Way to look at in in a vacuum. So I guess b/c some positions are ok that it makes it ok for the ones that aren't? That's what mediocrity is made of. Duffner has no track record of success yet it's not ok for us to be concerned about it, and Philbin has no track record of making successful hires yet it's not ok for us to be concerned when he hires a friend without a track record of success? Gotchya. And Tannehill? LOL. He's improved on his own merit and is being held back by his inexperienced QB coaches so don't even go there. Anyone who refers to Zac Taylor & Ben Johnson, 2 guys with no prior QB coaching experience, as positives among the coaching staff might wanna reexamine their belief system. Rishard Matthews? It's already documented by two receivers that they learned more from the Asst WR Coach than O'Keefe and that they questioned O'Keefe's coaching acumen. That's not a vote of confidence, and I'd trust their opinion immensely more than "well he's Philbin's friend so how bad can he be?". Plus there's an unspecified position involving a player stating he learned nothing from his coach all year. But who cares right. Philbin and his infinite amount of time spent never hiring coaches is suddenly the Donald Trump of the NFL who deserves our unwavering confidence, right. Charles Clay? Dan Campbell was here coaching the tight ends before Philbin arrived, so don't go laying that credit on Joe. There was no reason to fire Campbell at the time. Nobody is questioning our Dline coach who has been here since 2008, and Philbin would have to be an absolute idiot to fire him when he arrived, so you can remove Vernon, Odrick, and Shelby from your list. Actually, Kacy Rodgers would be an example that supports MY argument, not yours b/c the team would be much better off if its positional coaches were all on Rodgers' level and with his amount of experience. The guy has been a Dline coach since 1994 and was with the Cowboys Dline for 5 years before coming to Miami with Parcells. Even in Dallas he started as a defensive tackle coach before encompassing the entire Dline so that he could transition from college coaching to the pros. But noooooo, in Miami, under Philbin, we take the most important position in football and give him 2 coaches without a day's experience between them, and we hire grad students w/o a day's coaching experience between them, and we hire a WR coach w/o a day's experience coaching the position. Our secondary should get better when we hire a DB specialist as our defensive coordinator, however our defense itself took a step back so I'm not sure patting the Coyle hiring on the back is such a good thing yet.
That's precisely the tone you put me on ignore for, but you did this to Rocky who is the last person who deserves to be treated like that.
yes, McCarthy would rehire Philbin...... as an offensive coordinator, where he's not in charge of the team like he is here. Two different roles. Philbin cant exert himself in GB like he does in Miami, and I doubt McCarthy would hire Philbin to replace himself. It was more than just Roland who felt that way about Sherman. Jagodzinski was pretty explicit as well. And I agree, it doesn't necessarily mean Philbin is the same way as Sherman, however, like minds tend to prefer the company of their own, and we can't ignore the fact Philbin prefers people who keep their mouths shut, which seems to parallel to the way Sherman ran things according to his staff. Agree to disagree about those 7 seeming qualified. To me, as a whole they're pretty far from qualified. And yes, Duffner wasn't on a hapless Jags team when he arrived, but they certainly tumbled defensively during his time. Plus I dont think it holds water to tout his being kept around through 3 regimes when the choices those regimes made are what got them terminated in the first place. He was canned by a good organization in Green Bay, was replaced in Cincy after an abysmal showing there, and was allowed to leave Jacksonville after what fans deemed was an unspectacular display there. People keep asking, "well why not Duffner, and why not trust Philbin"...... well, I'd like to have answered, "Why Duffner, and why trust Philbin?". What have they accomplished to instill confidence, and merely being employed previously as a LB coach is not an accomplishment.
You're wasting your time with all this. My point was that many players have improved under Philbin's watch. He's still the one in charge.
I do think Bill Lazor puts a wrench in the hiring cronies thing. Not to mention the fact that all coaches hire cronies. Heck Doug Marrone only has a job in Buffalo because of front office cronyism. The Patriots routinely recycle coaches as well. There's only so much you can learn in interviews and unlike business, coaching tendencies, intricacies, and minutiae are best known before you're faced with fourth and 10 and your OC wants to call a fullback screen. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
If you say so. People are expressing legitimate concerns about Philbin's hirings and that's your answer? ....not to mention treating people as if they're acting irrationally over it even though there's nothing in Duffner's resume to establish qualification? Sherman? -fired. Coyle? -defense has gotten worse under him and he's justifiably been criticized throughout the year. O'Keefe? -his own receivers criticize his aptitude for the job, understandably so considering he has no prior experience. Zac Taylor? -heavily criticized and wouldn't have a job as a QB coach anywhere else considering no experience. Hell, maybe I can befriend Philbin and he can hire me to coach Tannehill too since playing the position and having ties with Philbin appear to be the basic job requirement. Ben Johnson? -see above. Turner? -who has developed on the offensive line? Newsflash, we didn't make the playoffs. Not everything is copasetic. What has Philbin done to earn ANY benefit of the doubt when the hiring looks suspect on paper? The goddam Jets apparently wouldn't even hire Duffner, yet we should toast our glasses to it, eh?
How so? You realize our previous OC was a Philbin crony, right?... a fired one at that? I'd be hard pressed to believe Ross, under the direction of Peterson, wasn't in his ear or standing over his shoulder with the OC hiring, especially after the failure of his prior crony. If your hand gets caught in the cookie jar, chances are you're gonna lay low for a while with the same antics, as in- not immediately put another friend into such a high profile, integral coaching position. so you're saying our goal should be to become the Bills? Way to shoot for the stars. There's a difference between hiring familiar faces who are qualified candidates like Belichick does and hiring familiar faces despite being unqualified or not qualified enough like Philbin does. Philbin's depth doesn't reach far enough into the NFL to have that luxury. Belichick's reach on the other hand is quite expansive so he has the luxury of finding coaches who are not only qualified but who he's also familiar with. Do you think Belichick would bring in Zac Taylor & Ben Johnson, a pair of nobodies straight out of college, to coach Brady? I think not. Do you honestly believe that? We're talking about positional coaches, the guys responsible for developing players. What does an interview have to do with first identifying candidates with a history of getting the most from his players and transitioning college kids to the pros? Zac Taylor, Ben Johnson, O'Keefe, Duffner, and Bullen all have no resumes of such success, not even close. Hell, 4 of those guys don't even have a resume. Taylor & Johnson were barely qualified to coach QBs at a community college, yet Philbin gives them jobs in the NFL doing so, and with the face of the franchise involved no less? gimme a break.
I am not going to bash Philbin for hiring a coach he is familiar with but with that said this particular hiring does not look exciting. LB play last year was terrible and changes need to be made. I hope this guy can give them whatever was missing. If this guy fails it will just add ammunition to the criticism surrounding Philbin's ability to assemble a winning team.
Look at many if not most of the Pats assistants. They are guys who were nondescript or relatively unknowns in college, and brought to the Pats at a rather young age, worked as assistants to assistants for a few years, moved around on the staff to different roles before becoming a coordinator or primary position assistant. I think most of the assistants first NFL job was with the Pats. Belichick is trying to home grow as many of his assistants as possible. That is kind of like what Philbin is trying to do with guys like Adams, McGeoghan, Bullen, and Johnson. One could probably add Rivera and Burris to that list too. He is trying to plan for the long haul. It's just still up in the air how much time he'll get.
There is no proof that Philbin was forced to hire a non crony as his OC. If that was the case there would have been no reason to even interview McAdoo. Of course that could have been subterfuge. For that matter, there is no proof he was told to either replace Sherman or be fired himself. Nothing but pure speculation. Also, if there was a no cronies mandate from on high, then he would not have been allowed to hire Duffner either.
There is more than enough just looking at his resume' to say he is qualified and experienced for the job hired for.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-0122-20140121,0,3376775.story Sounds like an incompetent fool.
