Draft Tek 2 round mock 11/21/12

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  1. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I guess if that was the way the first round was going Keenan Allen or Chance Warmack seem like the likely choices IMO*.







    *Ireland's the GM.
     
  2. ToddPhin

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    Chance Warmack won't be stepping foot in our offense IMO. Don't see him being the right fit.
     
  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Sign me up for that.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Me too Fin-o

    K Allen..Zeke Ansah..Jon Cooper..Stepfan Taylor..Terry Hawthorne.

    That's a nice draft..

    Might go Skov, Chase Thomas, and Tyler Eifert instead, but I would be happy either way.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

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    Allen, Ansah, and Cooper would be too good to be true. What a beautiful start that would be.
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    To me, DraftTek analysis is usually either too inconsistent or late to the game at accurately grading talent.
     
  7. Sumlit

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    Almost every mock draft has the Dolphins picking a WR in the first round, and i cannot tell you how much i doubt that's gonna happen.

    Firstly, there are no clear cut stud can't-miss number 1 WR. Keenan Allen is the closest, and he is not quite that talented, and he suffered a knee injury to boot.
    Then, take into account that this team has sooo many holes, a best player available in the 1st round, is also very likely to be a need-filler.
    And finally, while the weakest argument perhaps, the fact still remains that Philbin from Green Bay philosophy, is very likely not inclined to spend 1st round picks on WRs.

    I might be wrong, of course, but i just don't see the Dolphins picking a 1st round WR with what looks to be a high draft pick.
     
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  8. djphinfan

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    It may not have a Larry Fitz, but it's solid, and pretty deep..

    We should be able to get two weapons in the first three rounds that can immediately be players...Eifert needs to be one of them.
     
  9. PhinsFan93

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    Ertz is pretty good too, just not as athletic as Eifert.
     
  10. PhinsFan93

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    I like it honestly but would prefer Desmond Trufant out of Washington over Hawthorne.
     
  11. ToddPhin

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    Jordan Reed please. There's still potential for Egnew to develop into a quality TE so I'd rather draft an elite Hback like Reed than use our 1st or 2nd round pick on potential overkill. Just my opinion.
     
  12. Den54

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    It would kill me to pass up Manti Teo if he's still on the board when we pick. Also seeing him go to a divisional rival would also blow.
     
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  13. ckparrothead

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    It's one thing to pass on players you think are going to be elite at their position because you really need a quarterback worth a damn. It's another to pass on players you think are going to be elite at their position because you really want a wide receiver.

    Passing on Manti Te'o for Keenan Allen would be a hard thing to justify, for me. The range and agility on Te'o have always been off the charts good, but I love how he's cleaned up his game from an instincts standpoint this year. A lot fewer wasted steps, and it goes without saying the guy is playing the passing game a lot better.
     
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  14. ToddPhin

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    .... not to mention having his in-game intelligence on the field and ability to QB a defense for the next dozen years.

    Call me nuts but in the hierarchy of things, after franchise QB, I'd be hard pressed to not deem an elite, franchise ILB in the Lewis/Urlacher mold second in importance. In fact, if you offered me either JPP or a 24 year old Lewis/Urlacher, I'm taking the latter. The only player who would cause pause in my decision is Calvin Johnson, but I'd lean toward Lewis & Urlacher b/c you can still find great WRs to compliment a franchise QB en route to a SB.
     
  15. djphinfan

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    So by targeting a pure three down defensive end, are we saying we're going to let Starks go, and move Odrick inside and put the rookie in Odricks spot, because if we sign Starks and still select a defensive end, then were saying that our first round pick isn't good enough to be a starter..don't like that way of allocating draft resources if that's the case, big picture takes a hit.
     
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  16. jim1

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    I agree. I'd rather keep the Starks/Soilia DT duo intact and get some pass rushing help opposite Wake, and not by bailing on Odrick. I've always thought highly of Odrick's movement skills, and I expected more from him this year in terms of a pass rush. My thinking is the same as yours- bump him inside on passing downs and find at least one more pass rusher to help out Wake- and also hope that Derrick Shelby develops and Olivier Vernon progresses as pass rushers.

    I'd be more inclined to spend a 2nd rd pick on a DE or OLB that could come in with pass rushing in mind, a situational pass rusher that can develop at DE or OLB. Maybe a Brandon Jenkins or a Corey Lemonier- or both. I'd rather keep Odrick as a base DE and bump him in on passing downs, not just move him to DT. Pay Randy Starks, he deserves it. I also think that Koa Misi and Kevin Burnett should be looked at in terms of our lack of a pass rush. Jared Odrick is a good base defense player- we need more attack pieces around him and on the perimeter when he's bumped inside on passing downs.

    How would this work:

    1. Xavier Rhodes
    2. Brandon Jenkins
    2. Matt Elam
    3. Corey Lemonier
    3. Sean Porter
    4. Da'Rick Rogers

    If Mike Williams can fall to the 4th round... And that list above is predicated on signing either Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe as a FA. This WR situation has to end. I still wonder if Karlos Dansby is worth $12 million a year, and also whether or not Koa Misi could play MLB for us. I know that Dansby is hurt, but I woudn't say that he provides value at $11-12 million/year. I'd be ok with saving the Dansby money for Starks or a WR/CB free agent.
     
  17. PhinsRDbest

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    I'm fine with either or because he is not cutting it at DE.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    I'm not looking to replace Misi, and I don't want to take a situational player so early in the draft, I think if we're gonna keep Starks, then looking for a pure three down 43 outside linebacker would be the way to go if we want gonna go early in the draft with a def front 7 player and replace a position, Burnett being the guy in this case.

    If we're looking to draft a Dlineman early than I can't see resigning Starks, just too many resources in one unit...If we dont sign STarks, must move Odrick full time to dtackle and replace Odrick with someone like Werner or Ansah.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    If we're thinking Dend, Then basically, to maximize resources, we must let go of a good football player in Starks, move Odrick inside, and find his replacement at end..just don't like getting rid of a good player like Starks..
     
  20. Anonymous

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    You don't have to do that. You can draft someone like Werner, keep Starks and have Odrick as the third defensive tackle. They rotate a good amount on our line, so Odrick could still get 500+ snaps next season rotating inside with Soliai and Starks.
     
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  21. PhinsRDbest

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    True, but that's also why you drafted Odrick, to replace either Soliai or Starks.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    No, they can all serve in a rotation, and we'd have greater flexibility against different offensive schemes. Against passing teams, perhaps Odrick & Starks play DT with Ansah or Werner at SDE. Against teams who can run well we'd stay with Odrick at SDE (mix up some 3-4 stuff)..... and in nickel we could have Wake, Ansah, Starks, and Vernon. It'd be a hybrid defense basically.
    Besides, you can't have enough DEs/pass rushers. Look at the Texans. They have Barwin & Reed and still used a 1st rounder on Mercilus.
    There's plenty of snaps to go around IMO.
     
  23. ToddPhin

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    I wouldn't let go of Starks to make more room for Odrick just b/c we spent a 1st on him. Re-signing Starks should be a priority IMO, Deej.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    If we run a hybrid defense, Odrick can serve in rotation at DT as well as 1st string DE when we mix in 3-4 stuff.
     

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