Dolphins content to save Ronnie Brown

Ugh... and average of 14 carries per game is simply not enough for ronnie brown, or any #1 back really. We're lucky that Ricky has been able to pick up some carries as well though and do a good job with them to keep the running game at least alive. Thats fine if were trying to save him and keep him fresh and all that, but there comes a time when you just need to give him the ball, let him build up a rhythm, let him wear down the defense...

I Would like to see what he can do with 20-22 carries a game

"ATVZ400 wrote:

I Would like to see what he can do with 20-22 carries a game

Let's hope he can get 20 - 22 carries in the playoff games. :up:

I think his knee is not 100% yet and Sparano doesn't want to over stress it. If we make the playoffs, I think we use Ronnie more.

Now I know why Ronnie Brown is not Adrian Peterson!

Kind of strange the way that Sparano and co. have been using, not just Brown, but a lot of offensive players...I don't get it...unless like some have said, that Brown's knee isn't 100% yet, but that doesn't sound like Sparano...

Either way, this season, we win or lose as the defense goes...so I don't think that Brown getting or not getting enough touches is paramount in their decision making process...

"Larryfinfan wrote:

Kind of strange the way that Sparano and co. have been using, not just Brown, but a lot of offensive players...I don't get it...unless like some have said, that Brown's knee isn't 100% yet, but that doesn't sound like Sparano...

Either way, this season, we win or lose as the defense goes...so I don't think that Brown getting or not getting enough touches is paramount in their decision making process...

I would also add that Pennington's resurgence, along with subpar run blocking, has contributed to Brown's lack of carries.

I think the staff has been on strict regimen of carries for brown and its directly related from the trainers to the coach. It was projection from the start and their sticking to their plan. Their also taking into account his and ours future and doing whats best for it.

I like the platoon. i like having ronnie ricky and cobsie on the field at the same time. next year his production will move up.....a little

I think it's smart they don't give him a lot of carries. The two back (and now with the Giants probably a three back) league is the trend right now. I'd rather have three guys (which we have at least three in Brown, Williams & Cobbs and maybe four if he pans out in Lou Polite) bashing the other teams D instead of just one guy.

Let them all wear the defense down :up:

We're winning. I can't complain about the strategy.

"anlgp wrote:

I think it's smart they don't give him a lot of carries. The two back (and now with the Giants probably a three back) league is the trend right now. I'd rather have three guys (which we have at least three in Brown, Williams & Cobbs and maybe four if he pans out in Lou Polite) bashing the other teams D instead of just one guy.

Let them all wear the defense down :up:

Each RB brings a little something different to the game a slight style, speed and power variance that keeps the defenses on their toes to be prepared for each skill set.

Besides having at least 3 running backs and sometimes 4 in the rotation means that if any one of them gets hurt the team won't have to re-tool most of the playbook.

I actually find myself agreeing with Armando, give the man the ball.

Chicken or the egg sometimes. Do we win when he gets the football more, or does he get the football more when he's good, thereby making us win, etc.

Or are we winning, even when he is running a lot and not getting a lot of yards, because of other parts of the team.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Yeah but give him more carries and who knows how many more wins we have. Give it to him more vs. New England, our struggling defense gets to stay on the sideline and perhaps we win that one.

When he gets the ball, we win. It's simple.

Take away 2007 and we are 8-2 when he runs it 20 times.

2005:
Denver - WIN 22 carries 57 yards
Carolina - WIN 23 carries 132 yards 1 TD
@ New Orleans - WIN 23 carries 106 yards

2006:
Tennessee - WIN 26 carries 90 yards
@ NY Jets - LOSS 22 carries 127 yards
@ Chicago - WIN 29 carries 157 yards
Kansas City - WIN 25 carries 89 yards 1 TD
@ Indianapolis - LOSS 21 carries 115 yards

2008:
San Diego - WIN 24 carries 125 yards 1 TD
@ Denver - WIN 20 carries 59 yards 1 TD

So you can see that even when he's not all that effective, we will have success in the outcome of the game.

Just give him the damn football.

My only problem with that is that his rushing totals being higher means to me that we have the leisure of not having to throw the ball as much so either it's a tight game or they are winning and the defense is doing their job.

I look at his #'s and the win loss ratio as a result of the defense & QB doing an effective job more than the other way around.

In the Arizona game this year what would running him 20 times have gotten us? Nothing because there were failures in other parts of the game that eliminated the necessity for us to utilize him properly.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

So how can we complain about his production? It's so difficult to put up huge numbers on 14 carries.

you know what brother, i understand your frustration {and i'am just as big as ronnie fan as you} but i'am tellin ya, if these three can stay together and evole like they are, then this package is going to explode. I dont think it has found its rythym just yet. Its a very unique system, not like the raditional # 1 back, third down back and your #2 back comin in spelling the starter for 5 to 7 carries a game. Whats gonna make us great is our versatility. Their just pacing ronnie, thats all their doing.

I respect all of your opinions here, but I think this issue of Ronnie not getting enough carries is crazy. IMO.

Look, just like how everything else in life changes, so does the NFL. The days of RBs getting 20-30 times a game are over! Mark my words! Look at how just about every other team in the NFL has the 2 or 3 back system. You have to combine the total yards rushed.

The days when guys would pound it 20 to 30 times a game...look at how those guys would end up....usually crippled or at least in a lot of pain for the rest of their lives and how many times have you seen when you have that one guy that you rely on pounding 20 to 30 times a game and he goes out and then you're left with a primary back-up and screwed. Those days are over and it's evident on just about every other team in the NFL. We're going to have to come up with a different criteria for judging an "elite" RB.

Now the important thing to remember here is... THE GUY IS COMING OFF OF MAJOR KNEE SURGERY!!!! Geez! Give it a rest.....literally. =D We have at least two other quality backs. Why would you do that? We want to win now, but we also want to build a team that will have success now AND in the future. Distributing the ball around and keeping your guys fresh and healthy for now and for the future is a good way to start, no? Especially when one is coming off of MAJOR KNEE SURGERY! =D I'm so glad this staff gets that! It's so refreshing as opposed to the other shmos we've had here in the past. Finally!!!

The funny thing is, we're having success with what we're doing! Why knock it! You guys do remember last year, right?...and some of our rushing issues has to do with the interior of the OL instead of which guy is getting the ball.

I'm really psyched how things have gone this year already and I have a lot of hope for the future, which was hard to say for a long time now. Just enjoy the ride and be happy that we appear headed in the right direction and already have had so many great moments this year as Phin fans. Wooooooo!!! =D Onward and upward!! =)

Just imagine D cordinators sitting in a room talking about how to defend the backfield of THE R.R.C. Multi dimensional, supremely talented players with high football IQ and instincts. Scary....just get the oline together and our offense will be lethal

"djphinfan wrote:

Just imagine D cordinators sitting in a room talking about how to defend the backfield of THE R.R.C. Multi dimensional, supremely talented players with high football IQ and instincts. Scary....just get the oline together and our offense will be lethal

Exactly dude!! I'd rather it be like that as well. That way our TEAM will succeed.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I disagree entirely with that; respectively of course:up:

Just as there are different blue print for building championship teams (clock control, run oriented teams vs. air it out, bend but don't break teams,) there are different kind of running backs.

There are some players that are going to grind and pound it and do it very often. Their careers may not be prolonged by this tactic, but some coaches don't care; they can dispose of running backs every 4 or 5 years and repeat the process.

Look at guys like Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Marion Barber, Marshawn Lynch. All of these guys get a large potion of their teams carries.

You're seeing more of the two back system because of the current crop of running backs. Look at all these college teams running options, wildcats or other running systems based on speed and deception.

Just as pocket passers are becoming a rarity, scat backs that split the load are out in full force. Some day, the pendulem will swing back the other way, but I don't think the days of bruising, bulk carrying backs are long gone. Not by a long shot.

Are you going to tell me that you don't see most teams switching to the two back system. Seriously. There's a reason for that, reasons which I listed previously. Mark my words in that you will see it more and more. The D guys are just so much bigger and faster every year that it will become impossible for one guy to do it all. we are having success as a team now the way we're doing it. Why mess with it? ...and again, respectfully...THE GUY IS COMING OFF OF MAJOR KNEE SURGERY! Why? Why kill him an overuse him when we have at least two other capable backs? We want him for the future!! Right?, at least I do. Why kill him now when we're having success with how we are doing it.

Sadly, there is a chance that we lose Brown to another team that's looking to pay big bucks for an every-down (or almost every down) back. Barring another injury setback next year, Brown is likely going to command a very large salary in 2010, and I'm not sure that Parcells and company are going to want to foot the bill for a guy that they rotate with Ricky, Cobbs, etc...

I'm supposed to try and be objective as a writer, but I can't help but root for Brown because, for me, he represents the epitome of being a football player.

He doesn't bitch. He plays like a gladiator, never shying away from contact and often seeking it out. He works hard. He's multi-dimensional. He almost never fumbles.

Oh, and I love how he smiles and jaws it up with defenders after big collisions...reminds me of how I was and how my contemporaries played the game growing up in Miami.

But you know what? If Parcells and company decide that his price tag is too high for what he brings to the table in our multi-back system, then I'm all for it.

I'll just be a big Ronnie Brown fan for whatever team he plays for, except when he plays the Dolphins.

"hugoguzman wrote:

Sadly, there is a chance that we lose Brown to another team that's looking to pay big bucks for an every-down (or almost every down) back.

Surely they'll make a trade. As Zod said in another thread as long as Parcells and Co. can continue to pick up the Marion Barbers of the world in the fourth round then I'm okay with it.

A first rounder commands a lot of money which is why I think the Eagles have traded down a lot recently. There are definitely gems in the later rounds but finding them is the key.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

No. But as I said, it's a product of the college game and the product that is being turned over to the NFL. If you have the guy that can shoulder the load, you ride him. If you don't you spread it out. We have that guy.

I'm not saying give it to him 30 times per game, but he's received only 10 carries WAY too many times. He should never have 10 carries in a game. I'm fine with getting Ricky involved and even Cobbs at times.

But I see no reason we can't go:

Ronnie: 70%
Ricky: 25%
Cobbs: 5%

I think Ricky has earned more carries than that.

Like others have also said, Ricky is faster and that def is a necessity when we try to run it outside because of our OL's weak play inside.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

No. But as I said, it's a product of the college game and the product that is being turned over to the NFL. If you have the guy that can shoulder the load, you ride him. If you don't you spread it out. We have that guy.

I'm not saying give it to him 30 times per game, but he's received only 10 carries WAY too many times. He should never have 10 carries in a game. I'm fine with getting Ricky involved and even Cobbs at times.

But I see no reason we can't go:

Ronnie: 70%
Ricky: 25%
Cobbs: 5%

I agree bro.

I think Ronnie Brown can carry use for a lot of the time.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Now I know why Ronnie Brown is not Adrian Peterson!

And i can bet you what ever you want he will never be :cry: