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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 10, 2014.
I hope they get him. I'm not optimsitic, due to his circumstances.
Even with something as simple as reporting the team asking for permission to interview an employee, Armando has to insert his speculation and soap opera intrigue.
Dude simply cannot help it.
Well, I won't say Ross & Co. didn't try swinging for the fences. I just hope they don't settle on Brian Gaine when all is said and done.
For some reason Armando says that his father being sick is not expected to keep him from taking jobs elsewhere. I have a tough time believing that.
It seems like Armando has been speaking with his agent this week so maybe there's a chance.
huh? How do you arrive at that conclusion? It was a pretty straight forward article with an interesting note at the end that most of us probably weren't aware of.
Go off much for no apparent reason? Maybe you should heed your last statement.
If that's not grasping at straws and creating unnecessary narrative, then I don't know what is.
I agree. I think the car salesman speculation is just stupid, as in I need some filler and I have nothing meaningful to include so I'll use this. Poor.
I don't. Philbin took a job here 11 days after the death of his son. The reason for that could end up being the same for Gamble not allowing himself to pass up a GM opportunity.
You guys think Farmer is the leading candidate (per Armando) because of Carl Peterson's influence or is it because they actually liked him and his resume?
I would imagine Gamble wouldn't take the interview if he wasn't interested.
I have to agree with Armando on that one. Don't know anything about even Gamble, let alone his father but I would believe if his son stood to get a nice promotion his father would be encouraging him to take that job. That's if his father is well enough to communicate that at this point.
Also, if I'm Ross and Gamble is my guy I make sure he knows that if he's fired the team will be EXTREMELY flexible and considerate of his father's situation and allow him whatever time he needed so long as he had good backup. Even if it affected his job the first season, if you really believe he's the best man for the job you buy in long-term.
Would Philbin have taken the job 11 days before the death of his son, if that son were to be hypothetically sick and dying?
Don't answer. I know that answer.
An ailing family member still needs help and support.. someone who is dead does not and it just comes down to getting over the mourning.
Tom Gamble is highly regarded, highly qualified, and he works for the Eagles who seem very much on the up and up with Chip Kelly at the helm...so there's really no danger of him losing his high standing any time soon.
There will be GM job opportunities in future years. But when his father dies, that's permanent. Regardless of his dad's encouragement, if I were close with my father I would strongly consider waiting.
Just as Gamble himself left a GOOD situation in San Francisco so that he could be with his father.
It's called journalism. If all you want is the quick, two sentence version then read a tweet.
Even if you think it's showy, the Braman thing is an interesting point.
By that logic, it seems like you believe that a person would just simply quit at life in the wake of tragedy. Some do, as I imagine losing a child has to be one of the most devastating things that can happen to a parent. I worry about it every day and both of my kids are completely healthy (knock on wood). But most people continue on with life. That includes accepting a promotion if it comes up. Gamble does not have to abandon his father to take this job. I work here on the East Coast (D.C. metro area) and was incredibly productive while out on the West Coast and in New York for the past 3 weeks. I know my job is a lot different than an NFL GM, but so much of their job involves travel anyway. Being onsite isn't as necessary as it once was in this digital age.
I think the fact he is even considering the interview is enough reason to believe he maybe thinks the pros outweigh the cons. If the state of his father was such a deal breaker, I'd figure even taking the interview would be out of the question.
Come on phin, he's clearly grasping at straws. That's as deep as a speculation can go. It's not really journalism when you're speculating to this degree.
1. I didn't say anything about in the wake of a tragedy. My question pertained to what you would do BEFORE the tragic death, if you knew that tragic death was on the way soon. Would you chase promotions that take you away from your dying son or father? That's an individual choice. But if I were close with my father, I probably would not.
2. In no way am I proposing that Tom Gamble "give up on life" in some way. That's a silly exaggeration. He's working for the Philadelphia Eagles, who love him dearly and are using him to better their team, and paying him pretty well I might add with a position very high up in the organization. He's not living in his father's house and taking care of him 24:7 or something like that.
Its worth the gamble
Depends on what the sickness is i guess. Otherwise i agree.
Or he'd just like to hear what the Dolphins have to say, and maintain the relationship for the future. Pretty much every time a team starts searching for GMs, they have guys on the interview list initially that end up withdrawing their name for consideration. He could do that at any time.
That's a possibility, I can't deny it. However, he must at least have some sort of interest. I can't think any well regarded professional like Gamble would waste a team's time if he didn't have at least some interest and if he didn't think something could be worked out with regards to his situation.
Could that mean a gap yr with him coming onboard after next season or are the Phins going to pull the trigger on an instant fix?
It very well might influence any decision, but most fathers will say "don't stop your life for me, son", and most sons when thinking it through will realise it's not the right thing to do either. Now, he may well not want to leave Philly and his father's side, but then again he may just as well want to see his father see him get a job he really wants. I'm not saying he will want to come to Miami, but a father being sick may not be the main impediment.
You're right that it's an individual choice. And it's a choice we're speculating on. You may very well be right. What you said in #2 I think lends more credence to the fact that he would be willing to accept a promotion with another team. He's already doing an incredibly demanding high profile job with an NFL team.
I guess the other important thing to consider here is how ill is his father? Weeks? Months? Years?
If he's very ill (days or weeks), you could accommodate that by saying, "Take as much time as you need. Do what you can while you're in Philadelphia and you can start here on-site when you're ready."
If it's more of a long term thing - something that could be months or years, then if I'm Gamble, I have to say to myself, if I interview for the job and it's a job I want, I can't put my life on hold indefinitely. Again, that's a personal decision and we can't know what he's thinking. As others have said if he's even taking the interview he is going to consider it otherwise why get on the plane? Why put yourself in the awkward position of telling a team "No" if you have no intention of taking the job?
Well..just to point out. Philly is what..a two hour flight on Ross' s plane..vs..a cross country flight from San Fran. Maybe Gamble feels like hes still close enough if down in South Florida..and possibly his Dad spends alot of time here as well.
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I read Hospice is involved so it's not good.
that's different IMO b/c his son was 21. It'd be difficult for any father to come to terms with that. Gamble on the other hand has had closer to a lifetime with his father, so there's a greater opportunity for closure there, and he wouldn't have to feel like he needs to make the most of those final days to counter the feeling of having a lifetime of experiences cut short. If his dad says it'll make him happier in his final days to witness his son reach his dream of becoming an NFL GM, then I'm guessing Tom might succumb to it.
And are we going to ignore the fact that he was with the 49ers in 2012, where he was loved and appreciated (especially by the head coach), and chose to leave for the Philadelphia Eagles so that he could coincidentally be closer to his sick father?
His dad is in hospice care. I'm no expert. But that doesn't sound good. To my knowledge hospice care is where you go when you know you're dying and the only thing there is left is to improve your quality of life to the extent it can be improved until you go.
Last year he left SF to being closer to his Dad and now his Dad is in hospice care. Not to sound callus but people generally don't go to a hospice to get better, its typically for terminal patients. It may be that he moved home to be around for the last year of his Dad's life and now that the days are numbered is willing to start planning for the future.
Of course the above is just pure speculation on my part so maybe I can get a job at the Herald.
Also, Miami - Philly is a hell of a lot closer than San Fran - Philly. He could hop on a private jet and be in Philly within 3 hours.
Personally I think Armando Salguero is underplaying it simply because when Gamble pulls his name from consideration he wants to say that it was because of Miami, not because of Gamble's personal situation.
And yes, I think he's that much of a douche.
Could just be me never seeing it in posts but I don't think I've ever seen you pull out a word like that towards mando...
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You realize there's not as much difference in these situations as you'd like to think. It's about closure dude, which Tom Gamble can gain a greater sense of considering his dad has essentially lived a lifetime. Secondly, you're making a big assumption that A) Harry Gamble would prefer his son by his side than watching him realize what's probably been a lifelong dream, and B) Harry wouldn't have any family support and help left if Tom were to accept a GM job.
....and WOW, just WOW..... as in- I'm utterly flabbergasted that you nonchalantly mention "it just comes down to getting over the mourning" as if that's some easy deal in just 11 days. I take it you don't have kids.
Finally....I was starting to get worried. Do whatever it takes to land him.
tough situation for gamble with his dad in bad condition, but philbin will know what to say to him, he went to something similiar
Well if his dad is in hospice then I'm guessing Tom has had time to come to terms with what's coming and form some closure b/c he knows the death is imminent.