Dolphins failed building this defense, which needs mass changes in 2016

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  1. resnor

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    Sure, but those are just two, actually three, off the top of my head. Tannehill has done it more than that, it's just, now often than not, his good plays get negated by other bad plays or penalties.
     
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  2. DolphinGreg

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    Love the post! I'll check some of those guys out. Don't sleep on Alexander out of Clemson. He's been a shut-down kind of guy all year on a very good defense. Rather than being pampered by the talent surrounding him, he's actually one of the bigger reasons its such a great unit. His stock may rise as we approach the draft because of that. He doesn't give up anything deep.

    Not sure on Greg Hardy for obvious reasons. The team may not even consider him although he's a great player at a position I'd love to see Miami add to.

    Totally agree with the way you looked at FA though. Miami has to add a few solid players without any big contracts being involved.
     
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  3. adamprez2003

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    i picked him because he should come at a discount relative to his value. In free agency you usually get five types of players

    1) guys you have to overpay to get (players at top of game who are asking for the sky) Suh is an example. I dont think we can afford any of these guys
    2) Guys coming off injury. The problem with them is you never know if they are going to work out and the fact that their past team had these players checked out and passed on them makes this a very risky area to search for upgrades
    3) bad character guys. obviously risky but less so than injury guys imo. one alot of the stupid stuff is done by twenty somethings. when players turn 30 they tend to wake up to being adults. obvioulsy risky but you can get an all pro at a non all pro salary
    4) guys at the end of their careers. are you going to be able to squeeze out any remaining good years from these guys? good to get if you have the rest of the unit filled by rookies and second year players
    5) average players, role guys and depth

    I say pick him, have a character clause in the contract and if his bad behavior continues you should be able to get out of the contract
     
  4. Fin D

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    What do you mean you don't know what that means? WADR, if you don't know what that means then you really aren't watching the games.

    We are 32nd in rushing attempts. That's last. We have 266 attempts. Detroit at 31st has 282 attempts. Carolina is first with 445.

    The best part.....we are 2nd in the league in yards per rush. You can't ignore the sheer stupidity of our OCs.

    A lot of posters on your side of the debate, claim my side sees what they want to see to justify our position, but this is the perfect example that its really true fo your side.
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    try not to take shots man... so your saying that if we up our attempts its going to improve the qb play?
     
  6. Shane Falco

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    Watch some Carolina games, including the one on now.

    They are the only team in the NFL to run more than they pass.

    And Cam looks perfect right now.

    Last couple of years he was average.
     
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  7. Fin D

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    I'm not taking shots. I'm making an honest observation.

    And yes, that's what I'm saying. I've said it numerous times and to be frank, I'm not real sure why I have to keep restating it nor why its particularly controversial.

    And its because of our oline. We can't pass block for ****. We're even worse at it when the defense can tee off because they know a pass is coming.

    This is not rocket science.
     
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  8. resnor

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    It should, as it should prevent teams from just sitting back on pass routes. It should also help by taking the issue off of Tannehill.
     
  9. adamprez2003

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    i like alexander too! as you see i have him as my third choice for our first round pick. i would have to take hargreaves first but if he isnt available i will be thrilled if we get alexander
     
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  10. texanphinatic

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    I get the theory, but Hardy is a different animal. He brutalized a woman, professes he.did nothing wrong, gets into his coaches faces, shows no remorse. He has been enabled at every step and has learned nothing. He is not a guy who made a mistake, he is a genuinely reprehensible person. I want nothing to do with him at all. He will destroy us. I get the theory but he is the wrong guy.
     
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  11. Da 'Fins

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    It wasn't the D. Defenses need momentum and confidence. They can get none without the OL.

    The flaw in this team is still the big flaw in the team - the failure to build the offensive line. If you can't score any points in the first half against a 3-10 team in December, you simply suck on offense.

    If the OL were dominant coming into this season, then I think the Defense would be much more intense and physical and dominant.

    Yes, there are weaknesses on the D - esp. at DB/LB - but it's the OL that remains the deep culprit of this team. Watch - half these guys that suck for us right now will be solid pros next year on some other team. But, the coaching sucks also.
     
  12. DolphinGreg

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    There is definitely some truth to what you're saying and believe it or not, this is all by design. Pressure/pass defenses often take on a different look when they're leading, especially late in close games when guys are playing with 100% effort. By contrast, when they are forced to stuff the run and play high-intensity football for 60 minutes in a low-scoring game they often get tired and eventually overrun. We've seen the latter quite a bit with Miami this season as the offense has struggled and failed to allow the defense to play with a lead.

    Philbin tried to orchestrate the building of a pass-first, high-scoring offense which would've required a rush-oriented, aggressive defense that specialized in turnovers. We heard him and his coaching staff talk about building that kind of defense over and over and over and over. What happened was that the defense never got there and the offense was never close to being a high-powered, scoring machine.

    That 100% was a good idea. That's what won Green Bay a Super Bowl. That's why Philbin felt justified in the approach. There were problems though: (1) it's hard to ask any QB to replicate what Rodgers does, (2) Miami's line never got to the point where it wasn't a major liability and the defensive line never got the kind of pressure it should've late in games.
     
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