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Dolphins are Rebuilding - Trade/Keep?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Yeah, but as I've told you time and time again, statistically speaking this isn't true (it's just a commonly held myth). I can post the graphs again if necessary. On average you need approximately as good an offense as a defense to win the SB, and it's actually the case that offense is on average slightly more important both in the regular season and playoffs and SB.
     
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  2. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Rosen

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    IMO, there are a bunch of different ways this off-season can go. If we can't manage to snag a legitimate QB then we can do other things to help like keep X and really shore up the OL and DL. There were quite a few games this year where Gase admitted after a loss the other team was more physical than us in the trenches. If I was doing the rebuild. Other than QB, the first place I would start is there and build my team inside-out.
     
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  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    When you say inside out, are you referring to building up a power house OL and DL first? If you are, I agree 100%. A great OL can make an average QB and average RB look GREAT where a mediocre one can make both look dismal.

    Need relatively recent proof? LaDanien Tomlinson; an absolute BEAST of a running back in San Diego with that powerhouse OL they had. Goes free agent, signs with the Jests and voila...instant turd sandwich!
     
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  4. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Tomlinson was pretty run down by the time he hit the Jets though. I get your point and agree, I just dont know if that is the best example?

    Tomlinson was a hell of a back and I wouldn't say his line made him. Helped yeah of course.
     
  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Great backs are not a dime a dozen. Their OL has a lot to do with their success. The BEST example I can illustrate is Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Put Smith behind Detroit's OL and put Sanders behind Dallas' OL and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to extrapolate the outcome. Sanders would have been the league's all time leading rusher before he retired and Smith would have been shipped off to another team to fade into obscurity.
     
  6. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    An offensive line is incredibly important, no doubt.

    However, I strongly disagree that any back looks good behind a strong line. There is actually a lot that goes into successfully playing running back, it isn't just run hard into the hole and hope for blocks.

    I will say behind a terrible line, no-one should be very successful. Using Barry Sanders as an example though is unfair, no-one has ever done what he did behind a terrible line.

    Also his first season with the Jets Tomlinson nearly had 1,000 yards splitting carries. That was how used up he was, he couldn't land a starting job at his age.
     
  7. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Rosen

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    Yep! That is exactly what I am talking about. I hope this is the type of change in philosophy Ross and Grier were talking about, too, during their presser.
     
  8. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Nooooooo.......its just that this team has been in a constant state of rebuild for almost 20 years. Its pretty ridiculous. Other teams have been good, then sucked and are good again and we just stay the same mediocre team. Cleveland has surpassed us for Christ's sake
     
  9. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hyperbole much?

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  10. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Afraid of the truth much? The browns won 7 more games than they did last year. They are much improved. Meanwhile, the dolphins look exactly the same. Cleveland will be in the playoffs before us
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're saying that teams are good for awhile and then bad and then good..etc etc. And you complained, rightly so, about how the Dolphins have been in "rebuild" mode for 20 years. (It hasn't been 20 years) Then you said that the Dolphins have been surpassed by the Browns.

    All of what you wrote is hyperbole. Between 2007 and 2008 the Dolphins improved their record by 10 games. Did they "surpass" the Pats? lol

    I love Mayfield. I think the Browns have some excellent players. Claiming that the Dolphins are the only team to be stuck in mediocrity over the last 20 years is wrong and claiming that the Browns have surpassed them is hyperbole.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pump the brakes noone is saying trade anyone..but if I’m Grier I listen to all options, and if they mention a blue chip player of ours then the price tag is much much higher, and then if someone wants to go to that level, then I’m all ears..
     
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  13. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    I said ALMOST 20 years. No, we didn't surpass the patriots, because they are a great team. The dolphins are a mediocre team, that can easily be surpassed by lesser teams. Btw, I don't care about other teams that are mired in mediocrity, just the team I route for
     
  14. mbsinmisc

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    Being injured is a legitimate reason to not produce. In my opinion, Parker lacks the competitive fire it takes to be successful in the NFL.
     
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  15. texanphinatic

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    Parker is a toughie. The kid has the physical makeup to be a dominating presence, but is the head on the way you want? Is he able to stay healthy?

    For the right price, I'd be inclined to give a new coach and offseason program the chance to whip him into the player he could be.
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25650911/bill-barnwell-2018-lessons-nfl-season-means-2019

    I actually wouldn't mind checking into Fowler or White either for that matter. Doctson I wasn't really ever high on, and Joseph is a position we don't need. Again, rather than a change of scenery for Parker, I'd see if a change of staff might do it.
     
  16. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End

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    I agree completely. He is a Puddin' Pop. All the physical gifts in the world to be a dominating receiver but no fire whatsoever.

    I can't tell you how disappointed I am with that pick because he is the guy I was hoping for.
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah I was high in Parker as well
     
  18. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Howard took away parkers heart in training camp.
     

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