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" Dolphins Can't Ignore Offensive Line in the Draft "

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Walter, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:49 AM.

  1. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    I know we need a TE LB possibly QB and OL is considered meh by lots of Forum Gurus like most of us.
    But outside of the first rd. and thinking more of 2-3 years down the road believe that when creating a new level of competency for our team The OL is IMO critical,,, ya ya I know its not your everyday star recognition position but can and is just as important to actually make those star quality guys we all want to watch.

    Anyway thought that this was an interesting view and some would like the read....( and its a bit slow )

    Remember You don't have to read it if you so desire.... I will not make you by using my Valcan mind meld......lol

    http://www.dolphinstalk.com/2018/04/the-dolphins-cant-ignore-offensive-line.html

    note: the idea of a Juwan James trade
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Obvious opinion. Dolphins can't ignore ANY position in this draft. Maybe defensive end. that would be a maybe.
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Active Member

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    Except for our 1st. pick, we probably should be looking for BPA anyway. I would say even if it includes DE.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That 42 nd pick is gonna have some damn good guards there..

    I have that pick reserved for Griffin if he is there..so I would look at guard in the 3rd if he’s the bpa..
     
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  5. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Understand your point, but also feel that they Do need to prioritize that BPA for possibly the greatest area of effectiveness and need. Which could come together, with an Edmunds, Fitzpatrick, Smith, D. James, and even Vea as the last resort.
    Don't think WR, CB, DE, RB is critical enough to make that move...though upgrade still applicable.

    Also if fall back Vea the choice would be blown away to see the FO make the JuWan James trade plus 2nd rd pick to nab say Esch...I know TE is on peoples minds but think Esch if achievable a great pickup especially with Vea and losing out on Eds, Smith, Fitz, and James ...

    The 3rd rd. TE or IMO C/G Ragnow if there ...
    But like you said all just Obvious opinions at this stage.....
     
  6. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yes 100% agree. I think the article talks about not ignoring positions in the draft, it doesn't talk about not ignoring the positions in the draft in the first round. There are definitely positions in the first round I would ignore. Offensive line being one of them, unless Nelson fell to them.
     
  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Where do we even start with this make-believe crap? Kilgore didn't allow a single pressure on Garappolo- I'd file that in the "great" column. James was our best lineman in 2017 by a longshot and dominant in passing- definitely far better than "okay at best". Davis struggled because he was moved around and there was zero consistency....that one I halfway agree with. And Asiata, he was starting caliber the whole time but didn't learn the playbook enough to be consistent. He will be a rotation piece or a starter this season.

    Plain and simple, that article was pure BS with no stats, no breakdowns, and lots of random guesses. Mike Oliva has no idea what he's talking about....the only part he got right was that the line still needs depth. That's true for all 32 teams though and we didn't need 12 paragraphs of fantasy for that to be said.
     
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  8. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Bet they do ignore it til late day 3 at least
     
  9. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Funny I didn't see it as any more BS than what you stated... Not that I think the FO and staff equate the additional need in OL help as important as the article feels........

    Your Kilgore "Great"......... possibly jumping a little ahead of yourself (not that your wrong but ya actually just don't know without a crystal ball at this time) Though over a mostly injured Pouncey a needed upgrade."




    Another view from (9 year SF 49er sports reporter ) who actually has a bit more perspective possibly due to his actually watching the guy.


    " Kilgore’s season was a tale of two parts. For 11 weeks, he and the rest of the offensive interior struggled to find anything remotely resembling consistency. He had some bad penalties early in the season, and at times seemed to struggle with stronger defenders.

    When Jimmy Garoppolo took over, things changed. The offensive line as a whole played better, and Kilgore emerged from his funk. Some of it had to do with getting more comfortable with the offense, but really it was about Jimmy Garoppolo. He helped raise up everyone around him, and Kilgore was a beneficiary.

    Garoppolo was effusive in his praise for Kilgore at the end of the season, and it would seem Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch see him as a solid short-term measure. "

    Hey if needed we can just print Garoppolo across the back of #17..


    Juwan James, you may be right but Gase and Co. already had him traded til the last minute (do they not see what you do )
    ( truth is I haven't had much faith in Gases view of OL's, but he is surprising me. )

    Sitton ...now there is a Great pickup but early 30's but still excellent pickup IMO...

    Asiata ..... who oh ya I remember him, hope he learned the play book this year...

    Oh ya Davis ....... think it would be more accurate to have a season of witnessing some of that consistency You seemed to think he lack. Though I like the guy....

    Hey don't get me wrong we have upgraded our OL to what extend truthfully we will need to see played out but think much better than the last gazillion years..... But is their room for improvement IMO without a doubt there is....
     
  10. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We could do this for every position on the team.
     
  11. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Active Member

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    Isn't Gase's workaround for deficient o-linemen the quick drop back and short passing game? I don't think they want to put high draft resources in OG or OC. Now, OT, maybe...
     
  12. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Ya......I know, sad
    Take away age and maybe not LG....& Rashad
     
  13. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Especially after bringing in Sitto and Kilgore. But I think they had a slight awakening with that 4 sec. linemen...Sitton and Kilgore are supposedly a bit more on the bruisers side. I like it and I bet Drake and Gore have no complaints either
     
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  14. Hoops

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    They are 2 deep everywhere they need to be with a wildcard in Asiata
     
  15. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Señor Member

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    When’s the last time they haven’t drafted for the OL?
     
  16. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Interesting question
    Went back 2008 and we must have drafted around a dozen OL the last 10 years.
    #1's Rdr Tunsel, Big Jake...Pouncey...JuWaun
    Think the lowest draft in that time was Andrew Gardener in the 6th rd. 2009

    Outside of first rdrs we were not that good in the picking dept...
     
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  17. ChrisKo

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    We've drafted an OL in every single draft going all the way back to the first year 1966.
     
  18. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Here's a stat for you...Asiata played a grand total of ZERO offensive snaps
    last season and with that I'd like to know how you know he was starting caliber?

    I never heard the playbook problem but if that's the case it's a more serious problem
    than him being slow footed

    With his "lack of" progress last year, and our needs at guard he couldn't
    even sniff the field. I think he may actually see time on the practice squad
    unless he wakes up.
     
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  19. Walter

    Walter Active Member

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    Good Call
    Every draft since inception........
     
  20. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting that you took my statement exactly the opposite way that I meant it. I feel sad for you.
     
  21. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    This is the first time in a while that we could afford to ignore the OL.
     
  22. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Asiata had two huge problems- learning to play at the speed of the NFL and getting the playbook down...guards do a lot more than tackles so there's a lot more to learn. He did well on basic assignments in practice but when they threw an exotic blitz or simply a shift in gaps, it wasn't pretty. He swears that he's past that now though and ready to step up.

    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...a-sits-all-year-vows-im-not-doing-this-again/

    You also have to remember that he was practicing against Suh a good part of the time...not too many rookies will look good in that circumstance. Tunsil sure didn't.
     
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  23. hitman8

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    after the Sutton and kilgore additions OL is no longer a top priority. I would say LB, TE, QB2, DT, RB, FS are all higher priorities right now.
     
  24. eltos_lightfoot

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    You are right, I was just a tad snarky. I am sorry. I just meant that objectively OL is probably one of the stronger positions on the team, but if you are going to delve into each person and subjectively rip them to shreds then you could do that to every team in the league for every position. Personally, I think TE, DT, LB, FS, and backup QB are all in much greater need of talent infusion. I would agree on RG though. I would like to see some legit competition there. I would also like some competition for LT in case Tunsil doesn’t improve.

    Anyway, sorry again for my flippant comment.
     
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  25. tirty8

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    We have bigger holes on our roster than offensive line, and taking a guard at 11 is definitely not adding a playmaker to our roster.

    But, yo, have you watched Quentin Nelson play? He is a beast and probably the best guard I've seen enter the draft in years.

    Tunsil - Sitton - Kilgore - Nelson - James

    That is a line that you can build an offense around. I think that people that have soured on this pick are seriously overthinking it.
     
  26. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    No, his pad level was the issue.
     
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  27. Walter

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    My statement and many of my past opinions were made with the hope, idea and actual approach of a real "Rebuild" in which 2-3 years time period the plan, moving the format with Super Bowl the Goal and not Playoff appearance.

    Not the FO's plan, its clear to see.
    Plugging hole continuation .......... but its much easier for me to live with since we actually upgraded and plugged the holes in the essential area of the OL with significant upgrades and not more hasbeens with cross your finger backup potentials.

    But looking at your Tun, Sitt, Kilg, NELSON, James and fantasizing about that, actually tingled my toes. Only I also added Ragnow and thought about additions on the focus on defense in next years draft with this OL upgrade and that 2019 team.
    Just think what that OL could do for improving RT, Drake, Gore, and CJ if acquired. That would have been my approach,, now knowing that many fans are not willing to look that far down the road....Playoffs an improvement but as a goal I think extremely limited and being an old geyser used to being in the Big Picture find more unacceptable for me, though realize many new fans haven't even had much of being Mediocre so Playoffs a plus.

    Wish they took the longer approach but see what they are doing enough of an improvement to keep the blood pumping for that playoff appearance...... But their moves made in acknowledging the value of the OL was a huge step for me in giving our organization a bit more credit than past approach.

    We should be adding some exciting new players from this draft, whoever they are...
     
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  28. Walter

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    Hey Bro don't worry about nothin...... We all have our moments but the fact that one is able to recognize and then understand and reflect enough on oneself to overcome exposes the wise man....

    My previous post states much of my view.
    No one is perfect (players) and like you said everyone has a weak spot but I think these fan forums are the place for us all to express opinions on problems and ways and areas we think to get better or improve. And not necessarily see criticism as a bad thing. Because negative is always around but when its learned and over come that negative turns into a positive and growth.....
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    They can ignore the OL in the draft, and they probably will. They seem to be leaning toward developmental athletes, going the route that netted them Jesse Davis.

    They've shown interest in Matt Pryor of TCU, Cole Boozer of Temple, and David Steinmetz of Purdue.

    They could conceivably take an OL with one of their very-late round picks, the 6th or 7th round. They've shown some interest in Will Clapp of LSU and Nick Gates of Nebraska. KC McDermott is a local guy.

    I've not heard anything but given what they're interested in, they ought to be looking at Korey Cunningham of Cincinnati.
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    Man if will Hernandez is sitting there at 42 that’s gonna be a tough decision to say no..only griffin would stand in my way, not sure about what their thinking..having a Tunsil Hernandez left side for the future is enticing, having Hernandez learn behind Sitton for a year is quite appealing as well.
     
  31. Nappy Roots

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    If Hernandez is there at 42 and we don't pick him, I will flip my entire house upside down.
     
  32. Hoops

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    I don’t see Hernandez there at 42 but if he is get ready to flip that house.

    Don’t see him as a scheme fit. I think miamis very content with what it has on the o line right now.

    I’d be floored if there was a first 2 day add there
     
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  33. Walter

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    Yall know me and my fanaticism with the OL. But think FO have exceeded Their (again their) view of OL and would be shocked if it wasn't like CK stated 6-7th rdr if at all.

    But at this point wouldn't mind Hernadez, Wynn but instead see a very good TE or DT at this spot....
    Though if me I'd figure out a way to get Ragnow with our 3rd pick....
    But surprised that the FO did what they did for the OL and truthfully don't think they feel the need (to bad) because it would pay large dividends for a more successful future...IMO
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Yeah me too, I think they think they fixed it..but we’re gonna pass on some good value
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    If James Daniels is sitting there in the 2nd round when we pick we have to get him. If he isnt we can skip the position. we would be set at center for the next ten years if he falls
     
  36. djphinfan

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    More good value at 42..

    If it wasn’t for Griffin and me thinking I have to go there at 42, I would be all about getting a fine guard prospect..

    One of Daniels, Ragnow, Hernandez, Wynn is gonna be there..
     
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