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Dolphins Plans for QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 25, 2019.

What Should the Dolphins do at QB?

  1. Ditch RT17 - Draft High this year - QB answer is?

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  2. Ditch RT17 - Aim for 2020 - QB answer is?

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  3. Ditch RT17 - Aim for 2021 - QB answer is?

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  4. Ditch RT17 - Draft first round QB every year until you find one.

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  5. Keep RT17 for 2019 - Aim for 2020 - QB answer is?

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  6. Keep RT17 for 2019 - Draft High this year - QB answer is?

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  7. Keep RT17 for 2019 - Aim for 2021- QB answer is?

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  8. Keep RT17 for 2019 - Draft first round QB until you find one?

    7 vote(s)
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  9. Keep RT17 and give him another shot - Draft low 2019, high only if doesn't work out.

    1 vote(s)
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  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    According to one media source at least, the Dolphins will be looking to have a hold over QB this year, in 2019, and then draft high in 2020 for what could be a talent-filled draft class.



    What would you prefer the Dolphins do at QB?

    Post any specific names/reasons.
     
  2. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I literally have no idea who they will ultimately put at QB this year, but you have to jettison Tannehill if you're turning over a new leaf and you dont believe in the guy.
     
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  3. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I can't even vote on this because I don't know. In terms of what I would personally do....I would draft a quarterback until I found a franchise signal caller. It is absolutely of vital importance that we find a mainstay at the position. A guy that comes out every week and gives us a chance to win. So with our 13th pick....I would probably draft a quarterback....Lock and Murray are the guys I like and that's just my own crappy personal fanboy opinion. Don't get wrong, i'm all for building an elite defense, but we wont fully move forward until we have consistent (positive) play at the quarterback position. You can argue all day about the offensive line, and Ryan Tannehill, injuries, Adam Gases cocaine eyes, blah blah....We need a quarterback. If Miami is looking at veteran holdovers, then someone like Brett Hundley, or Tyrod Taylor fits the bill. Thing is Taylor can win some games for you. If we sign him it isn't because we are trying to tank. Blatant tanking would mean David Fales or Jake Ruddock starting for us. I do have an unsettling feeling that Trevor Effing Siemien will be a guy we target this offseason. He fits right in there with the Jay Fielder just yuck, puke, cringe-worthy type of bridge QB's we gravitate to. Ugh... that would be horrific. I don't even like the name Trevor (no offense if that is your name or a close family member). I can see it now....Trevor Siemien as our opening day starter. I won't even watch....It'll be like 2007 Cam Cameron season all over again. It'll just be a missed year of football for me which is fine....Maybe I could use another break.
     
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  4. Hooligan

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    We don't know what we have with Falk, let's find out. Anyone they draft this year should not be expected to play immediately so, you have to keep somebody already on the roster or hire a vet. Looking back, Tannehill should never have been playing from day one. He should have sat and learned and be chomping at the bit when he got his chance.
     
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  5. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I am very opposed to the team drafting a QB high this year, and am fundamentally in opposition of trading anything to move up in order to do so. The 2020 class looks to be so much better that the 4th or 5th QB next year might be better than the top one in 2019 - very similar to the 2012 and 2013 classes, but in reverse order.

    As far as RT17 goes, I'm cool with bringing him back for one more year, but given that we're starting totally over, then trying to trade him away, even for just a 5th rounder, might be the best way to go.

    If we could bring in a fairly young and inexpensive QB to give a shot to in 2019, I'd be all for it. However, that doesn't seem very likely. I do not want to spend a lot on a temporary solution, because that money is better being rolled over into the future, and the best case is likely another six or seven win season anyways. Better to just take our medicine, accept that 2019 is going to be a disaster, and go into the 2020 draft with one of the top picks.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Get Murray.

    If he's impossible to get, either trade down, get more picks and get a QB in 2020...or pick up a stud DT with the 13th this year and go after a QB in 2020.
     
  7. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    As invid said, got to make a break with the past so step #1 is ditch Tannehill. As to which year we should draft a QB? Doesn't matter as long as it's either 2019 or 2020 but whatever strategy we have we absolutely need to end up with a QB Grier actually wants.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Well, if Grier is lousy though, I'd rather end up with a good QB in spite of what he wants, so that we can then build around that QB once Grier himself is gone.
     
  9. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    If Grier is still there in the second I would grab him. If not grab a QB in the later rounds. This draft should be adding linemen, linemen, and more linemen. And there are still linemen available then go ahead and grab some more linemen. When free agency starts get some linemen. They don't need to be the high priced superstar names but guys who's talents will fit the schemes that will be run. You win or lose in the trenches.
     
  10. cbrad

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    lol.. how about we just change that to "we want a good QB regardless of what Grier wants". Then you have the best of both worlds. That is, you get both conditionals in the same sentence (whether Grier is lousy or not).

    Not sure how good Grier is with QB's, but I think his drafting has been decent so far. Still.. getting the right QB will define Grier's eval ability more than anything else so he HAS to get this right.
     
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  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I'll actually respect Grier a lot if was able to build a really solid club that could get to becoming a legit 10-12 team without a franchise QB, because that's harder. We all want a great QB, but its hard to do.

    My feeling on the new front office and coaching staff is that they haven't accomplished anything yet, so I'm going be completely skeptical until they prove that they deserve to be taken seriously.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    First order of business is to identify a franchise one.. Enter Kyler Murray..

    Make sure his commitment is all about football and there will be no bailing when adversity strikes..he must be committed to the long term..If you sense anything short of 100 percent passion about football then move on.

    If your convicted he is, all we need to do is get to the #5 spot..
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree here when it comes to Grier..

    I won’t take that approach with our new coach though..He deserves the right to implement his complete philosophy, instill his culture, and the time it takes to find his own type of players.
     
  14. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    And I reserve the right to disagree with and dislike anything that they do, from day one going forward. Same as I did with Philbin and Gase. When there's evidence on Sundays that I like what I see, then they'll start to earn my confidence gradually.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think we all think like that to some degree..I’m also a believer in allowing the philosophy of the new coach to take affect, unless Ive identified some serious red flags in the beginning I’ve got to allow him to implement his philosophy..
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    If Kyler Murray is there, draft him. If not do their best to set up to draft a qb in 2020.

    Try to trade Tannehill. If no one bites cut him
     
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  17. Deus ex dolphin

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    A one year wonder, smaller than even Brees or Wilson, may not be able to take the hits at the NFL level and stay healthy, might be more interested in a baseball career. Those are enough reasons NOT to trade up for Murray.

    On the other hand, if the kid seems to have that 'it' factor? Swing for the fences and draft him at #13 or maybe a small trade down and then pick him up. If they manage to trade Tanny away for a third or fourth rounder, then you can think about moving up from the second round to get Murray.

    In a perfect world, we trade Tanny for a third rounder, trade down to the late teens in the first round (getting another third rounder) and then pick up Murray (who turns into the next Wilson).
     
  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    There are players playing position that have a lot more hits that are good size.
    QB is very protected. As long as different RG3 it and plays smart this shouldn't be an issue
     
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  19. Miamiforlife

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    I can’t get over how locks throws remind me of marino. Straight bullets. Even long throws. Since marino is a god in my eyes. I feel my view is biased. Always wanted another marino. Is there even such a thing? Imagine marino in todays game.
     
  20. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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  21. Tin Indian

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    The only guy in this draft worth drafting in the 1st is Murray. If you can't get him for whatever reason you start building your offensive and defensive lines. In the mid to later rounds grab Easton Stick as a developmental guy, then you make your move in a much better QB class in 2020.
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    My personal opinion of where I would rate the top of this year's QB class:

    1. Haskins - mid first round
    2. Lock - late first to second round
    3. Daniel Jones - mid second to third round
    4. Will Grier - third to fourth round
     
  23. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fixed that slight oversight for ya Lucky!
     
  24. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    LOL, hardly. He's not on my personal board.
     
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  25. Nappy Roots

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    Okay, so you would take Lock at 13?
     
  26. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I think that Lock is worth of being taken at #13. However, given that the Fins need a total reboot from the ground up, and that that 2020 class is likely to have as many as five players as good or better than Lock, I vote drafting a player at a different position or trading down this year. You cannot ignore the big picture.
     
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  27. texanphinatic

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    If we pass on Murray we would be making a huge mistake. Haskins as well should be under consideration. I dont think either guy gets to us, so moot point. If we can't find a good trade up deal, I'm ok standing pat or moving down.

    I dont see the point in blowing a lower round pick on a QB unless it's the Buffalo kid ... Jackson? Otherwise it's a waste imo.
     
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  28. Irishman

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    Foreword progress means not going backwards.

    Keep Tannehill & Fales until you can get known better replacements. Draft a QB or two and see how things work out in training camp. With a new coach & game plan, the incumbent QB's don't hold any solid advantages except for experience. One training camp will tell the coaches all they really need to know about the current QB's.

    It is easier to say what needs to be done this year then being effective doing it. I don't see a lot of real QB strength in this draft, but who really knows how these guys might pan out. We do need to try.
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    why on earth would you want tannehill on the roster, the guy has shown time and time again he’s really flawed.like really..
    Jmo, under no circumstance would tannehill be on the roster, that’s backwards..
     
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  30. thetylernator

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    Pass on a QB high this year. The consensus top three are too polarizing for my taste.

    Murray: abundance of questions ranging from his desire to his physical measures.
    Haskins: uncertainty if skills will translate.
    Lock: one of the most raw players I've ever seen--on par with Paxton Lynch and Jake Locker.

    The most NFL-ready QB is one that's consistently been overlooked, that being Duke's Daniel Jones. IMO, he's the only guy worth taking in the 1st. An argument can be made for Murray.

    However, if we're truly rebuilding, you play to the draft's strengths--this year, that's defensive line, and defense in general. We can secure one of Rashan Gary, Jeffery Simmons, Christian Wilkins, Montez Sweat, and Clelin Ferrell--guys who would, in any other draft class, be candidates for top 5 selection. Continue building the trenches into the 2nd, perhaps with Elgton Jenkins (C), and then start looking at what QB's are on the board.

    I like Clayton Thorson and Jarrett Stidham as 3rd and 4th round picks, respectively. Pair one of them with Luke Falk and a veteran QB, and may the best man win.

    If none of those guys look promising after the season, great! 2020 is shaping up to challenge the 2012 QB class in terms of prospective talent. You're looking at guys like Jake Fromm, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Shea Patterson, and (my personal favorite) Jacob Eason as potential 1st round talents. We may have our pick of the whole litter.
     
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  31. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets

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    Can we trade THill for a 2nd or third? Nothing less. Or packaged with 13 to move up. Thats all the deals I would take until you prove an even swap or an upgrade somehow. I don't see any upgrades out there right now honestly. Just cutting him would be dumb.

    I would really like to see what Luke Falk can do. That kid was a baller in College.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    So who do we get to write the foreword?
     
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  33. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    To have less dead cap space in 2020.
     
  34. Surfs Up 99

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    I know you are a big fan of Murray. I know this might be tough to answer, but how would you say he ranks compared to the QBs in class 2020?
     
  35. Mike8272

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    The way I see it we have the following options:

    1. Draft a quarterback high this year and retain Ryan Tannehill. In this example we use the Kansas City Chiefs approach. We start RT and let the rookie sit and develop under the new coaching staff. By going down this route it means we won't be drafting someone in 2020 because the 2019 quarterback would be the starter in 2020. It would also mean we are confident that someone in this year's class - be it Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Drew Lock - are the long term answer to this team's quarterback position.

    2. Draft a quarterback this year and ditch Ryan Tannehill. In this example we throw the rookie to the wolves. If he succeeds, he can become the guy for this team and we don't need to look to 2020 for a quarterback. However, if he fails or struggles and we end up in a position to draft one of the top prospects in 2020, we can do that and retain the 2019 player as our backup quarterback or look to trade him for whatever we can get in return. This is the old draft a quarterback until you get one approach.

    3. Draft no one and ditch Ryan Tannehill. We can make RT a post June-1 cut and save $18,750,000 in cap space. Yes we take a hit in dead money to the tune of nearly $8 million, but in this scenario we aren't going to be concerned about the dead money because we are tanking for 2020. In this scenario we put Luke Falk, Jake Ruddock, David Fales and Brock Osweiler into a quarterback battle. I'm sure we could re-sign Fales and Osweiler to team friendly contracts and both players would happily take the opportunity to compete for the starting gig with us, or we can bring in other off the street quarterbacks to compete with Jake Ruddock and Luke Falk.

    I do not see a scenario in which we give Ryan Tannehill another chance as viable outside of him being the bridge quarterback in option one.

    Which option would I pick?

    I would select option two. I don't think we have to draft someone in the first round unless someone too good to miss falls to us. Kyler Murray is currently a trending pick for us, and while I'd be open to his selection, I do think we are going to have other tempting prospects available when we are on the clock. Devin White the stud linebacking might be available, or one of the young pass rush options like Montez Sweat could be available, both players could help this team's defense significantly long term. So we could then consider Ryan Finley from NC State, Clayton Thornsen from Northwestern, and Will Grier from West Virginia as viable options on day two of the draft. If we hit on a quarterback great news. If we don't they can become the backup next year. Just draft someone until we hit on someone. I guess we could draft someone on day two and keep RT, but if we aren't going to see the rookie play it is going to be difficult to judge them as the future of this team if RT continues to start.

    I am not particularly in favour of outright tanking next season. We have seen quarterback prospects hyped fail to live up to that hype. Matt Barkley is a prime example. Had he come out of college the year before he could have been the second or third quarterback off the board after Andrew Luck and possibly RGIII. Instead he stayed in college and became a fourth round pick that has never quite made it. Sometimes quarterbacks don't live up to they hype, and I would have reservations tanking for Herbert. I can see the appeal of Tua or Fromm, but are they special enough to warrant tanking for? I'm not convinced. Plus I think Tua can return to college if I'm not mistaken, and I'm not sure if Fromm can return as well. So if someone was really against coming here if we land the top pick, then we could end up in a bad situation with no one viable to select. So I'd rather draft someone this year and if they work out, great; but if they don't, draft the best available to us next year and keep doing that until we hit on someone.
     
  36. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised to see the love for Murray on this forum. I figured it would go the other way. I myself am all on board with drafting him. I think he's an electric player and I know his size scares some people off, but I think he'd be able to overcome it. If we came out of this draft with either him or Drew Lock i'd be ecstatic about next season. We probably wouldn't be a playoff team, but Murray or Lock would definitely give us hope for the future. I just think we need to draft heavily (if necessary) at the quarterback position until we find a consistent mainstay at the position. I've said that all along. Tannehill had his opportunities, he got his massive contract, the team waited on him through an injury, we went through basically three head coaches with him, we know what he can do. I think we need to draft early at the position and sign a veteran to be a possible bridge if necessary. I realize that many of you want us to tank, but there are better ways to go about "tanking". Watching Jake Ruddock lead the offense to a 1-15 record would be an absolute nightmare of a season and life is too short to sit through something like that again. If we're going to lose, lets lose with an exciting player at the QB position. Both Lock and Murray have that potential "it" factor, both are fearless passers, both will be starters in this league. I am absolutely all aboard the Kyler Murray train, I think he's going to be box office.

    To follow this up, (edited) if we do decide to go the veteran route, I would absolutely love for us to take a look at acquiring Jacoby Brissett. I think the Colts want to hold on to him and their GM Ballard is going to want more than he's worth, but if we could get him, I think he will also be a starter for a long time in the league given the right opportunity.
     
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  37. Mike8272

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    Fans seem to be more willing to take that chance on Kyler Murray because of the recent success of quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson. I think Jon Gruden made a good point the other day when he said that he used to have a prototype for what he looked for in an NFL player or QB, but they come in all shapes and sizes now, so you have to look at a lot of different things. And when it comes to Murray, sure he doesn't have ideal size, but he does possess excellent arm strength and athleticism. If he goes to the right team he could be able to have success. Obviously there will always be a concern over him getting hurt because of his size, but like John Harbaugh said, he's not going to live in fear over Lamar Jackson getting hurt. He's going to let the kid go out there and be that play maker, and if we draft Kyler Murray, that is what we should do. If it works, great news; if it doesn't, next man up.
     
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  38. ripper1961

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    At 5'10' 195 lbs Murray scares me. When a 350 lb DT is chasing you down who wins that battle? The only successful QB in the modern era I can think of is Russell Wilson who would be considered undersize. But Wilson is like a tank. How long would this kid hold up?
     
  39. Irishman

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    Getting rid of a player just to be rid of him doesn't answer the most important reason for getting rid of him. If the player is that bad, who will replace him that is better? We are probably going to replace a lot of players in the next two years, but if we don't get better players, we are making ourselves worse. That is not progress, it is congress (the opposite of progress - reference the US Senate and the House of Representatives for "proof" ).

    This is why I advocate that we make sure we have a replacement who is at least as good and preferably, much better, before we "cut off our nose to spite our face" by just getting rid of a player! There can be other factors in play such as high salaries and cap limitations, but we need to:
    1) Grow our own players through the draft
    2) Fill what holes we can via Free Agency. This is limited by salary and the fact that many good FA's are on the downside of their careers with declining (not missing, just reduced) performance capabilities.
    3) Get control over our cap space so that we control the cap more then we are being controlled by the cap.

    In summary, we need to "look before we leap". Some of these old sayings like "look before you leap" and "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" are succinct ways of pointing out bad decision making techniques that people have made in the past and continue to make.
     
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    It's true! I have trouble with my Engrish.
     
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