You don't build around him until he's proven that he's a dominant player worth building around. For whatever reason, he's yet to prove such. I hope he does, but certainly not yet.
Kid has HOF potential. It would be mind blowingly stupid to trade him, even without considering the cap ramifications.
Why? That's dumb. He shut down gronk in coverage and needs to be used more towards his skillset. As much as I love wake, he's up there in age and I'd take a 2nd for him which brings in Jordan to replace him and gives up 8 or so mil cap space to use towards oline
Fact is, I can name legit reasons for trading both Jordan and Wake. Like it or not, everyone has their price. I'm also on record saying I think trading either would be a misstep. Wake is among the best pass rushers in the game and Jordan has so much potential. Those two along with Olivier Vernon make one hell of a pass rushing threat, and you can never have too many pass rushers. Besides, just because the front office is listening to offers doesn't mean they want to get rid of them. I guarantee both guys will only be traded if we can get a fortune in return. We're not giving away someone as dominant as Wake or as promising as Jordan for peanuts.
Wake is great for a win now team. He's an instant threat to any opposing offense but maybe only has another year or two as an elite pass rusher. If the team feels as if they can fix the oline in an offseason and become a legitimate contender then I think you keep all three. However I can't think of a single reason to trade Jordan. He's young,cheap,athletic and versatile with a ton of potential and no matter what we get it'll be less then what we paid which is just bad business. We have a ton of cap space with the 6-8 mil increase in cap allows us to pick up not one but two top tier additions to the oline in free agency as well as bring back grimes and maybe soliai. A big factor is also the secondary. Our dline played a huge part in our defenses success and was one of the reason the secondary didn't struggle. If you weaken our pass rush then I think some serious talent should be brought in whether its a ballhawking safety or another corner that can stay healthy next to grimes.
Especially with Wake's age, you imagine by the shelf life of defensive ends he has 2-3 dominant years left. If a team offered a mid first round pick trust me, any GM would strongly consider making that trade.
I would pass on that offer. The teams lacks veteran leadership and I would not be so willing to jettison a solid mature player especially one that plays along side Jordan where a possible mentorship can develop. Its not always best to go younger. There needs to be a balance.
Unless there's something going on behind the scenes that hasn't gotten out, I can think of zero logical reasons to trade Jordan, even for a first round pick. He didn't have most of the offseason to learn the ropes, he got hurt, and then Vernon turned it on and got playing time. It was a redshirt.
There is one realistic way I can think of to trade Jordan. That would be straight up for Lane Johnson. You don't trade a talent unless you get something comparable in talent in return. The Eagles maybe interested because of the Chip Kelly connection. They just resigned Peters to be their LT for the foreseeable future. We need a left tackle. Johnson is young and talented. Most of us thought he was going to be the pick after the announcement of the trade up last year. That trade would improve the Dolphins IMO.
You could find a legitimate reason to trade everyone on the Miami Dolphins' roster. There shouldn't anyone that's indispensable. If there were anyone, at least in terms of talent, Cameron Wake would be the closest. His age probably knocks him off that pedestal.
Lane Johnson IIRC played really well in the 2nd half of the season. He played every snap for his team, was part of a dominant running game, and an extremely efficient passing game that saw a 2nd round QB put up some historical statistics. On the flip side, Dion Jordan underwhelmed. Couldn't get on the field as often as he should've been able to. Had less snaps than any other top 10 pick. IMO, and I believe in most people's opinions, Lane Johnson is a much much more valuable NFL player than Dion Jordan at this point. I can't see Philly disagreeing with that
Not getting on the field is true. But, when he was on the field he did not underwhelm. He had a lot of pressures for the chances. And we really don't know why he didn't get on the field. Plus, we have to remember he and Jamar Taylor were both injured (Jordan seemed to carry his weight really well and looked pretty big for a kid who could not lift a lot due to the shoulder injury). If Jordan can come back healthy this off-season, I see no reason he cannot come in and play well. I suspect the coaching staff did not want Jordan. And, Ireland forced him on them. I don't dislike Jordan but trading away picks for a guy who was not going to be a guaranteed starter or a QB - that was a bad move by Ireland (especially at a position of relative strength). That draft last year just was not a great draft. If we were this year, it would have been Clowney - that might have been worth it (though he is still a gamble). No way will Philly trade Lane Johnson. No way. Not for Jordan.
I know, but still, at this point, he hasn't yet proven to be a dominant player worth building around. I'm not saying he won't in time, but not now. We simply just don't know as of yet.
Probably not, but my point was to not trade Jordan just to trade him. I'd hope we get something of at least equal to better value in return. The fact that Johnson is stuck at RT for the next few seasons and the fact that Kelly likes Jordan very much, made me think it was not a totally ridiculous thing to suggest. Most likely, we don't trade Jordan anyway, but the possibility gives us something to talk about for a while.
My concern is when you have a coaching staff that continues to try to fit a triangle in a smaller circle. If you have talent you build around it, and last year I saw the defensive coaches trying to force the fit. Good coaches work with what they have and use the strength. I see a level of inflexibility in scheme that I don't like.
Yep, it is very much a feel of "we know what we like, if you do not fit that, then you won't play" TBH, I'd keep Dio just to counter the trend in te's being more Wr's now, granted his sack numbers won't be great, neither were Adalius Thomas's most yrs, his value to the Ravens was huge.\ I think any such trade, even for a LT, would be simply unwise and short sighted.
I'd do that trade 10 times out of 10, Dion Jordan is a special player, he can get after the passer or cover GronK, a LT hell, McKinnie came for peanuts and did fine. I'd go so far as to say Jim Turner screwed the pooch on the OL, think the personnel did not fit what Sherman wanted to do, think JJerry is a bust, and Clabo is very replaceable.