Dolphins looking at WR Mike Williams

I really don't understand these guys, they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase but they bring in people like Williams for workouts.

"bluehaze wrote:

I really don't understand these guys, they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase but they bring in people like Williams for workouts.

Yeah, but Williams has never had 21 catches in a game. We don't want that kind of record-setting crap here.

Mike Williams has a lot of talent and i really like him as a player i think he will be a good NFL player if he doesnt quit the NFL

Being a huge cuse fan i can tell you this guy makes you go crazy. He's awesome to watch on the field but incredibly frustrating to hear about off the field. He put up great numbers at his time at syracuse on teams that were terrible. He has great speed and just knows how to get open deep...exactly what the phins need. I have no doubt that if we picked him he would be seeing playing time immeidiately. However, he is a bonehead and doesn't make great decisions. He is at that point where things could go anyway with him and i dont know if he's worth the risk.

He has a similar build to Michael Irvin, and I believe ran a 4.37...here are some highlights:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlFFS-KfMho

We draft players over trading for them so you can teach them the system when they are cheap and mold them in to the player you want them to be. And the system has done reasonably well by parcells dating back to his time with George young and the nyg.

WTF Im starting to think this Front Office refuses to bring in a wideout like they are trying to prove to the world they can take piles of **** and make them gold mines and get all the credit instead of just buying a proven commodity for the most obvious offensive lacking position on the team!

"bluehaze wrote:

I really don't understand these guys, they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase but they bring in people like Williams for workouts.

Maybe because he doesn't have the off the field baggage like Marshall does.

"Dorfdad wrote:

WTF Im starting to think this Front Office refuses to bring in a wideout like they are trying to prove to the world they can take piles of **** and make them gold mines and get all the credit instead of just buying a proven commodity for the most obvious offensive lacking position on the team!

Dez Bryant also has some character issues....would you rather use the 12th overall pick on a guy who could also become a head case, or maybe take a shot on a guy later on. Lots of guys mess up in college. Everyone said Vontae Davis had issues a couple years back. I just think if Williams did what he did with Greg Paulus (the Duke Point Guard) throwing it to him, he could have a lot of upside. I would not draft Williams in the first three rounds but I would from 4 onward.

"bluehaze wrote:

I really don't understand these guys, they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase but they bring in people like Williams for workouts.

Yeah they make no sense. They don't want a Stud at WR with some problems that stem from his late friends death Darrent Williams But they don't mind getting a guy like Mike Williams?

Hey I'm all for Mike Williams I think he can do big things as long as he doesn't pull the kinda **** he did at Syracuse.

If any of our draft guys see this.....what round would you say this guy should be slotted in?

"jetssuck wrote:

If any of our draft guys see this.....what round would you say this guy should be slotted in?

He is a projected 5-6 rounder.

Seems like a possible gem but definitely has off-field problems...he quit the Syracuse football team in the fall

"bluehaze wrote:

I really don't understand these guys, they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase but they bring in people like Williams for workouts.

He'll most likely go in the 3rd. Marshall will cost the 12th pick in the draft. Huge difference.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Yeah they make no sense. They don't want a Stud at WR with some problems that stem from his late friends death Darrent Williams But they don't mind getting a guy like Mike Williams?

Hey I'm all for Mike Williams I think he can do big things as long as he doesn't pull the kinda **** he did at Syracuse.

Yea, don't get me wrong Williams is talented no doubt but he seems like an even bigger headcase than Marshall. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean it's one thing if they stick to their guns and keep the headcases off the team but they are total hypocrites at this point to say they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase then go out and start signing players like Incognito and having workouts with players like Williams.

Man, I thought this was going to be about the USC Mike Williams... Either way it's pretty meh.

The difference being that Marshall will cost you dearly out of the gate. Williams, if he did come here and his off field issues became a problem it's not that big of an original investment.

There's no way in contracts to protect against off field issues, so guys like marshall who are proven but apparently also have off field issues come with a significant investment up front. If they become useless and an off field distraction the loss is significant.

"Roman529 wrote:

He has a similar build to Michael Irvin, and I believe ran a 4.37...here are some highlights:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlFFS-KfMho

anyone else wanna scream when they hear a female announcing football? sounds weird....and totally depresses the "football mood" for me.

"bluehaze wrote:

Yea, don't get me wrong Williams is talented no doubt but he seems like an even bigger headcase than Marshall. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean it's one thing if they stick to their guns and keep the headcases off the team but they are total hypocrites at this point to say they don't wan't Marshall because he's a headcase then go out and start signing players like Incognito and having workouts with players like Williams.

It makes perfect sense..spend a 6th rd pick on Mike Williams, if he is a screw up then we are out pick #207, spend the #12 on B Marshall and he is a screw up, then we are out the #12 and 25 million dollars or so...

Put it this way "they" are NOT going to invest heavily in a headcase player, they will take a chance on them, they are not going to spend money on them, or waste a high draft pick on them.

"The Aqua Crush wrote:

The difference being that Marshall will cost you dearly out of the gate. Williams, if he did come here and his off field issues became a problem it's not that big of an original investment.

There's no way in contracts to protect against off field issues, so guys like marshall who are proven but apparently also have off field issues come with a significant investment up front. If they become useless and an off field distraction the loss is significant.

You have to gamble either way so which is more likely to pan out? A proven top 5 WR already playing in the league with off field issues that will help us immediately or a middle round draft prospect with no NFL experience that also has off field issues that will take another couple years to even start to help us as much as the former if that even ever happens and that's only if he doesn't decide to quit like he did at Syracuse?

That is not even the point though... I am just baffled by these guys dragging their feet and being total hypocrites with regards to getting us a WR. Seems like they are just making excuses not to sign Marshall or whomever out of arrogance rather than morals at this point and it is rather frustrating.

They'd make it alot easier to get behind them if they actually stuck to their guns instead of blowing smoke up our asses.

Pad, didn't we just sign Incognito ..... so we do sign 'headcases' ... different types of course, but a headcase, nonetheless .....

I for one am still all for trading down, once or even twice, then trading our 1st rd pick to DEN for Marshall ..... then taking a flyer on Easley with one of the added picks (4/5).

additionally, if we were 'good' with our current lot of WRs as Sparano stated, why then would we look at Williams ..... we are missing a big 'something' from this current lot.

as an aside, i am curious to see just how much Mullen pushes Bess .... since he seems to be quicker (a better atribute for what we are askin from them).

we can 'hope' for something out or Pruitt or Johnson, but much like Walden and Johnston at LB, 'hope' is not a plan ....

just write into Marshalls new contract, clauses regarding conduct detrimental to the team ... so you could DX him if required.

"PHINANALYST wrote:

Pad, didn't we just sign Incognito ..... so we do sign 'headcases' ... different types of course, but a headcase, nonetheless .....

I for one am still all for trading down, once or even twice, then trading our 1st rd pick to DEN for Marshall ..... then taking a flyer on Easley with one of the added picks (4/5).

additionally, if we were 'good' with our current lot of WRs as Sparano stated, why then would we look at Williams ..... we are missing a big 'something' from this current lot.

as an aside, i am curious to see just how much Mullen pushes Bess .... since he seems to be quicker (a better atribute for what we are askin from them).

we can 'hope' for something out or Pruitt or Johnson, but much like Walden and Johnston at LB, 'hope' is not a plan ....

just write into Marshalls new contract, clauses regarding conduct detrimental to the team ... so you could DX him if required.

Incognito signed for less than a 3rd round pick would sign for, and if he is cut the damage is minimal...no draft pick, maybe 200k in a signing bonus.

As for RGM..keep in mind with CFLers, they have 2 yrs of practice squad time available to them, they make great insurance policies, if they happen to win a role, all the better.

RGM will have to make his bones returning kickoffs and punts to stick in Miami, barring an injury.

And in the NFL developing players is not "hope" it is a strategy..

You guys are complaining and we don't even know which round the Dolphins would take him at if they actually want to.

Pad, agree on strategy .... however, to me strategy is low draft picks and signing UDFA as projects to replace current players in a 2-3 year period. That is sound.

We do take chances like that, and its good .... BUT, when your strategy is to 'hope' that one of these players can replace a below average player currently in a position need and help the team right now -- then it becomes flawed. exactly how many Miles Austins has Parcells developed in his career -- i'd venture to guess it is less than 5. Same with OLBs ..... 2 areas of great need and 1 a Parcells staple.

Safe pick= let's draft this guy instead and pray to god he develops into more than we already have a roster full of, meanwhile we still don't have a red zone threat