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Dolphins content to save Ronnie Brown

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. ATVZ400

    ATVZ400 Senior Member

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  2. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ugh... and average of 14 carries per game is simply not enough for ronnie brown, or any #1 back really. We're lucky that Ricky has been able to pick up some carries as well though and do a good job with them to keep the running game at least alive. Thats fine if were trying to save him and keep him fresh and all that, but there comes a time when you just need to give him the ball, let him build up a rhythm, let him wear down the defense...
     
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  3. ATVZ400

    ATVZ400 Senior Member

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    I Would like to see what he can do with 20-22 carries a game
     
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  4. Zippy

    Zippy The Man in Black. Club Member

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    Let's hope he can get 20 - 22 carries in the playoff games. :up:
     
  5. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I think his knee is not 100% yet and Sparano doesn't want to over stress it. If we make the playoffs, I think we use Ronnie more.
     
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  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Now I know why Ronnie Brown is not Adrian Peterson!
     
  7. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Kind of strange the way that Sparano and co. have been using, not just Brown, but a lot of offensive players...I don't get it...unless like some have said, that Brown's knee isn't 100% yet, but that doesn't sound like Sparano...

    Either way, this season, we win or lose as the defense goes...so I don't think that Brown getting or not getting enough touches is paramount in their decision making process...
     
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  8. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    I would also add that Pennington's resurgence, along with subpar run blocking, has contributed to Brown's lack of carries.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the staff has been on strict regimen of carries for brown and its directly related from the trainers to the coach. It was projection from the start and their sticking to their plan. Their also taking into account his and ours future and doing whats best for it.

    I like the platoon. i like having ronnie ricky and cobsie on the field at the same time. next year his production will move up.....a little
     
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  10. anlgp

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    I think it's smart they don't give him a lot of carries. The two back (and now with the Giants probably a three back) league is the trend right now. I'd rather have three guys (which we have at least three in Brown, Williams & Cobbs and maybe four if he pans out in Lou Polite) bashing the other teams D instead of just one guy.

    Let them all wear the defense down :up:
     
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  11. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod Staff Member

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    We're winning. I can't complain about the strategy.
     
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  12. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Each RB brings a little something different to the game a slight style, speed and power variance that keeps the defenses on their toes to be prepared for each skill set.

    Besides having at least 3 running backs and sometimes 4 in the rotation means that if any one of them gets hurt the team won't have to re-tool most of the playbook.
     
  13. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I actually find myself agreeing with Armando, give the man the ball.
     
  14. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Chicken or the egg sometimes. Do we win when he gets the football more, or does he get the football more when he's good, thereby making us win, etc.

    Or are we winning, even when he is running a lot and not getting a lot of yards, because of other parts of the team.

    Correlation is not the same as causation.
     
  15. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    My only problem with that is that his rushing totals being higher means to me that we have the leisure of not having to throw the ball as much so either it's a tight game or they are winning and the defense is doing their job.

    I look at his #'s and the win loss ratio as a result of the defense & QB doing an effective job more than the other way around.

    In the Arizona game this year what would running him 20 times have gotten us? Nothing because there were failures in other parts of the game that eliminated the necessity for us to utilize him properly.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you know what brother, i understand your frustration {and i'am just as big as ronnie fan as you} but i'am tellin ya, if these three can stay together and evole like they are, then this package is going to explode. I dont think it has found its rythym just yet. Its a very unique system, not like the raditional # 1 back, third down back and your #2 back comin in spelling the starter for 5 to 7 carries a game. Whats gonna make us great is our versatility. Their just pacing ronnie, thats all their doing.
     
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  17. Sceeto

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    I respect all of your opinions here, but I think this issue of Ronnie not getting enough carries is crazy. IMO.

    Look, just like how everything else in life changes, so does the NFL. The days of RBs getting 20-30 times a game are over! Mark my words! Look at how just about every other team in the NFL has the 2 or 3 back system. You have to combine the total yards rushed.

    The days when guys would pound it 20 to 30 times a game...look at how those guys would end up....usually crippled or at least in a lot of pain for the rest of their lives and how many times have you seen when you have that one guy that you rely on pounding 20 to 30 times a game and he goes out and then you're left with a primary back-up and screwed. Those days are over and it's evident on just about every other team in the NFL. We're going to have to come up with a different criteria for judging an "elite" RB.

    Now the important thing to remember here is... THE GUY IS COMING OFF OF MAJOR KNEE SURGERY!!!! Geez! Give it a rest.....literally. =D We have at least two other quality backs. Why would you do that? We want to win now, but we also want to build a team that will have success now AND in the future. Distributing the ball around and keeping your guys fresh and healthy for now and for the future is a good way to start, no? Especially when one is coming off of MAJOR KNEE SURGERY! =D I'm so glad this staff gets that! It's so refreshing as opposed to the other shmos we've had here in the past. Finally!!!

    The funny thing is, we're having success with what we're doing! Why knock it! You guys do remember last year, right?...and some of our rushing issues has to do with the interior of the OL instead of which guy is getting the ball.

    I'm really psyched how things have gone this year already and I have a lot of hope for the future, which was hard to say for a long time now. Just enjoy the ride and be happy that we appear headed in the right direction and already have had so many great moments this year as Phin fans. Wooooooo!!! =D Onward and upward!! =)
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just imagine D cordinators sitting in a room talking about how to defend the backfield of THE R.R.C. Multi dimensional, supremely talented players with high football IQ and instincts. Scary....just get the oline together and our offense will be lethal
     
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  19. Sceeto

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    Exactly dude!! I'd rather it be like that as well. That way our TEAM will succeed.
     
  20. Sceeto

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    Are you going to tell me that you don't see most teams switching to the two back system. Seriously. There's a reason for that, reasons which I listed previously. Mark my words in that you will see it more and more. The D guys are just so much bigger and faster every year that it will become impossible for one guy to do it all. we are having success as a team now the way we're doing it. Why mess with it? ...and again, respectfully...THE GUY IS COMING OFF OF MAJOR KNEE SURGERY! Why? Why kill him an overuse him when we have at least two other capable backs? We want him for the future!! Right?, at least I do. Why kill him now when we're having success with how we are doing it.
     
  21. hugoguzman

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    Sadly, there is a chance that we lose Brown to another team that's looking to pay big bucks for an every-down (or almost every down) back. Barring another injury setback next year, Brown is likely going to command a very large salary in 2010, and I'm not sure that Parcells and company are going to want to foot the bill for a guy that they rotate with Ricky, Cobbs, etc...

    I'm supposed to try and be objective as a writer, but I can't help but root for Brown because, for me, he represents the epitome of being a football player.

    He doesn't *****. He plays like a gladiator, never shying away from contact and often seeking it out. He works hard. He's multi-dimensional. He almost never fumbles.

    Oh, and I love how he smiles and jaws it up with defenders after big collisions...reminds me of how I was and how my contemporaries played the game growing up in Miami.

    But you know what? If Parcells and company decide that his price tag is too high for what he brings to the table in our multi-back system, then I'm all for it.

    I'll just be a big Ronnie Brown fan for whatever team he plays for, except when he plays the Dolphins.
     
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  22. anlgp

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    Surely they'll make a trade. As Zod said in another thread as long as Parcells and Co. can continue to pick up the Marion Barbers of the world in the fourth round then I'm okay with it.

    A first rounder commands a lot of money which is why I think the Eagles have traded down a lot recently. There are definitely gems in the later rounds but finding them is the key.
     
  23. slickj101

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    I think Ricky has earned more carries than that.

    Like others have also said, Ricky is faster and that def is a necessity when we try to run it outside because of our OL's weak play inside.
     
  24. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

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    I agree bro.

    I think Ronnie Brown can carry use for a lot of the time.
     
  25. finserg

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    And i can bet you what ever you want he will never be :cry:
     
  26. Crappy Tipper

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    I would prefer to see something like

    Ronnie 50%
    Ricky 40%
    Cobbs 10%
    Give or take depending on results

    I think we need to get the mileage we can out of Ricky while we have him. His talent is too high to ride the pine and get no carries.

    All considered I would like to see about 30-35 total carries per game 15-18 to Ronnie 10-12 to Ricky 5-7 to Cobbs or other. And that be subject to change depending on what the defense is giving up.

    If we need some outside corners Ricky should be the lead dog on this sled - we can't whine about #'s we need to focus on the components resulting in a victory no matter how it shakes out.

    Hell if Cobbs is hitting the hole like a mad man I wouldn't mind seeing him get 10 carries in a game - some days you have it some days you don't and the team shouldn't get so hung up on who the starter is or who should get so many carries.
     
  27. BrazForPhins

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    Bro, you're kind of right, that's the way to go, but as Sceeto said...Brown is coming off a major knee surgery, that's the reason you're refusing..

    We may see these combos more often in the NFL from now on...though you gotta run your best weapon more, in our case Brown...

    BUT you'll probably have your wish, and mine's, next year, not now.

    And what if we go to the post-season? Then we'll thank sparano for keeping Brown fresher...

    With the kind of injury he had, he might have to retire if it happens again. We better save our best asset for the future.
     
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  28. CrunchTime

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    He is not getting the carries but he has made some great plays especially in the red zone.That is why he is in consideration for a pro bowl berth.

    IMO the main reason for his lack of production is our OCs penchant for spreading the ball around.

    I am as frustrated as anyone that he is being misused by yet another OC .

    Ronnie should be getting those third down throws IMO but I guess we should be grateful that he has remained healthy .

    If by some miracle we get into the playoffs he will show up big .Great players play great during the playoffs.
     
  29. Sceeto

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    He has already been a big part of the reasons why we won the games we've already won and I'm sure he'll continue to do that. Don't you think the coaches have a better feel for how Ronnie is feeling and whether he may need a break or not, rather than us fans watching on TV? This staff has been pretty good so far, I don't think there's a reason we should not trust their evaluations of their own players at this point. They talk to them and their trainers all the time. They know things that we fans don't get a chance to know. Why complain when things are going well for us for a change? Most of the guys you listed as guys who pound it 20-30 times a game were out for a bit because of minor injuries and their teams suffered as a result. Combine the rushing yards and were not doing to bad. Who cares who gets it?.. as long as we're winning. It's not like Ronnie hasn't been a big reason for our success already. He definitely has been a big reason!

    Oh yeah....Psst. (whisper)....He's coming off of major knee surgery. Do you want to ruin his career when it's not neccesary. Why?

    If we can improve the interior of the OL, believe me, the inside run game will greatly improve.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    well i'll tell you this brother, questioning personell decisions is what we do here, and believe it or not, the coaches and front office have their opinions, we have ours and sometimes, occasionally, we know whats right and their slow to the task... sounds egotistical i know, but ive seen it happen.

    Why i have peace with this situation is because i feel confident that ronnies not getting the carries because our coaches are stpid, its because ronnie is on a regimen of carries.

    Iam sure this week will be different. The team now knows it controls its own fate, i believe the coaches will now get ronnie more involved. Its a golden oppurtunity and should be taken very seriously.
     
  31. Sceeto

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    You guys can question the personnel decisions all you want. I just think they probably have a better feel for how Ronnie's knee is doing than we do. Things have been going well. Why knock it? I've said enough times about the knee surgery, but it's got to play a part in this, no? We also want to keep this team going for the long haul, well at least I do. I'm definitely not saying people shouldn't voice their opinions, but I can disagree and debating these issues is what this board is for also, right? It's all in good fun bro! :)
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    mos def brother, iam just stating that when it comes to playing time on a player {injury aside} sometimes the knowledable fan base sees something that the coaches dont. Especially some of the people on this board.

    I can see the coaches meeting with ronnie and saying to him,' we've kept you on a strict diet all year, we have our destiny in our hands, are you ready ronnie?'...and BOOM 20 carries with 5 receptions.

    I think this whole thing of ronnie not getting enough caries is mostly based on pacing him during the season because of his injury. I believe they have handled the situation correctly and have not gotten desperate and comprimised their plan...all because of whats best for the future.

    It might be time like Aqua says, to scrap that plan now and go for it.
     
  33. Sceeto

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    Totally Bro! I hear ya' We're pretty much agreeing on everything for the most part, but I don't think we should scrap the plan now, when the plan has been working well. We want to keep this train rolling and if the staff realizes that Ronnie is doing much better and can handle more of a load, then I'm sure they'll give it to him. I'm sure these guys can see, as well as anyone who's watched him, that Ronnie is a great talent, but we don't want to jeopardize losing that talent. Having Ronnie, Ricky and Cobbs is a whole hell of a lot better than just having Ricky and Cobbs should Ronnie re-injure his knee by pushing it too much. JMO. :)
     

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