Dwayne Bowe and the Chiefs agree to 5-year deal

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  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I would think the Chiefs would love to trade down, stay in the top 10, and recover that 2nd round pick (or more) that they gave up in the Alex Smith trade. I think the only position a team moves up to #1 overall is for a quarterback... hah... unfortunately neither Smith nor Barkley are tearing up their workouts.... yet. So the Chiefs are probably stuck there. I would say one of the LT's might be worthy of moving up to #1... but this year there are three likely top 10 LT's. It's a strange year at the top of the draft. Not really a blue chip, premier pass rushing freak. Milliner maybe. A deep draft yes... but not five star elite at the top.
     
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  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    I doubt the rest of the AFC West liked seeing KC trade for Smith better than if they were to draft a QB in this draft as their future starter. In the long run, Matt Barkley maybe better. Just hope he goes to a team like Zona with a good QB friendly head coach and they get him some decent pass blocking linemen.
     
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  3. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I wouldn't rest an ounce of hope on Alex Smith's arm.
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    This would be a great year for KC to continually let the clock run on each pick [starting with #1] until a team calls offering a trade up.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    Apparently Fat Andy disagrees with you too. ;)

    His comp pct was 70% last season, 8 yds per attempt. What's not to like about his arm?
     
  6. jdang307

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    Alex Smith has always done well under good coaching. Norv Turner. Harbaugh. Be interesting to see him under Reid who has a notoriously QB friendly system.
     
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  7. alen1

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    That's OK.

    Those numbers are skewed by the offensive design. The reality is that when Smith has the offense on his shoulders, he's struggled. Many will point to the NFC Championship Game against the New Orleans Saints and say otherwise but that's one game. As far as his talent, his arm is very limited vertically and a big reason why is not just because he's inaccurate but he has chronic footwork problems. I don't think he's the ideal guy for the long term forecast.
     
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  8. padre31

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    Work ethic, poor character?

    :lol:

    Brian Hartline is about to get paid large $$$$, he has none of the drawbacks of Bowe, is 26 and ascending.

    And yet, the armchair GM's just..do..not..get..it.

    So we now pine away for Jennings and Wallace?

    uhm, yeah.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    He'd have had the 49ers in the Super Bowl a year sooner if not for Kyle Williams' fumbles.
     
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  10. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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  11. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Why would you trade rosters with KC?

    Is it the top 5 picks of Tyson Jackson, Glen Dorsey, and Eric Berry? Or the franchise QB they brought from NE? They traded for Quinn and Hillis, whatta u think of that? Jon Baldwin and Derrick Johnson were first rounders. How about Romeo Crennel and Todd Haley as head coaches? Brandon Carr walked for free while MCCluster and Arenas were 2nd rounders. If we had that kind of track record to go with a 2-14 record you'd be screaming for Ireland and what he's done in Miami. The grass is always greener.
     
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  12. GMJohnson

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    If that's the case then why would Harbaugh bench him at the first opportunity? For a guy with 0 career starts. Smith ain't a scrub IMO but c'mon man, he didn't lose his job bc he was awesome.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Andy Reid is the KING of getting skewed numbers out of his QB by design.
     
  14. alen1

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    He is, undoubtedly, but that doesn't mean every quarterback will be successful in his system, especially one that gets worse the more he throws. And as we know with Andy Reid, he likes to throw, so it goes both ways.
     
  15. LBsFinest

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    please don't ever put Bowe and Hartline in the same sentence.
     
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  16. Fin-Omenal

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    I really believe we will see something to the tune of 65% 3800-4000 yards, 30 TDs 12 ints.
     
  17. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Over the course of one season or two?

    I kid. It's possible. Anything is, really. I can't sit here and predict the future. None of us can. I just write what I see/saw.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    It's more Reid than Smith, that guy has made QBs into fools gold his whole career.
     
  19. VanDolPhan

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    Not surprised by the Bowe signing....been trying to break it to Boik for a bit now that he wasn't going to make it to FA ;p
     
  20. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    3 TDs in 3 years. You're the armchair GM who doesn't get it.
    If we wanted him that badly we would've already locked him up or tagged him rather than Starks.

    LOL @ the "ascending" comment. The only thing ascending is his age. He's an overachiever who's reached his ceiling, Pods.
     
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  21. padre31

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    Is someone talking here?

    Not sure, looks like Latin for "haz n ideaz butt trst mez"

    Not that being wrong ever stopped you phinsational, it seems a tool of the trade.
     
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  22. slickj101

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    Dammit Jeff.
     
  23. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    It's amusing when others disagree with you how often you resort to falsely denigrating tactics like this.

    BTW, LOL @ you labeling us "armchair GMs" in a way suggesting you think you're superior and above that connotation. :001_rolleyes:
    Your post count doesn't make you wiser or more knowledgeable, Pods; it only provides us more opportunity to shake our heads.
     
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  24. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    So, then how exactly did this quote come about?

    Just curious. :lol:
     
  25. Fin-Omenal

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    Atleast he's not a sell out. :up:
     
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  26. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Understood... but that doesn't mean it can't be done correctly. We know everything there is to know about Greg Jennings. If they decide to pay him... I'd be quite confident that they'd be getting what they paid for.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    I'm pretty sure if we sign Jennings and draft Austin to take the pressure off Hartline, that he may get his TD total up to 3 or so for this next season. :shifty:

    That would be presuming those were our top 3 WRs.
     
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  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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    The Padre is probably a bean bag chair GM, so to him anyone in a real armchair is superior. :shifty:
     
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  29. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Free agency is fools gold. By and large, there is a reason most of the players who get big money in free agency are available in the first place.

    You are better off trying to strike gold with a player who is ascending but hasn't really gotten his chance yet over spending big money.

    Bowe was potentially the best on the market. Jennings should get around $7-8 million per year, and Wallace should fall in the $4-5 million per year average at best.
     
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  30. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    That's fine... that's why I said it was my own personal opinion.

    IMO, I think he's incredibly overrated b/c he was able to complete a high percentage of plays on sinks and dunks... and rarely is capable of making big plays. He's a game manager... not a game changer.

    I think Reid's interest is a commentary on the QBs available in the draft more than anything...
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    It's true that people do not generally realize that when it comes to the free agent market, you're only getting maybe 50 cents on the dollar for what you spend, in terms of the actual worth you get out of the players. It's the same as the Draft. Everyone assumes just because there's NFL tape it must be so much easier but it's not.

    This is why whenever I see everyone boasting about how the Dolphins have $36 million in cap space or whatever, I keep pointing out how they also have 7 starting positions wide open, and 2 more starting positions that were emptied a year ago and never filled. You're not going to get dollar-for-dollar in filling those starting positions. You'll spend $30 million ($6 million will have to be reserved for draft picks) but you'll get about $15 million worth of players. Some of the guys you buy thinking they'll fill some of those spots will in fact turn out to suck or be injury prone.

    Yet, this is supposed to be some great situation. It's not. This is an unfortunate situation that has arisen due to past mismanagement of the roster.
     
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  32. slickj101

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    Not exactly.

    Don't forget all that cap space also allows us to retain quality players like Starks and hopefully Rashad Jones this offseason.
     
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  33. LBsFinest

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    yup, the big names in free agency usually get overpaid, that's just the way it is, it'd be nice if we had a GM like Ted Thompson who can find stud WR's in the middle rounds like Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and James Jones. but we don't, so now we have to overpay to get a guy who's looking for his last big payday in Jennings. I'd love to have a GM like Kevin Colbert that could find a Mike Wallace in the 3rd round, unfortunately that's not the case, instead the speed guy we draft is Clyde Gates lol...great, so now if we want him we'll have to hand over a 5 year, $60 million deal with God knows how much money guaranteed. 2009, passed on Jared Cook for Pat Turner. you want Cook now? he'll say give me the Zach Miller deal, I want 5 years, 35 mil, at minimum. same goes for Finley if he were to be released.

    you want playmakers Jeff? fine, no excuses, you wanna get into a bidding war for these studs, you got the cap space, cough up the money. I mean this was your plan right? might as well steal playmakers away from other teams anyway, you've shown you can't find them yourself.
     
  34. Alex13

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    because hartline doesnt score any touchdowns, we need guys who do that
     
  35. Alex13

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    just asking, if our situation is "unfortunate" where we have a chance to get the players philbin wants on this team, when we got the money to do it and even the picks to do it....how would you call the jets situation then ?
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    Would you be happy with signing Cook for 5 and 35?
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Wallace stole your girl. Just admit it.
     
  38. LBsFinest

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    me personally I'd be fine with that, he's 25, I felt like he was under-utilized in Tennessee, and I think his best football is ahead of him. other Dolphin fans however probably wouldn't want to pay him that much, they'll cite that the draft is deep at TE, that Cook's numbers were unimpressive, that he disappeared in too many games, all of which are valid points by the way, but the reality of the situation is the young, promising, more notable players in free agency ARE EXPENSIVE.

    all these fans looking forward to the offseason, so excited because we got all this cap space and yet they completely overlook or underestimate just how much these players will cost.

    I think I saw this analogy on twitter but it's like shopping in beverly hills and complaining about the prices.

    I have no problem paying Wallace that money either, in fact that price will damn near be a requirement if you want him. this is the predicament that we are in, we whiffed on all these playmakers in the draft and now we have to shop in the expensive world of free agency to finally get one. okay, Ireland, you put this plan in motion, go and get it done.
     
  39. ToddPhin

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    worse, he played for Ole Miss.
     
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  40. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Free agency is simply not a very successful tool to utilize in building a team. Very few free agents who change teams and sign for big money actually meet the value of their salary. Like CK stated, at best you are likely getting back 50 cents for every dollar you invest in free agency.
     
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