Dolphins hire Martial Arts consultants

jt should learn crane style
jp monkey style
wake snake style
crowder tiger style.

and at the very least we will have the starting cast of kung fu panda.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

jt should learn crane style
jp monkey style
wake snake style
crowder tiger style.

and at the very least we will have the starting cast of kung fu panda.

What? No Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon style? They could fly over the LOS and land in the backfield..:lol:

Actually, I really hope Wake is taking advantage of the offer, running the speed rush every down is not a strategy for long term success.

I like what one of the consultants had to say here:

"It's mainly hand placement, teaching escapes and teaching hand efficiency while being able to use their feet at the same time. A lot of times, you see players, especially linemen, come off the ball, and the first thing they do is grab each other and nobody goes anywhere."

Tomich stresses that football isn't a push game, but rather "striking" opposing players' hands down and getting by them. That holds true on both sides of the ball, even skill positions.

Boy is that the truth, guys just stayed glued to blocks, but the teacher is as only as good as the player uses the techniques.

"padre31 wrote:

What? No Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon style? They could fly over the LOS and land in the backfield..:lol:

Actually, I really hope Wake is taking advantage of the offer, running the speed rush every down is not a strategy for long term success.

naw crouching tiger hidden dragon isn't real. everybody knows kung fu panda is based on ling ling the panda from the tokyo zoo......

"unluckyluciano wrote:

naw crouching tiger hidden dragon isn't real. everybody knows kung fu panda is based on ling ling the panda from the tokyo zoo......

Pfft...Ling Ling mock soft Tokyo Zoo panda:

great conditioning as well. something new and fun to mix the conditioning up. if only we did this when Eddie Moore was on the team......

"nappy roots wrote:

great conditioning as well. something new and fun to mix the conditioning up. if only we did this when Eddie Moore was on the team......

if only we didnt draft eddie moore..................................

"nappy roots wrote:

great conditioning as well. something new and fun to mix the conditioning up. if only we did this when Eddie Moore was on the team......

Eddie Moore was injured so often it wouldn't have mattered.:sad:

I like it, the guy could be name dropping with "JT and JP were excited to take part" but with stuff like this, 9 guys may try it, and only 1 or 2 guys really be helped with it.

"nappy roots wrote:

great conditioning as well. something new and fun to mix the conditioning up. if only we did this when Eddie Moore was on the team......

Eddie Moore would just be that whiny failure that drops out of karate school, tries to turn evil, then gets his ass kicked by the good guys.

This reminds me of some crackpot back in the old HeraldTalk days.

I think Ricky or somebody broke or sprained their arm and some guy said the injured player didn't know how to fall correctly and that all Dolphins should be taught judo, so they would not get injured while falling.

We all laughed at him. Anyone else remember this?

apparantely some are getting my joke...eddie more was knocked out at a club while he was on the injuried list one season..

Mike Storms is/was an MMA fighter for one fight and I believe he refs some. His school doesn't specify a style. The article says "Okinawan" so I would guess that whatever they are learning would be based off of Kung Fu or Kempo. Aikido is Japanese so I don't think that would be the style. It also doesn't involve much striking.

This is very cool stuff. Martial arts has many practical applications in football.

"rafael wrote:

Mike Storms is/was an MMA fighter for one fight and I believe he refs some. His school doesn't specify a style. The article says "Okinawan" so I would guess that whatever they are learning would be based off of Kung Fu or Kempo. Aikido is Japanese so I don't think that would be the style. It also doesn't involve much striking.

Okinawan martial arts refers to the martial arts which originated among the indigenous people of Okinawa Island, most notably karate, tegumi, and Okinawan kobudō.

Tegumi is a traditional form of wrestling from Okinawa.

Okinawan kobudō (古武道; also known as Ryūkyū Kobujutsu, Koryū, or just as Kobudō) is a Japanese term that can be translated as "old martial way of Okinawa". It generally refers to the classical weapon traditions of Okinawan martial arts, most notably the rokushakubo (six foot staff, known as the "bō"), sai (short unsharpened dagger), tonfa (handled club), kama (sickle), and nunchaku (nunchucks), but also the tekko (knuckledusters), tinbe-rochin (shield and spear), and surujin (weighted chain). Less common Okinawan weapons include the tambo (short staff) and the eku (boat oar of traditional Okinawan design).

Per wikipedia.com .
jt with a pair of sais we can't lose!

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

This reminds me of some crackpot back in the old HeraldTalk days.

I think Ricky or somebody broke or sprained their arm and some guy said the injured player didn't know how to fall correctly and that all Dolphins should be taught judo, so they would not get injured while falling.

We all laughed at him. Anyone else remember this?

I don't remember that but I do believe that learning to fall can help avoid injuries. When I was a kid I took judo. I didn't get very far in it but I did learn how to fall. I took several falls from bikes or general kids playing around stuff and I would instinctively roll. I believe that it was one of the reasons I never broke anything. Of course in football its a bit different as you take some falls that can't be controlled. And I've had more than my share of football injuries so it hardly a cure-all.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

This is very cool stuff. Martial arts has many practical applications in football.

Depends, the difference between a martial art and football is the player is not trying to fight the opponent, they are trying to move past the opponent or trying to keep the opponent from moving past them.

Trace Armstrong in that article a couple of days ago mentioned you have 2.5 seconds to reach the Qb or it's a coverage sack, that is not much time to do much more then one move, maybe two moves, on a 300 pd man to get by them.

But the faster their hands are, or the better they can use their hands along with their feet at the same time, the more effective they will become on the field.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

Per wikipedia.com .
jt with a pair of sais we can't lose!

I believe that their martial arts styles take their names from the region they were developed in but they originated from the chinese arts of Kung Fu and Kempo which they learned from their chinese trade partners.

I think Okinawan karate is also famous for all the weapons adapted by the peasants to fight the Samurai and Nobles (who were the only ones legally allowed to carry weapons).

"padre31 wrote:

Depends, the difference between a martial art and football is the player is not trying to fight the opponent, they are trying to move past the opponent or trying to keep the opponent from moving past them.

Trace Armstrong in that article a couple of days ago mentioned you have 2.5 seconds to reach the Qb or it's a coverage sack, that is not much time to do much more then one move, maybe two moves, on a 300 pd man to get by them.

But the faster their hands are, or the better they can use their hands along with their feet at the same time, the more effective they will become on the field.

The hand techniques are helpful as well as the "feel" of where the opponent is attacking you. Learning to anticipate and move off of strikes can be very useful as well. In the words of my avatar, "Be like water".

"rafael wrote:

The hand techniques are helpful as well as the "feel" of where the opponent is attacking you. Learning to anticipate and move off of strikes can be very useful as well. In the words of my avatar, "Be like water".

Maybe, that is one of the areas where football and the arts may not mesh well, the action takes place in a small semi circle around each player, and there no blows struck normally, there is an Olineman's "punch" where that concept could be quite helpful.

the Tackle loads up the hands to deliver the "punch", the OLB moves offline while swatting the oncoming arms down while keeping their feet and body lean moving forward.

Wr could use that as well.

I think Aikido would be good for some players, the ones pursuing at least.

"padre31 wrote:

Depends, the difference between a martial art and football is the player is not trying to fight the opponent, they are trying to move past the opponent or trying to keep the opponent from moving past them.

Trace Armstrong in that article a couple of days ago mentioned you have 2.5 seconds to reach the Qb or it's a coverage sack, that is not much time to do much more then one move, maybe two moves, on a 300 pd man to get by them.

But the faster their hands are, or the better they can use their hands along with their feet at the same time, the more effective they will become on the field.

I'm certainly no expert, but I do know that martial arts is not all about attacking the oppenent. There are many techniques in avoidance and countermeasures. All useful stuff in the trenches.

"jdang307 wrote:

I think Aikido would be good for some players, the ones pursuing at least.

i always thought aikido was mainly defensive........... the whole don't enter my circle thing ya know?

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I'm certainly no expert, but I do know that martial arts is not all about attacking the oppenent. There are many techniques in avoidance and countermeasures. All useful stuff in the trenches.

I'm no expert either, there are large differences though, in football the players approach each other with no concern for protecting their heads.

I think Aikido would be good for some players, the ones pursuing at least.

Same here, guys who play in space.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

i always thought aikido was mainly defensive........... the whole don't enter my circle thing ya know?

From my wanna be martial arts days (growing up watching Bloodsport and steven seagall movies) Aikido was a more defensive martial art, but the key point was using the opponents motions and energy against them. Basically what you see in Steven Seagall movies.

If those same skills can be applied to blockers you can shed them faster is what I'm thinking. Even throw them off balance.

"padre31 wrote:

Maybe, that is one of the areas where football and the arts may not mesh well, the action takes place in a small semi circle around each player, and there no blows struck normally, there is an Olineman's "punch" where that concept could be quite helpful.

the Tackle loads up the hands to deliver the "punch", the OLB moves offline while swatting the oncoming arms down while keeping their feet and body lean moving forward.

Wr could use that as well.

I know that as a WR my martial arts helped immeasurably. I am/was a small guy but I really felt that I was unpressable (probably a made up word, LOL). If the CB came up to the line I always felt they had no chance.

Now I also played some rush end in flag football but that was more difficult b/c there was more holding going on. I would have needed more skill or more power to break through the holding.