Draft strategy depends on what kind of team we want to be.

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  1. CaribPhin

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    Since nobody has said it yet, the Miami Dolphins have never had Bryant McKinnie under contract for 2014 in franchise history. On condition of him being traded here, both sides agreed to void the last year of his contract as it was agreed to with Baltimore. Miami wanted a free out if he sucked and McKinnie wanted a good contract if he didn't.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Not my favorite part, however my favorite part of the offseason.

    The build up used to be part I liked. By the time I started getting sick of the mocks and the research of people and reports on who visited who, the draft would start.

    Now I am sick of it.

    It is like you are with your girl and she is doing something special for you. It is cute how she dances, and sexy how she takes off all her clothes, however after a few hours you are at the point where you just want to yell, "SUCK IT ALREADY!"
     
  3. Fin D

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    I'm not saying I didn't say those things or that you're lying, but do you have a link to that thread?
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol.
     
  5. LBsFinest

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    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...-GB-offense-where-are-the-YAC-gonna-come-from

    you're like the 9th post down.

    Larryfinfan told me Sherman and Philbin would develop our receivers into the group from the Packers lol...so much for that.

    anyway the main point of that thread was to argue for adding a weapon in the draft, so it was frustrating when it came and went and we didn't draft a single one. especially when it was clear that they were trying to rid themselves of Davone Bess. I know you wanted to draft Stedman Bailey so you kinda felt the same way, but at the time, right after we signed Wallace and Gibson, you were pretty content with the group.

    Ireland wanted Tavon Austin...that's great. he missed out on him, it's not the end of the world, he wasn't the only receiver in the draft, Marquise Goodwin would have been a nice consolation prize, even a Markus Wheaton, we coulda had either of the two in the 3rd round.
     
  6. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    One of the things that Lazor will probably look to improve is the efficiency of Tannehill/Wallace passing game. Five yards per attempt at 140 attempts for #1 receiver will likely not cut it. Our average is at 7 ypa with Hartline, Gibson and Clay. This is where the argument for Cooks comes in, or Beckham and such. I am just not convinced they will relegate Wallace at the price they are paying. I am not sure scheme alone will do it either.
     
  7. djphinfan

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    I've been doin a lot of Thinking, because Ryan is not as swift in the pocket as I thought He would be coming out of college, because I don't feel like he is the playmaking type of Qb, first of All I need to accept that, 2nd I need to draft accordingly.

    Move down in the draft if possible.

    1) Morgan Moses

    2) Troy Niklas

    2) Trai Turner

    3) Shane Skov.

    4) Phillip Gaines

    5) D'anthony Thomas

    6) Mike Sam.

    7) Jay Prosch.
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    Coming from one of most productive downfield passing offenses of the past decade, Lazor [plus Hickey] are strongly looking to improve Tannehill's downfield passing efficiency which was weak last year, a real thorn of the offense. Now, if Hickey can use that player to kill 2 birds with one stone by also offering YAC potential [which Philly had in spades], then he's gonna be highly coveted no doubt. Hence the interest in Beckham, Cooks, Moncrief, and Herron.
     
  9. Fin D

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    Fair enough. In my defense, I was counting on Keller & Bess back then though. I was also expecting Gibson to turn the corner, which seemed like was happening until he got hurt. We don't have two of those guys as of now and who knows how Gibson will fair.

    So considering the WR corp is different from the time I made that statement, I don't really think I'm contradicting myself or have changed my mind.
     
  10. Lee2000

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    I am supporting your trade proposal, and the guts to question Lewan as an option (however I do believe they would take him if he dropped to 19). That special talent would likely be a non-offensive lineman, but if Matthews dropped to 8 or below I think Miami would consider a trade up. My hope is they will trade down and acquire more picks in this very deep draft.
     
  11. 77FinFan

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    I've actually seen mocks that have Matthews above Robinson, but I agree about both looking at Matthews if he falls a little and Lewan if he falls in our lap at 19.
     
  12. Limbo

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  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Dolphins gave Koa Misis a 4 year, $17 million contract with more than $8 million guaranteed even though he's just a mediocre 2-down linebacker. If he were mine he would damn well do whatever I tell him he's doing. If I want him lined up at corner, he will ****ing play corner and he better do his best with it.
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    I agree, and Misi doesn't strike me to shy away from a challenge, this report sounds like hogwash.
     
  15. GMJohnson

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    I could see Misi playing inside in a 3-4, I don't think he has the skill set to do it in a 4-3. And why would we want a 2 down LB at MLB anyway? Sounds silly IMO.
     
  16. Alex13

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    the black mamba could be a player, but i would be pretty disappointed if we don´t add another playmaker at the WR position
     
  17. djphinfan

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    It's a tough dilemma..

    If you go receiver in this draft, your gonna have to spend a high pick to get a high level of talent so it can penetrate the top 3, if you do that you reduce the chances of you getting two starting quality lineman.
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    We threw the ball 65% of the time last year. Goal number 1,2,5,7,12 etc is to have more balance. Adding more WRs isn't gonna do that. Albert will help keep the sacks number down but we still need to fix the ride side and find an inline TE so we can run the ball effectively. Once that is taken care of I'd be all for improving the WR unit.
     
  19. Alex13

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    it really is, after 58 sacks last year it should be an absolute no brainer to go OL with a high pick, but its sooo deep with OL this year, i think you can get someone good in round 2 and 3
     
  20. GMJohnson

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    Whoa what'd I miss Deej? I thought you favored going for a skill guy?
     
  21. GMJohnson

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    Taking an OT high not only helps with pass pro it also helps in the run game so we aren't throwing 65% of the time. You're killing to birds with one stone. If the draft is deep like they say it is at OT then why not aim for a top 10 talent at 19 instead of hoping to get a decent one in the 50s?
     
  22. djphinfan

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    believe me, ive thought about this all offseason, and you know what it comes down to?, I'm just not comfortable with Ryan dealing with chaos in the pocket or getting away from it and making individual plays, so keeping it clean and allowing him to relax takes precedence..Think about it, we put him in the shotgun a lot, we still wound up with the record.

    Now it all comes down to what's staring at us, if that's a player that's too good to pass up, I get it..
     
  23. djphinfan

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    To get the best inline tight end who isn't just that,was the reasoning behind going with Niklas, ive got to get some weaponry if Im going there..
     
  24. Alex13

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    i´m still so high on ryan that i still believe he will get good at it, spreading out the D with playmakers all over the field helps the offensive line as well

    think about that tough SOB got sacked 58 times last year...he missed a half quarter against buffalo, thats it
     
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  25. djphinfan

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    I thought about our debate a lot, and I'm not saying I wouldn't select Cooks or Beckham depending on the board and the opps to move down, but it truly comes down to fear, I don't think Ryan is good enough at maneuvering thru the pocket to make plays under postseason pressure.
     
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  26. djphinfan

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    What did chip Kelly do last year?
     
  27. 77FinFan

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    So is Niklas your first choice under this criteria? A strong blocker who can catch the ball down the middle.
     
  28. 13Machine8385

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    I can't believe that so many Dolphins fans want a OL with their #19 pick. Our line play wan't good last year but we didn't have a franchise LT or Smith in the fold. We do now. We aren't going to draft a RT in the draft and he's going to come in and be the savior. The problems on offense for this team are far beyond the OL play. If we still needed a LT I would agree, but the truth is we can get a good prospect later to make this line gel. No matter who we take in the draft, he will probably get owned for a while if we throw him in the starting lineup. Whether it's a first round, second or third......he gets beat often and much until he gets used to this level of play.

    I would rather commit to the BPA then to say that we have to take an OL first. The BPA will not be OL at #19.

    If we could just go into this draft saying that we will take BPA in round 1, while still getting a couple of promising OL, and come out at the end with....
    - A great player at #19
    - 2-3 Playmakers on offense
    - 2 promising OL - One relatively early (round 2 or 3) and one late......

    I think we would be a successful. Obviously, you can't plan a complete draft because it depends where the cards fall, but this would be a nice start. If BPA is a DB or LB in round 1 then lets snatch him up!
     
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    I don't know much about Niklas but Id hate to take a TE in the first unless it's a perennial Pro Bowl type guy. Much rather go with a premium position, QB, pass rusher, pass protector or CB.
     
  30. GMJohnson

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    Thats not unreasonable at all.

    But when I think BPA I'm thinking who can come in and help the team the most. And it's gonna be hard to find a non OL who can help us as much as a solid RT would, IMO.
     
  31. 77FinFan

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    Yeah, meant first choice not first round. He's a 2nd round talent and wouldn't be happy w/ him being taken in the first.
     
  32. LBsFinest

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    it's interesting that everyone believes we can find good offensive lineman in the mid rounds when we haven't been able to for the last 6 years.
     
  33. 13Machine8385

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    Last 6 years.......hmmm......interesting timeframe you chose. I can't imagine we'd have any draft flubs during that era.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    from what im hearing in your takes is that its all oline no matter what at 19, even if the better ones are off the board, and i dont hear you talk trade down..

    thats where we disagree Gm, I would not select a player at 19 if my board doesn't have him in that range...just cant do it, ill figure something else out.
     

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