nasty turd sandwich dealt to us

"Boomer wrote:

This isn't glass half empty my friend, this is glass smashed on the floor!!!

It's not nearly as bad as you think it is!!!

Well my Friend,

And it might be worse than You think too.....

Damn, There's No floor...........lol

"Boomer wrote:

I think you're over thinking this buddy. You lose Tannehill and it's over. You think New England is making the SB if Tom Brady goes down? Look at what happened to Green Bay when Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Brett Hundley could barely move the ball at times, even at Lambeau. You can't blame the results of what happens to Tannehill's knee on Gase.

Every single team has holes. Every one. New England doesn't have a legitimate run game, struggles on the offensive line, couldn't generate any pass rush until they brought in a 40 year old James Harrison, couldn't get decent snaps from any of their linebackers after Hightower went down so they had to compromise their safeties to play one in the box and that affected a secondary that couldn't cover anywhere that wasn't Gilmore.

I feel your pain man, I do. 34 years of it. But this team has the right man in place. It does. I think Adam Gase is going to be a great coach in this league. I wrote a magazine piece for a UK magazine about 6 months ago where I said he was the best thing to happen to this team since Dan Marino was drafted. And yep, Zach and JT were great but we won nothing with them. Steve Ross - who I spoke to - believes he's found his modern day Shula. He does. The players - and I spoke with Kenny Stills, Michael Thomas and Cam Wake - all speaking on behalf to the units they represented, felt that he was fair, honest, super motivated, gets guys playing, accountable, funny, driven, hard working and a winner. I put a lot of stock in that because it wasn't just fancy rhetoric. I've been in the locker room after wins and after losses. I've seen him with his players, with his coaches and with management and ownership and I include Ross and Marino. And I was at LSU-Alabama and Alabama-Mississippi State this past season and chatted to the Miami scouts that were there and have subsequently chatted to a couple of them away from the game and the franchise sits squarely behind Gase.

Yep, it all comes down to winning but this constant merry go round of hiring, firing, hiring, firing serves zero purpose. Look how many coaches and quarterbacks we've been through since 2008 - just ten years. You need to find a quarterback. If you find one, then you're set fair. And Gase hasn't had the chance to see if Tannehill is his guy because RT has been hurt. But in the small window we saw, Ryan was playing his best football and all we heard last spring and summer from observers, from players and from the media was that Tannehill was looking superb before the injury.

Gase deserves more than two seasons and more than 9 or so games with the franchise passer.

Stephen ross once said chad henne can be better than dan marino.This guy is one of the most clueless owners in football.
But yes gase deserves another year to prove himself.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Stephen ross once said chad henne can be better than dan marino.This guy is one of the most clueless owners in football.
But yes gase deserves another year to prove himself.

For all intents and purposes Henne had a remarkable arm. Thee is nothing wrong with hyping your QB. Especially from what I would almost bet was from his coaches telling him this.

Ross was definitely green, but he's learned a lot and I think he's one of the best owners in the league.

"danmarino wrote:

For all intents and purposes Henne had a remarkable arm. Thee is nothing wrong with hyping your QB. Especially from what I would almost bet was from his coaches telling him this.

Ross was definitely green, but he's learned a lot and I think he's one of the best owners in the league.

HAHA!Your joking right?One.of the best owners in the league.Question how many playoffs wins do we have under him?
This clown thought Philbin was a good coach and Tannebum is good Gm.

"pumpdogs wrote:

HAHA!Your joking right?One.of the best owners in the league.Question how many playoffs wins do we have under him?
This clown thought Philbin was a good coach and Tannebum is good Gm.

You don't really know what an owners job is, huh?

I thought playoff wins were a QB stat? lol.....Now it's an owner stat?

The entire league thought Philbin would become a good coach.

I do question Tannenbaum's hire, however.