Reports today say that Tua was placed on IR before he ever saw a neurosurgeon/neurosurgeon. What a load of BS. Either Tua is really thinking about retirement and asked for time to decide, or the NFL decided on their own that he goes to IR. With how we’ve seen the obvious bias against the Dolphins over the past two years I’m going with the latter. Also, this should put the “Tua is a system QB” talk to rest.
Again, that's kind of disingenuous. So it's either Tua, or no one? No, the backups behind Tua have been absolute trash. We need an actual starting caliber QB, at least, to run his system. And, if we continue to move forward with Tua, we really have to have something better than most teams have at backup, because Tua just can't be depended on to not get hurt.
Hey, I know a team that could use a GM. You looking for a new job? Yes I am joking, kind of, but truly believe half of us here could do better than our current GM. As long as we have Grier the team will keep taking it in the rear.
Come on now, I believe you have stated at one point that all this system is is getting the snap and throwing to a predetermined spot in 1.5 seconds to incredible playmakers. I believe you also said you yourself can run it.
LOL. Skylar couldn't even throw a Hail Mary without any pass rush on two separate occasions nevermind get a pass off in 1.5 seconds. This guy shouldn't be on an NFL roster.
We get it. All of a sudden you need a competent, starting quarterback caliber talent to run the system now.
Yep. That's why you wanted to give Tua a big deal. You've been arguing that Tua is a starting caliber QB!
Thanks. Haven't seen that. My lord that route is confusing. All I can think of is they were trying to do something shorter and then lateral? Wonder what the play was before that. Anyway. Throw the damn ball anyway! Skylar made Tannehill's pocket presence look good.
No, you've been arguing the last 3 years that you can plant a below average to average quarterback into an elite system, with elite playmakers and produce great to elite stats.
Not really. All we’ve heard is that most any QB could come in and win because of “the system”, “Tyreek”, etc. You’d think that even a bad QB could come in with these same things and score more than 3 points in nearly 6 quarters. Now, however, we’re hearing how bad the entire team is now that Tua is hurt. Lol… So which is it? Because it sure seems as if it’s mostly Tua. I agree that we need a better contingent plan because we just can’t trust Tua to not try and run over DB’s. BTW, I just watched Allen run up the middle in nearly the exact same way, at the same exact area of the field, and he slide. Dumb decision by Tua.
Again, you're acting like we've said that Tua was a bad QB. We didn't, that was never our argument. Our argument was that Tua was not capable of playing anywhere near elite levels without monsters around him, he disappeared in big games, and that physical limitations and injury problems made him a poor long term investment.
Right. Here's my post describing Tua average to above average: "I don't think the difference matters much. The system and talent around him is what matters. Thrust an average/above average QB into an elite system, and you may get elite results, or very much above average ones no matter the year you do it in their career. What was important for Tua wasn't more experience in the league but getting out of Flores' system and getting a generational WR, not playing through injuries, and skipping the best pass defense twice." https://thephins.com/threads/no-contract-extension-for-tua-yet.98495/page-3#post-3564992 Skylar isn't an above average QB, he's not an average QB, and he's not even a below average QB. A below average QB is STILL a starting QB in this league. Skylar is not starting quality. He's not even backup quality. Boyle came in and looked so much better. That should be all you need to see. He'll probably be booted off the practice squad if the Dolphins org have any brains.
Sure but if someone had argued that even an average or below average QB could run this offense, which was what was said/implied, then Skylar still wouldn't fit the bill because he's not even good enough to qualify for below average. Lol
Hill was one of the most productive last year. Maybe not so much this year becasue of the QB situation. Guys blowing out their knees and achilleas are not on Grier. I'm not defending him AT ALL. His lack of attention to the O line has been horrendous.
The part about him at the wine tasting? S---. Merril Hoge reacts to Tua Tagovailoa’s shocking concussion, weighs his retirement
I've always liked Merril as a commentator. You will never hear any amount of BS come out of his mouth.
Merril Hodge might be right but if he had $200+ million on the table he might be singing a different tune. I saw an interview with Steve Young and he actually made a lot of sense on the flip side. He said how people don't understand how hard it is to walk away from the only thing you're good at professionally. Tell a plumber at 40 years old to stop being a plumber. Tell a lawyer the stress is going to kill him at a young age and see if he quits being a lawyer. Tell a 40 year old nurse her back is going to put her on permanent disability if she doesn't stop transferring patients. Maybe he should but it's going to be extremely hard for Tua to walk away from football at 26.
I agree, and disagree. It's not like he doesn't have millions. It's not the same as the plumber. If the plumber had already earned $10 million add a plumber, and you tell him can never be a plumber again. He'd never be a plumber again. Imo
You can’t see a concussion on an MRI or CT. If there’s brain damage itnwouod likely be from a stroke. And we’d all know if he had a stroke by now.
Excellent point. That is exactly why I said despite how much he might not want to right now he needs to ignore that competitive inner voice, and listen to the opinion of his non-team doctor's and the mother of his children.
And not people on the internet who know virtually nothing of his situation, ambitions, life, family, wants, needs, etc.
I would hope that is never a factor in anyone's personal decisions. I damn sure don't let it factor into mine.
You’re assuming the independent neurologists he’s visiting as well as his wife are urging him to retire. No one here know who is saying what to Tua, so until we’re told what has been said and by whom, picking up the Pom poms and cheering for Tua to go one direction or the other is nonsensical.
No, you're putting words in my mouth. I said I hope he listens to them above all else. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, based on your well documented anti-Tua bias, it sure read like that’s what you were saying. Disclaimers tend to help clarify.
You sound like a politician saying anyone who disagrees with you has a bias. The only thing I have ever said is that he lacks arm strength. That isn't bias. That is sticking to facts. I have said multiple times I like him, I have said multiple times he has many good qualities as a QB, and I have been clear as long as he is our quaterback I will root for him to excel. Arm strength will never be one of those qualities.
Dude you and a few others on here suggested that Skylar Thompson start for this team over Tua! Yes! You guys did! There were some of you on here doing that. I am not going to dig it up, but it's a fact that some on here suggested it. If you did not...Then I apologize, but I seem to remember you doing it. It's ok either way. What exactly qualifies for "average" in this league? Even average quarterbacks were at one time either starters or drafted in the early rounds with the expectations of being starters. Andy Dalton, Baker Mayfield, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Sam Howell, Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Jimmy Garropolo. All of them are backups except for Mayfield. Darnold is a backup who is starting due to injury. To me, these are the mediocre QB's of the NFL at this current moment. I personally believe that we would win or be winning games with any one of them starting over Skylar Thompson. I'm excluding rookies here, but if you take the rest of the backups in this league, they aren't going to give you much more than Thompson is. Taylor Heinecke? Tyson Bagnet? Jake Haener, Brandon Allan, Cooper Rush? Those teams are dead in the water if they lose their starter. Tua was that important to us and there's really no arguing that at this point. Tua is the difference between this team winning 11-12 games vrs 3-4 games in a full season. We're screwed. With that being said, my confidence would be soaring right now had we added any one of the average names you see listed above in the offseason because to me...Those are your average QBs of the league. The rest are well below average until proven otherwise. Also, I do agree with those that say the "system" does matter to a certain extent. For example, Justin Fields would be terrible here in Miami. He's winning in Pittsburgh right now because Tomlin runs a conservative offense with a mistake free gameplan in place. The offensive line for Pitt is solid and their defense keeps them in games. They grind out wins and as long as Fields doesn't make too many mistakes, they can win games. With that being said, Russell Wilson was supposed to be the starter. So system definitely matters. Malik Willis with Green Bay is another example. He'd be awful here in my opinion. This offense requires a quarterback who can make a quick read and get the ball out accurately and on time. The problem is that Skylar Thompson, Ted Bridgewater, Tim Boyle...These guys don't have the talent and ability to do what Tua does for this offense. Now if you take a guy like Winston, Carson Wentz, Mayfield (three very high picks), Sam Howell, and possibly Darnold (top 3 pick)...Guys that have the talent, but just haven't been able to unlock it and put them in this offense, then yes...They'd flourish in my opinion. QBs have a long shelf life and these guys would be rejuvenated under Mike McDaniel. So with that said, the problem isn't McDaniel in my opinion, and It's certainly not Tua (other than him getting injured). The problem is that Chris Grier arrogantly ignored the backup quarterback position this past offseason and it has come back to bite him. The same can be said about the offensive line. That's the other thing. Sam Darnold is looking good with Minnesota right now. A big part of that is because he has a nice offensive line in front of him giving him time. BTW, why is it that both Darnold and Mayfield were downright AWFUL in Carolina and now both are quality starters in this league with their new teams? It makes ya wonder just a little bit about Bryce Young does it not??? I mean give these guys a stable environment to play in, put a quality offensive line in front of them and watch them blossom. It happens. Right now, we're not only suffering from horrific quarterback play, but also horrific protection up front. We'll be lucky to win four games this year. Grier needs to be fired the moment the season ends.
That is true, but if you think you are going to get the full accounting and a full picture of what has been said and by whom, you are fooling yourself.
It's like I haven't already addressed this. I was on board with that for a half second after Skylar had to play without any first team reps and I liked what I saw. Stop pretending he played like this and I came out saying he should start over Tua. GTFO
