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Dolphins Draft Strategy - They Will Move Up... for a QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 6, 2020.

  1. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I would move up to get Burrow, assuming Cincy is willing to trade down. I don't know what the cost would be. Probably a 1st & a 2nd this season, and maybe a 1st for 2021. With the extra picks Miami has, that would be a reasonable move IMO. I would not trade up for Tua. I also don't know that would take Tua at #5 if he's still there.

    JMHO.
     
  2. resnor

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    It would take more than than 2 firsts and a second, imo, for them to even entertain the idea.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    You will not get the first overall for "reasonable" - expect all of firsts this year and one next plus assorted 2nds and below. Cinci has no impetus to pass on a Burrow for anything short of an absurd price.
     
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  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The only way Cincinnati will give up the first overall pick is for a team to pull a Ditka when he traded the entire Saints draft selections that year to move up and draft Ricky Williams...and we all know how that turned out.

    Not too good!
     
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  5. The Guy

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    texanphinatic Senior Member

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  7. Carmen Cygni

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    STFU
     
  8. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Top doctors arent even in the states. Maybe he is going to need to travel to Europe.
     
  9. DOLPHAN1

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    that's why rock stars from Europe come t the states for cardiac care...
     
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  10. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Americans have all the medicine and tools - problem is their brain dead.
     
  11. AGuyNamedAlex

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    It's the honest truth dude. If you know some good doctors just count them in the 5%.
     
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  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Their brain dead what?
    Or do you mean "They're?" Because that would be ironic.
     
  13. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Could careless. English grammar is also stupid.
     
  14. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You could care less if you're careless with your grammar? Why is English grammar more stupid than, say, German grammar? Or French grammar?
     
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  15. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Cant speak for German, French or Duetch, but I can speak of Spanish grammar, and Albanian grammar. You spell words the way you would pronounce them, unlike English, were you have words that dont even equal to the sound of the word, and they are spelled totally different. Why do you think the English language is one if not the hardest language to learn for foreigners?
     
  16. cbrad

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    What is going on with this thread? What's next? The Earth is flat? That vaccines don't work?

    Listen, there is NO other country with as much talent in science or medicine as the US. Not even CLOSE. First of all, many of the world's best hospitals are here (e.g. Mayo, Cleveland, Hopkins) as are many of the best schools of medicine (e.g., Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford), and practically every scientific or medical journal worthy of note is either published in the US or the UK. The US is responsible for over 40% of the world's R&D spending in the life sciences and has around 40% of the major patents in these fields (in biotech, pharmaceuticals and medical devices). Those percentages are less than a decade ago but that's because other countries are investing more now (e.g., China), not because we're getting worse.

    Regardless, the best minds are generally here in the US, though naturally a large percent are foreign born.

    As far as misdiagnosis, it's really hard to correct that, but under "normal" conditions (what happens in the real world) best estimates are that around 5% of cases are misdiagnosed, though many of those cases can be serious. In controlled conditions where you're deliberately testing for the ability of doctors to diagnose correctly those numbers go up to around 15%. Here's one review:
    https://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/22/Suppl_2/ii21

    Also, since the topic was Tua's hip dislocation, the issue with him is NOT misdiagnosis lol. It's accurately predicting how well he'll heal.
     
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  17. resnor

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    Couldn't care less is the actual phrase.
     
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  18. resnor

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    Having better tools doesn't make a more skilled doctor than someone else...
     
  19. Cashvillesent

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    Thank you thats all I needed to hear. [In the bold]

    Majority of foreigners come here to get educated and majority of them outsmart your typical born US citizen.
     
  20. Cashvillesent

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    Explain to me why foreigners when given a chance to live the "American Dream" are much successful then the ones that were born here?
     
  21. resnor

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    Explain to me how you managed to misunderstand what I wrote. I was responding to cbrad with all his talk about r&d and facilities and such. I was saying that a doctor in Slovakia could be more skilled and now knowledgeable than a doctor in America, and having better more modern tools doesn't make that American doctor a more skilled doctor (it could make him more effective, but it doesn't make him more skilled). What I was saying really is more a validation of your assertion.
     
  22. Rick 1966

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    Of course, since Spanish is very close to the original Latin, just like Italian. I took Spanish and French in college, two years of each. French is full of loan words from other languages, English even more so. English is a kaleidoscope of Germanic, Latin, French, Greek, and everything you could possibly imagine. Albanian is very close to its root language as well, ancient Indo-European. Doesn't make other languages stupid.
     
  23. cbrad

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    It's a huge percent, close to ~50% now in science, engineering and medicine if you go by PhD's. Generally, the higher the degree the higher the percent. As far as why? It's because we get the best from abroad (mostly). It's not because their average is somehow better than ours. It's because the US is a choice destination for so many of the best minds in the world.
     
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  24. Dolphin Dundee

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    You should move to New York Cash. Apparently everything is better there and now so are the foreigners.
     
  25. cbrad

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    Dude.. even I thought you were arguing against Cashvillesent. You have a habit of not quoting the person you're responding to so this "misunderstanding" is your fault not his.

    Besides, my post was mostly about skill (which means you misunderstood MY post). The top researchers and doctors in the world tend to be where you have the best facilities, but it's not the facilities that make them who they are it's their ability to reason. And the US is where you find many or most of the best skilled individuals in these fields. Of course there's an interplay here. You can't be skilled in using equipment you don't have, and your ability to accurately diagnose a disorder is in some cases heavily dependent on knowing how to use and interpret the results of cutting-edge technology.
     
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  26. Cashvillesent

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    Poor choice of words. But would you agree that English is probably the hardest language to grasp? In terms of speaking and spelling.
     
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  27. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It's a very hard language to learn. Don't know about the hardest. Chinese seems very difficult to me.
     
  28. cbrad

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    Chinese is hard for most native English speakers to pronounce, and of course their writing system is unfamiliar, but at least Chinese grammar is relatively simple.

    If however you're looking for a difficult to learn grammar and writing system, I'd wager Japanese is near the top of that list. Japanese not only has Chinese characters, but 2 sets of alphabets in addition to that, with one alphabet used solely to write foreign words. And while Chinese characters are generally pronounced the same way regardless of context, Japanese characters often have 2 or more different pronunciations depending on context. At least Japanese is generally easier to pronounce for English speakers.

    I can speak colloquial Japanese but learning how to read and write beyond simple stuff has been really challenging. Thankfully, being able to speak is more valuable than reading and writing if you travel there (I go there usually once a year). That's in contrast to the Japanese themselves who learn English, but are tested mostly on how to read and write. Conversation in English? Much more difficult for them.
     
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  29. Cashvillesent

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    Alot of English words sound alike but mean whole different thing
     
  30. cbrad

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    Yeah same in Japanese.

    Anyway, for better or for worse, English is the de-facto international language and I think it's a good choice because of its flexibility. A lot of things that make it "difficult" to learn give it the necessary flexibility to add new words, phrases, changes in spelling, etc.. Just imagine if the international language was French (like it was at one time) and you had the Academie Francaise breathing down your neck saying X or Y cannot be changed lol (they've done that in the past.. mostly in response to the influence of English among French speakers).
     
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  31. Hooligan

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    Go Phins
     
  32. hitman8

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    Well, thay might have something to do with the fact that K-12 education is a lot better in most other developed countries than in the US.
     
  33. Pauly

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    If you understand the etymology that’s a feature not a flaw.
     
  34. Vertical Limit

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    Today the Chargers have said theyre moving on from Rivers. Lets all hope they trade up and take Tua.
     
  35. cbrad

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    Good news actually. Puts some urgency into the Dolphins making sure they're the ones that trade up and guarantee they get Tua.
     
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  36. texanphinatic

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    Doubtful anyone will make a trade before draft day though, unless it's with Washington.

    If we want Tua, we will get him. If we don't, then either we didn't really want him after all, or Grier tried to get cute and got played.

    I would also be curious what the Chargers' plan is though - they have been linked to Brady a bit, and that's a team built to try and make a run rather than go into a rebuild. If they find a QB and get and stay healthy, I could see them as next year's Titans.
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Tonal language have an extra hardness to pick up
     
  38. Hooligan

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    English is probably one of the very easiest languages to learn unlike other Latin derivatives like French, Spanish, Italian and, German. You don't have to deal with genders in English and thus don't have to deal with genders in adjectives having to match nouns. There are virtually no conjugations of verbs to deal with. Compared to Spanish or most any European language, English has a fraction of the number of syllables for the same sentence. Sentence structure is also much more straight forward in English unlike German or Latin where the verb is all the way at the end of the sentence. My family moved to Canada from Germany when I was 5. We arrived in June and by September my brother and I were in the first grade keeping up. By contrast, I have been in Costa Rica for 15 years now and having one hell of a time trying to learn Spanish.
     
  39. cbrad

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    That has a lot to do with age, not the language per se. All commonly spoken languages are easy to learn for young people.

    btw.. I went the opposite direction. I went to Germany for 8 years from the age of 13 to 21 and speak German well. But there was one older Turkish guy I met over there (lots of Turks in Germany) who had been there for over 2 decades and could barely speak German. I finally asked him why he didn't try harder to learn German.

    His answer was golden (translated.. and also wrong grammatically in German): "You" "me" "understand" "yes"?
    I said: "Yes"
    He says: "OK!" "We" "good"

    lol.. he has a point.
     
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  40. Cashvillesent

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    You are so right. Age has to do with it ALOT

    Speaking of Turkish people. Ive went to Istanbul few years back as its only 2 hrs away from my country, and oh God! They have the best coffee you could ever drink! If your a coffee guy..
     

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