Dolphins not expected to re-sign OG Richie Incognito

Saw that report last night and did not think it was to early to make predictions one way or another Cap's thinking was "the Oline struggled so they won't try to sign him" which may or may not be true in Rotten..err...Nice Richie Incognito's case.

What I really do not want is retaining Joe Berger at Center, that would be a colossal mistake.

"padre31 wrote:

Saw that report last night and did not think it was to early to make predictions one way or another Cap's thinking was "the Oline struggled so they won't try to sign him" which may or may not be true in Rotten..err...Nice Richie Incognito's case.

What I really do not want is retaining Joe Berger at Center, that would be a colossal mistake.

Absolutely! With troubles at center and Vernon Carey getting old and slow why would we consider ridding ourselves of a very talented guy like this one? This makes zero sense to me.

BS, they just reported a few weeks ago there were ongoing negotiations with him and Soliai. Makes no sense to give up a guy that was ranked 17th among guards in the NFL and keep an underperfroming center. a RG that is questionable, a RT that is limping and Garner who knows what the foot will do ? No, its a slow time and no movement from anywhere means a lot of poo being thrown on the wall by the press and see what sticks.

Another thought is right now many teams are offering squat to the players to re-sign and both the playes and the agents are not taking the bait. I have heard nothing from no where or any other team that has signed any of its players outside of a punter and some so so guys. Like I said, its slooooooooow news. Even the NFL Channel bloows. I am sick of SOUND FX and WHO WAS THE BEST LH QB and blah blah blah.

Not saying the parties will agree on terms but tell ya what, we let Incognito walk, he will be on a roster as soon as FA starts somewhere and will start.

Could Davis' issues be due to him being 33 (in 2011) and weighing 370+ pounds? Typically players need to get a little lighter as they age.

I think it'd be wise for us to keep Incognito around at center.

"Muck wrote:

Could Davis' issues be due to him being 33 (in 2011) and weighing 370+ pounds? Typically players need to get a little lighter as they age.

I think it'd be wise for us to keep Incognito around at center.

Bingo !!!!!!!!!!! add to that, Leonard Davis is probably looking for silly type money to stay if he is a FA, not sure but he is not worth a bundle of dough. AZ Cardinals found out why the Jets cut Faneca real fast this past season.

I think we'll see both Soliai and Incognito wearing our uniforms next year regardless of what Fox says. That being said I think Fox news has slid into the rubbish pile with reports like this.

"cobrajet wrote:

But hey, there hasn't been a damn thing this team has done so far with the yearly rebuilding of the offensive line that has made any sense to date - why start now? If they let this guy go I would stand in awe of how stupid Sporano (an offensive line guru) really is. Another year, another offensive line . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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I don't understand this at all. It's pretty obvious what happened with Jake Grove and Justin Smiley and why the line needed to be revamped.

Incognito was a pretty solid fill-in player, but that's about it. He was a good stone to turn over and see if they could turn into something better, but he frankly wasn't all that good. Having a bad interior of the line doesn't mean you need to hold on to the least mediocre performing player you have there with a death grip.

"padre31 wrote:

What I really do not want is retaining Joe Berger at Center, that would be a colossal mistake.

Berger played very well there in 2009. If they have a pretty good idea why it is he didn't continue to play that was in '10 and how they can fix it, they most certainly can retain him.

I'm kind of curious what the "highlight" clips they are showing of some of these players on the network broadcast of home games that we've got this idea that Joe Berger was horrendous and Richie Incognito was an adequate center.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Berger played very well there in 2009. If they have a pretty good idea why it is he didn't continue to play that was in '10 and how they can fix it, they most certainly can retain him.

The sooner a mistake is corrected the quicker it ceases being a mistake.

I'm kind of curious what the "highlight" clips they are showing of some of these players on the network broadcast of home games that we've got this idea that Joe Berger was horrendous and Richie Incognito was an adequate center.

When Richie I played Center at the end of the yr the running game really improved, after a season of watching R+R getting stuffed at the LOS that was a delightful diversion...

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't understand this at all. It's pretty obvious what happened with Jake Grove and Justin Smiley and why the line needed to be revamped.

OL re-vamp? Outside of a revolving door of talent what did the new OL do for us over the old OL? They wouldn't know talent if they saw it and Richie is a solid talent. If they want to re-vamp something they should address the QB and RB situation and stop the endless fiddling where it doesn't belong.

Any reports like this at this time of year need to be taken with a grain of salt, what with the misdirection games Ireland likes to play, and especially if FA comes after the draft this year. Richie didn't shine at guard, but looked pretty good at center in limited action. He does need a lot of work at the shotgun snap. But he's got the right physical makeup for a center and should really be given the chance to win that job.

"padre31 wrote:

When Richie I played Center at the end of the yr the running game really improved, after a season of watching R+R getting stuffed at the LOS that was a delightful diversion...

He played Center in a single game.

cobrajet wrote:

OL re-vamp? Outside of a revolving door of talent what did the new OL do for us over the old OL?

The old OL cannot line up and play anymore. I don't know how this can be more clear- They had to get rid of Justin Smiley and Jake Grove because they were physically breaking down. The injuries they suffered in the 2009 season ended Jake Grove's career, and will likely end Justin Smiley's as well. When we traded Smiley to the Jaguars he reportedly couldn't raise his arm above his shoulder, and his lack of strength makes him a liability. The Jaguars benched him fairly early last season for the guy he was supposed to replace.

They didn't cut Jake Grove and Justin Smiley because they didn't perform well when they were healthy. It wasn't perfectionism, or churning the roster, or anything like that. Keeping those two players would have meant a worse offensive line than we had.

cobrajet wrote:

They wouldn't know talent if they saw it and Richie is a solid talent. If they want to re-vamp something they should address the QB and RB situation and stop the endless fiddling where it doesn't belong.

A stellar recipe for failure. They didn't do well with this round of linemen, but avoiding it would simply be negligence.

Richie sucked...good..

Yeah, I hear Will Allen is a goner too...

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=692769-dolphins-expected-to-release-will-allen

"cobrajet wrote:

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=695254-dolphins-not-expected-to-re-sign-richie-incognito

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3291/player?r=1

If this is true I would be very disappointed. Incognito is a multi-talented OL player that has matured nicely from his fighting / penalty days and could do nothing but help us. In fact this report is so nuts that if it didn't come from Adam Caplan at Fox Sports I wouldn't believe it.

But hey, there hasn't been a damn thing this team has done so far with the yearly rebuilding of the offensive line that has made any sense to date - why start now? If they let this guy go I would stand in awe of how stupid Sporano (an offensive line guru) really is. Another year, another offensive line . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Lets hope that this report is just bull s____.

It says Adam Caplan just started at Fox sports, Prior to this I have never heard of him.

Take it for what it's worth. He doesn't even report that this information came from sources inside the organization. It just says he's not expected to be re-signed by the team because he didn't play at a high level. That could very well just be his own conclusion, especially since it has been reported in the past that they have talked with Incognito's agent about re-signing him.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

Take it for what it's worth. He doesn't even report that this information came from sources inside the organization. It just says he's not expected to be re-signed by the team because he didn't play at a high level. That could very well just be his own conclusion, especially since it has been reported in the past that they have talked with Incognito's agent about re-signing him.

Its combine week. Is it not unusual something like this surfaces right before it ? As I said, during combine week every GM and every player agent is in attendance. While it is not to go on ( wink wink ). Outside of looking at the players at the combine, the main ingredient going on in restaurants and lounges is seeing what team is interested in you client and what they are offering for his services. There would not be a better time for any GM or team that is negotiating with a player and cannot agree on a price to let out certain information TO BE RELIABLE that they were not going to sign said player. The LEAST it would do is make the agent work harder in other teams that were interested in said player.

Omar Kelly is Omar but he reported in January that the team may not be interested in keeping Allen. Like I said, its Omar but still, a local guy that does have ties to the daily opeation of the team. This guy Caplan is taking a stab in the dark or like I said, a plan set into effect by a team that cannot come to $$$$$$ terms with a player they really want to resign. Casting a shadow is an old way of doing things and believe me, Ireland and Sparano would do whatever it takes to keep their jobs.

"cobrajet wrote:

OL re-vamp? Outside of a revolving door of talent what did the new OL do for us over the old OL? They wouldn't know talent if they saw it and Richie is a solid talent. If they want to re-vamp something they should address the QB and RB situation and stop the endless fiddling where it doesn't belong.

Stay healthy and not cost a lot of money?

I never thought it'd be possible to potentially see our line worse off than 08 after an Oline Head Coach took over the team. If Carey doesn't heal & Richie walks, then that's exactly what could happen unless the draft or FA changes things.

Richie was very versatile when other linemen went out. He did a decent job at it to.

Incognito has versatility & is scrappy, Berger is a disaster, need a starting left guard & center with pro-bowl potential from this draft. the longer I watch Sparano operate the more I think they guy is an idiot.

keepers: Long, Carey, Murtha, Incognito, Jerry & Garner
starters: Long_?_?_?_Carey

Well it all depends if Incognito wants big time money. If he does you have to let him walk, he is average at best.

I said it when we signed him last year that we would be regretting only giving him 1 year.