Dolphins Need Receivers....

IMO, our top need is at CB. Finnegan was - at best - a bandaid. J Taylor is OK. Jimmy Wilson is god awful.
Our WR corps is good, but not great. what they lack is any kind of end zone threat at the position.

receiver is definitely a need, especially when you consider the strong possibility that both Hartline and Gibson won't be here next year.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

IMO, our top need is at CB. Finnegan was - at best - a bandaid. J Taylor is OK. Jimmy Wilson is god awful.
Our WR corps is good, but not great. what they lack is any kind of end zone threat at the position.

I see that as a TE need, not WR, although it could be argued either way I suppose.

LBsFinest wrote:

receiver is definitely a need, especially when you consider the strong possibility that both Hartline and Gibson won't be here next year.

Yeah, this is the sort of comment that inspired this thread. Can you give a reason why R is a "definite need"? Saying Hartline and Gibson won't be here isn't really a reason.

"Galant wrote:

I see that as a TE need, not WR, although it could be argued either way I suppose.

Yeah, this is the sort of comment that inspired this thread. Can you give a reason why R is a "definite need"? Saying Hartline and Gibson won't be here isn't really a reason.

This season we're fine. But if both Hartline and Gibson are gone, it's absolutely a need. You then only have 3 WRs on the roster when you typically need 5/6.

Adding a WR with size would also be nice for both the endzone and perimeter. Currently, we have no one who can win a jump ball on the perimeter. A guy you can just chuck it to deep and he'll go and get it.

WR is like the 7th biggest need on this team

The team doesn't gain a lot by cutting Hartline. I'm not sure why some are calling for him to be released. Gibson likely will be. Big cap savings and he's clearly no better than 4th on the depth chart right now.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

The team doesn't gain a lot by cutting Hartline. I'm not sure why some are calling for him to be released. Gibson likely will be. Big cap savings and he's clearly no better than 4th on the depth chart right now.

In pretty sure we can save 4mil by cutting Hartline...

"FinNasty wrote:

In pretty sure we can save 4mil by cutting Hartline...

It's closer to 7 I believe

Some people just feel that in order to be successful and have a "legit" WR corps, you need Megatron, AJ Green, Dez on your team. This is despite the fact that the most successful offenses.....NE, GB, IND, PHI, don't. Our WR corps isn't sexy. But it is effective.

"FinNasty wrote:

In pretty sure we can save 4mil by cutting Hartline...

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According to Over the Cap, we'd save 3.1 by cutting Hartline, but take a 4.2 dead money hit. Going upside down like that doesn't seem wise to me unless we had a lot of free cap space and wanted to get him off the books clear in 2016. I doubt thats the case.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

It's closer to 7 I believe

No, it's really not. In fact, we won't save all much by cutting Hartline. His salary for next season is 5.9 million. If you cut him then 3/5th of his 7 million dollar signing bonus gets accelerated into the cap, which is about 4.2 million. Hence you're only saving about 1.7 million against the cap unless you designate him a post June 1st cut.

I wouldn't put WR as a top need but if we have the chance to replace Hartline with someone faster and more physical there is no reason we shouldn't.

"Alex44 wrote:

I wouldn't put WR as a top need but if we have the chance to replace Hartline with someone faster and more physical there is no reason we shouldn't.

I'm definately not opposed to drafting a bigger WR to take over as a long term option (maybe as soon as 2016), but I'd say there's better than a 90% chance that Wallace, Landry and Hartline are our top 3 WR going into 2015.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I'm definately not opposed to drafting a bigger WR to take over as a long term option (maybe as soon as 2016), but I'd say there's better than a 90% chance that Wallace, Landry and Hartline are our top 3 WR going into 2015.

As long as Hartline is our #2 option we will be leaving yards and points on the field over the course of the seasons he plays. In my opinion he's just not very talented in terms of being a flexible player. Right now he's a square peg in a round hole.

If nothing else I'd like to see if Matthews can overtake him.

Miami needs to dramatically restructure their wide receivers this off-season. They should be cutting Hartline, Gibson, and if they can't trade him, Wallace(with the June 1st designation). All three of them are overpaid and under-performing.

Size would be nice, but someone with big play ability is more important. They don't have that right now.

"PhinishLine wrote:

Some people just feel that in order to be successful and have a "legit" WR corps, you need Megatron, AJ Green, Dez on your team. This is despite the fact that the most successful offenses.....NE, GB, IND, PHI, don't. Our WR corps isn't sexy. But it is effective.

Can't help but notice you left out Denver. Dallas is also one of the better offenses in the league right now due in large part to dez. Oh and you think Jordy Nelson doesn't belong with those guys? *hint:right he's better than all of them*

"Disgustipate wrote:

Miami needs to dramatically restructure their wide receivers this off-season. They should be cutting Hartline, Gibson, and if they can't trade him, Wallace(with the June 1st designation). All three of them are overpaid and under-performing.

Size would be nice, but someone with big play ability is more important. They don't have that right now.

Wallace isn't a #1 WR... but he can be a nice piece to a WR corps. And we'll pay more if we cut him than if we keep him next year... so he's here unless he gets traded.

Looking at what the Dolphins have been able to achieve on the field this season I have to say that we're doing fine at WR. Upgrades are always possible but we're fine. The ball is moving, catches are being made. The big problem, as many have noted, is in the red zone, but for me that is a tight-end issue, we have no real depth there, and even Clay is someone I see has a great TE in the open field, but nothing special in the end-zone. Bringing in a big tight end would ease that whole scenario (I think a good part of the red zone problems come down to play calling and the lack of power-house running due to RB and OL).

Last night at Denver might be a solid example. The offense did a great job, although the removal of James saw T17 under more pressure, and the run game slowly dwindled. I believe that reinforcing the OL and the run game will do far more for the receiving game than playing musical chairs with receivers (especially because any problems in the run game and OL will adversely affect any WR play no matter who is brought in).

"FinNasty wrote:

This season we're fine. But if both Hartline and Gibson are gone, it's absolutely a need. You then only have 3 WRs on the roster when you typically need 5/6.

Adding a WR with size would also be nice for both the endzone and perimeter. Currently, we have no one who can win a jump ball on the perimeter. A guy you can just chuck it to deep and he'll go and get it.

Exactly. Other than the lack of size, I liked or receiver corp coming into the season. But looking forward it seems likely that we'll go into next season with just Wallace, Landry and Matthews on the team. At a minimum we'll need bodies at WR. And while I like those three, nobody would look at them and think, "we're set at WR".

I think the secondary remains the biggest area of need. Other than Grimes, I just don't have much confidence in anyone else in the entire secondary.

At safety, Jones plays well at times, but seems to disappear when the Dolphins go up against the better QB's in the NFL. Delmas has been a slight upgrade from Clemons, but he still isn't the impact type safety the better defenses seem to have.

CB is probably the biggest need at this time because other than Grimes, there really isn't another CB on the team who can be counted on to make plays in big games.

I think Jenkins probably had his worse game yesterday, but I still think he is a keeper at the LB position. I also liked what I saw from McCain earlier in the season, but the coaches don't seem to have a lot of confidence in him at this time. Hopefully with another off season, he can develop into a player who can be a starter on this team as an outside LB.

As far as Wheeler, Ellerbe and Misi are concerned, I really don't see any of them being an answer at the LB position for the Dolphins in the future. They all need to be replaced and hopefully the replacements will be found before the start of next season.

On offense the two biggest needs going into next season seem to be filling the two guard positions, once Pouncey returns to center. With Pouncey at center and James and Albert at the tackle positions, three out of five offensive line spots appear in good hands heading into next season. Perhaps Thomas will continue to improve and he can take over one of the guard positions.

Hickey and the coaches need to determine if one of the young offensive lineman can fill the other guard position next year or if this position needs to be filled in free agency or early in the draft.

I still feel that getting a big TE who can block and also get open down the middle of the field remains a big need for this team.

Depending on what the Dolphins decide to do with Hartline and Gibson after this season, the WR position may also be an area of need going into next season.

While it isn't a need early in the draft, I wouldn't mind seeing the Dolphins use a late round pick to replace Stugis. He has not been an upgrade from Carpenter and his inability to kick the ball through the end zone in Denver yesterday appears to show that his leg strength isn't as strong as it was suppose to be coming out of college.

"FinNasty wrote:

Wallace isn't a #1 WR... but he can be a nice piece to a WR corps. And we'll pay more if we cut him than if we keep him next year... so he's here unless he gets traded.

Wallace saves like $3-4 million if cut, and then like nearly $7 million vs. the '15 cap if he's a June 1st designation I believe.

There's also a rather big issue with Wallace behaving when you find that #1 guy, or someone who is getting "his" deep passing attempts. If Wallace is going to perform like he did in '13, he's detrimental to the offense.

wr is not that big of a need. OL, CB, TE are all bigger needs

"CaribPhin wrote:

This is a straw man argument. Bringing in Maclin would be a significant upgrade, so would Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and T.Y. Hilton. NE does it's damage with a huge TE who produces like a receiver. People believe that having good receivers is what makes you successful. By pretending like someone is saying we should have four Calvin Johnson's on this team, you're indicating that either you're not interested in actually discussing it, or you can't discuss it competently so you're making things up.

I don't see how. I'm not arguing for it. Some people just feel like you need a 6 foot 4 Calvin Johnson on the squad. These are people I talk to at the sports bar. It always goes back to...we need someone like Dez....we need someone like Calvin Johnson. I personally don't feel that way at all. I PREFER a GB or NE type of offense because they are super multiple. But there is an opinion out there that we have no ALPHA receiver. I'd take any of those guys you/I mentioned on my team. But, I don't think it's a huge need. We have plenty of needs on this team than saying we need T.Y. Hilton in order to make our WR corps work. Give Ryan some more time and those boys could get busy.

And have we not reached the quota on "hyperbole" and "strawman" yet? If not, we gotta be close.

Receiver is not a position of need on this squad. You can honestly debate about whether we are getting everything out of Wallace for what we are paying him and we could use a big endzone target. But need? I don't think so. And our secondary is pretty good too other than having 3 guys go down for the year in the last three games AND losing Finnegan for a couple games. They are the walking wounded out there. I also disagree on the assessment of Finnegan, he has played well as a number 2 corner for us. Sure could have used him yesterday. I am about over Mr Wilson though. I don't care how good he is supposed to be at the nickle. Offensive line is another banged up unit. Sure we could use a bit more depth there but what team couldn't.

Our single biggest weakness is the same as it was to start, Linebacker. We have had good play out of Misi, and Jenkins has been a nice surprise. But really isn't much depth and outside of Misi and Jenkins, who has played really well on that unit. Like to see more of McCain but the staff has reservations about him, apparently anyway.