Dolphins interested in Boldin?

I just dont know on this one,it'll cost us a pick,he's a disruption,and you know he'll want to renogotiate his contract,and to top it all off he's injury prone.

I would offer a #3 and Joey Porter in .0000003 seconds.

Call Wr "done" and then solve the Te and Screen passing issues.

probably not a good investment for many reasons

Well, lemmie first say that I am not a proponent for trading draft picks. I have stated this several times before. But, if we could get Q for a third (or later), and at a reasonable cost, I think it could be a really good move.

Q, when healthy, is one of the better (and tougher) WR's in the league. He would add an dimension to our receiving corp that I think we are lacking right about now. And. he's head and shoulders better than anyone else we have too (IMHO). A proven commodity if you will. I think he would make the whole unit better.

And, what if he can be had for a 4th? And, signed to an incentive laden contract? Man, he could be a steal.

Be interesting to see if where there's smoke there's fire.

"padre31 wrote:

I would offer a #3 and Joey Porter in .0000003 seconds.

Call Wr "done" and then solve the Te and Screen passing issues.

Pads thats the thing, I dont think WR would be done, remember Boldin had Fitz on the other side....how would Boldin hold up taking doubles every game?? he doesnt strike me as this guy who gets open at will....dont get me wrong, he is strong with the ball in his hands, but considering his injuries, can he or does he have that speed to get off the line as quick as he needs to...I'd do it for a 5th....

"The G Man wrote:

Well, lemmie first say that I am not a proponent for trading draft picks. I have stated this several times before. But, if we could get Q for a third (or later), and at a reasonable cost, I think it could be a really good move.

Q, when healthy, is one of the better (and tougher) WR's in the league. He would add an dimension to our receiving corp that I think we are lacking right about now. And. he's head and shoulders better than anyone else we have too (IMHO). A proven commodity if you will. I think he would make the whole unit better.

And, what if he can be had for a 4th? And, signed to an incentive laden contract? Man, he could be a steal.

Be interesting to see if where there's smoke there's fire.

that's the thing brother.....I say if you are going to fix the WR problem, do it right, and fix it once....do what u have to....but dont patch work it...and I cant see Q taking an incentive laden deal nor should he in an uncapped year..

I have been on record saying he is not the answer do to his injury history but for a 4th rounder he would be worth the risk.

"finyank13 wrote:

Pads thats the thing, I dont think WR would be done, remember Boldin had Fitz on the other side....how would Boldin hold up taking doubles every game?? he doesnt strike me as this guy who gets open at will....dont get me wrong, he is strong with the ball in his hands, but considering his injuries, can he or does he have that speed to get off the line as quick as he needs to...I'd do it for a 5th....

He had 730 snaps and still topped 1k yds, what Boldin would bring is a balance to Ginn or Hartline on the other side of the formation, who would they double?

And Boldin plays hurt that to me seals the deal, a #3 and Porter?

Even if we ate JP's roster bonus he would still be worth it.

Don't overvalue the #3 pick, and keep in mind how thin the FA wr class is this year, it is thin enough that it is worth while to lock in the player you want instead of openly bidding for a A Bryant.

he would be a stop-gap @ best, not a valid & lasting answer to the problem. would set us back in too many ways. Bryant is the way to go.

Still had 84 receptions and over 1000 yards. Anyone who wouldn't trade a third for him is crazy. Completely insane.

People tend to overvalue draft picks, especially fans. Sure, there's a tremendous amount of value to be had on draft day -- but only if you select the right players.

For purposes of illustrating my point, let's take a look at the Dolphins' third round draft selections since 2000. Sure, one could argue that the Dolphins have done a terrible job of drafting in the most recent decade, and I wouldn't argue with you. But this exercise is merely demonstrating the caliber of player we're dealing with when it comes to 3rd round selections.

2009 - Patrick Turner
2008 - Kendall Langford
2007 - Lorenzo Booker
2006 - Derek Hagan
2005 - Channing Crowder
2004 - None
2003 - Wade Smith and Taylor Whitley
2002 - Seth McKinney
2001 - Travis Minor and Morlon Greenwood
2000 - Ben Kelly

Its worth noting that Jason Taylor was a 3rd round selection, but that was the 1997 draft. Based on the names above, there's no reason to conclude that particular selection was anything more than an abberation.

Now believe me, I do value draft picks because the possibility always exists that a selection will turn out to be a tremendous value, a homerun, if you will (as evidenced by our 3rd round selection in 1997). Thus, trading them should be taken seriously, but that doesn't mean that you pass on making a play for the right player. As our friend Boomer has stated in the past -- "potential doesn't play on Sundays."

Also, just so you all know, I'm not in favor of trading for Anquan simply because I'm holding out hope that we'll have an opportunity to draft Dez Bryant with our first rounder.

"the 23rd wrote:

he would be a stop-gap @ best, not a valid & lasting answer to the problem. would set us back in too many ways. Bryant is the way to go.

Hmm..Patsies traded a #4 pick for a washed up Wr who was 30 and go 18-1..

"padre31 wrote:

He had 730 snaps and still topped 1k yds, what Boldin would bring is a balance to Ginn or Hartline on the other side of the formation, who would they double?

And Boldin plays hurt that to me seals the deal, a #3 and Porter?

Even if we ate JP's roster bonus he would still be worth it.

Don't overvalue the #3 pick, and keep in mind how thin the FA wr class is this year, it is thin enough that it is worth while to lock in the player you want instead of openly bidding for a A Bryant.

Not in a draft year that is deep, I deeply value that 3, I would much rather see them part with the 1st and get Brandon....but according to the article they aren't interested in him...I hope that isnt the case....I would live with giving up a 4th....I don't think opposing teams would double anybody if Boldin was on Miami....Boldin benefited from Fitz greatly IMO....

"padre31 wrote:

Hmm..Patsies traded a #4 pick for a washed up Wr who was 30 and go 18-1..

I would have traded 4th for Moss all day, the Raiders got burnt as usually on that trade.....

"MrPaul13 wrote:

I just dont know on this one,it'll cost us a pick,he's a disruption,and you know he'll want to renogotiate his contract,and to top it all off he's injury prone.

I'm having a problem with this one as well. IF we believe that we will be legit contenders this year, Boldin is the best option to help us. I'm not giving up a #1+ for Marshall, and cannot see us getting Dez, who are better choices.

IF we do not see our team as legit contenders THIS year, depending on CBA stuff, next season will offer a bunch of young STAR WR's who will be UFA's.

Food for thought.

This is a no brainer for a #3 so long as the cost doesn't bankrupt the franchise financially.

Who cares if he's a stop gap for 2, maybe 3 years? Heck even if he's injured often. Getting Boldin (who as I recall used to play the #1 spot in Arizona before Fitz right?), would mean we just spent a #3 pick, on a proven WR that we know can produce in the NFL right now from day one. He is physical, and everything that we knock our current #1 receiver, for not being.

How many picks do you look at in the draft that you think will be available at #3, that you can say that about?

The Phins Philosophy so far in the draft has been to double up at "needed" positions due to the potential for a bust. With this, we can wipe WR off the board, and now we're down to 2 critical positions that need to be addressed (NT, ILB), and one that we might want to snag if we see value (FS).

Then next year, or the year after we go back looking for another WR.

If Boldin gets injured, what happens? We go back to using the WRs we used last year, who while inconsistent kept us in, and won quite a few games.

"finyank13 wrote:

Pads thats the thing, I dont think WR would be done, remember Boldin had Fitz on the other side....how would Boldin hold up taking doubles every game?? he doesnt strike me as this guy who gets open at will....dont get me wrong, he is strong with the ball in his hands, but considering his injuries, can he or does he have that speed to get off the line as quick as he needs to...I'd do it for a 5th....

boldin didn't have fitz during his rookie year and had 1,377 yards...2nd most in his career.

"SeanP wrote:

This is a no brainer for a #3 so long as the cost doesn't bankrupt the franchise financially.

Who cares if he's a stop gap for 2, maybe 3 years? Heck even if he's injured often. Getting Boldin (who as I recall used to play the #1 spot in Arizona before Fitz right?), would mean we just spent a #3 pick, on a proven WR that we know can produce in the NFL right now from day one. He is physical, and everything that we knock our current #1 receiver, for not being.

How many picks do you look at in the draft that you think will be available at #3, that you can say that about?

The Phins Philosophy so far in the draft has been to double up at "needed" positions due to the potential for a bust. With this, we can wipe WR off the board, and now we're down to 2 critical positions that need to be addressed (NT, ILB), and one that we might want to snag if we see value (FS).

Then next year, or the year after we go back looking for another WR.

If Boldin gets injured, what happens? We go back to using the WRs we used last year, who while inconsistent kept us in, and won quite a few games.

I have to believe that Boldin will help Ginn, Hartline, Bess, Henne, and the team more than any 3rd rounder could possibly do.

Why are so many diminishing or forgetting the DIRE need at OLB? According to the Herald, the team is saying that is our biggest need, and I agree.

JP gone, JT very questionable, Wake played DE, and we are left with Anderson and Moses. And we think Crowder, Ayodele, and Torbor are bad?

"Alex44 wrote:

Still had 84 receptions and over 1000 yards. Anyone who wouldn't trade a third for him is crazy. Completely insane.

This, EXACTLY.
Somebody will offer up higher than our 3rd for him. :yes:

"dirtywhiteboy wrote:

boldin didn't have fitz during his rookie year and had 1,377 yards...2nd most in his career.

yeah at 23 years old, and injury free, now he is 30, and hasnt played a whole season in 2 years, and for that matter in his 7 year career, has played a full season just twice...he will be 30 this year....I just dont trust it..

"SeanP wrote:

This is a no brainer for a #3 so long as the cost doesn't bankrupt the franchise financially.

Who cares if he's a stop gap for 2, maybe 3 years? Heck even if he's injured often. Getting Boldin (who as I recall used to play the #1 spot in Arizona before Fitz right?), would mean we just spent a #3 pick, on a proven WR that we know can produce in the NFL right now from day one. He is physical, and everything that we knock our current #1 receiver, for not being.

How many picks do you look at in the draft that you think will be available at #3, that you can say that about?

The Phins Philosophy so far in the draft has been to double up at "needed" positions due to the potential for a bust. With this, we can wipe WR off the board, and now we're down to 2 critical positions that need to be addressed (NT, ILB), and one that we might want to snag if we see value (FS).

Then next year, or the year after we go back looking for another WR.

If Boldin gets injured, what happens? We go back to using the WRs we used last year, who while inconsistent kept us in, and won quite a few games.

If Miami was right there for a Super Bowl, then I say do it, at that point it is a luxury, but with so many other needs, Q isn't making them a contender this year or next, then at that point you are 3 years down the road, and he'll be useless and you wasted a pick..

I just don't see us going after Dez Bryant. Not after investing a 3rd and a 4th round pick in WR's last year. Besides, it's not BP's MO. We still haven't seen if Pat Turner is gonna make the grade or not. If he does, he changes the dynamic of the receiving corp just from a size standpoint. So, unless this FO is willing to concede that he was a bust (and, I doubt they are at this point in time), I just don't them picking a WR in the early rounds of this draft, much less a first overall pick. JMHO.

And, to anyone saying giving a 3rd round pick (any pick really) isn't that big of a deal (based on past draft picks), that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to me anyway. It's not the pick, it's how the pick is used. You can waste a first round pick (which, we have done time and time again). And, you can just as easily draft a stud in the 5th or 6th round. Zach Thomas anyone? So, yes...I value draft picks very high, because each and every pick gives you a chance to improve your football team. Especially for a team still rebuilding from some horrendous drafts (2007 anyone?).

As for Boldin and his age/injury concerns, which are both valid. I think he's got a lot left in the tank. So, I wouldn't look at his as a stop gap or a bridge. I could see him being very productive for another 5 years, easily. And, as others have already said...he's a proven commodity. So, it would definitely be tempting. But, that 3rd round pick could cost us a potential stud TE (Gresham/Hernandez), or a potential stud LB (Kindle/Edds/Norwood).

Bottom line...I just don't know. I'd definitely be a little conflicted if it were to come to fruition. But, I see it as a good problem to have.

"finyank13 wrote:

yeah at 23 years old, and injury free, now he is 30, and hasnt played a whole season in 2 years, and for that matter in his 7 year career, has played a full season just twice...he will be 30 this year....I just dont trust it..

He played 15 games this year. Is that a full season? No. Is it injury prone? Also a no.

Barring serious injury (knock on wood), Boldin can give us 3-4 years of solid production, which is all you would get out of a 3rd rounder unless it turned out to be a superstar and you signed him long term, and that happens very very rarely.

If we were able to acquire Boldin he would do three things for our team:

1. Make the WR's we have better. Ginn, as a #9 overall pick, is a bust. BUT if the other team is forced to double Boldin, who I consider to be more of a Mid-field threat, Ginn very suddenly becomes a dangerous man for that defense to cover over the top, and that will keep safeties out of the box to open up running lanes. Not to mention what putting guys like Hartline, Bess, and Camarillo on their 3rd and 4th best cover guys can do for us when we go to wide sets.
2. Allows us to go defense-heavy in the draft and FA. Our offense was solid last year if you look at the statistics. If we can just give Henne the one weapon he asked for (a big WR) and then let Nolan work with Ireland to bring in guys to shore up up defense and just bring it into the top half of the league, we're a solid playoff team.

3. Buy us time to get a young #1. Lets face it, our team has a lot of holes and we can't fill them all in one offseason. But a couple years down the road, we may be in a position where we can make the bold move, trading up for the best WR in a draft or trading for a guy like Marshall. Or even better, It allows us the flexibility to draft the mid-round guys like Marshall ourselves and be patient in their development, knowing that the top of the WR unit is already solid. Right now, we can't afford either.

If the cardinals called up and said we could have him for our 3rd, I'd pull the trigger, and I hate giving up draft picks.