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Dolphins are Rebuilding - Trade/Keep?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Ross is talking like a rebuild for this team. If that's the case we could be looking for a QB in 2020 and might mean trading players for picks etc. That might be likely even if we don't aim for a high-end 2020 QB.

    Which players do you not want to lose and which ones are you happy to move on from?






     
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  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If the movement is to get young, why trade Howard and Drake? Both are young superstars. And if we trade Grant I swear I'll scream in my worst little girl voice (I'm a 315 pound man, so yeah....)!
     
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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    You absolutely keep Howard. There is no reason he can't be a HUGE factor on defense moving forwards.

    Rebuild doesn't mean everyone has to go. You try and keep your pieces that have future value.
     
  4. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member Staff Member

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  5. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'm not underselling on guys like Howard or Drake. If someone blows you away (say, a pair of first rounders for Howard), then sure you make the move. Otherwise, they stay.

    Rather, we are going to see guys like Branch and Quinn getting the boot. We may end up with a lot of dead cap money this year, but if we can end up with a good amount of cash for 2020 and get a QB either this draft or in 2020 we should set up nicely.

    Rebuilds in the NFL aren't the laborious process they once were. Clear out dead weight, stock draft picks, set a core and move.
     
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  6. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Howard, Drake, Grant and Jones I would definitely not trade. We've traded away or cut too many key players anyway.

    The others listed should go, especially Tannehill and Alonzo whether you can trade them away or not.
     
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  7. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Call me crazy but I'm not even moving Howard for two firsts. Maybe if one was a top 5 pick I'd pull the trigger.

    With those picks you will be lucky to get players who even add up to what we already have. There is no age issue either.

    You'd basically have to offer me the moon.
     
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  8. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    The only young guy the Phins should let walk is Devante Parker, and his contract is up anyway.
     
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  9. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Howard must stay. We have a young pro bowler at a very key position. You don’t trade that.
     
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  10. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    I am so excited! I love the new direction of the team!!
     
  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I hate myself for saying this, but how much of Parker's lack of production came from Gase/RT? Would a new coach/QB make use of his size and skill? He has crap stats so you can re-sign him cheap...I'd keep him around and hope for upside.
     
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  12. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    Keep the young talent and move on from old/expensive contracts. Please please please do not move on from Howard! I want Parker gone immediately, we know what that princess is.
     
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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think rebuild/ retool depends on the coach. If you get an older vet type of coach you might just want to retool. If you get a new young coach with little experience its probably best to blow it up and start over. At the end of the day though it will be the coach's decision I assume.
     
  14. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    You know? That could be true. Maybe Parker would thrive under a different coach. Good point!
     
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  15. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    Grier said there will be collaboration, of course. However, he is the one in charge of the roster and Ross was very adamant about what type of players he would like to see make up the majority of the team. Obviously, it's going to take time and probably not something we can do in a year. There will have to be some patchwork done by signing an older vet or two or more, but the long term goal is will stay same.
     
  16. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To me then, that rules out either Harbaugh, and most other established or previously experienced coaches.

    I'd be shocked if we don't end up like Arizona. A one and done HC, while we blow it up, and start over in 2020 with a better class of QB and coach candidates to work off of as alot of these current young inexperienced co-ordinators get more established and experienced to be considered for HC roles.

    Time will tell, either way though, I suspect 2019 will be a rough year for us as fans.
     
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  17. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    yeah maybe parker will learn to catch with a new coach!!!!!


    lol you guys are true dolphin fans if you think parker will get better with a new coach... the guy straight drops passes, that should be a simple catch.
     
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  18. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Early quick thoughts... and I'm no sure on the actual contract status of any of these guys... more so whether I'd like them around or not.

    STAY:
    Howard
    Drake
    Ballage
    Grant
    Wilson
    Stills (only because he can be a deep threat)
    Baker
    Godchaux
    Tunsil

    GONE:
    Alonso
    Tannehill
    Parker
    Wake (deal is up, right? He likely won't be re-signed)
    Quinn
    Hayes
    Harris (keep him as an inexpensive depth body, but no second deal)
    James

    Everyone else, I can see go either way, or I just don't care enough about to mention at this point
     
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  19. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'd bring Wake back on a friendly specialist contract if he's willing.

    Glad someone said Alonso. He's actually not been terrible, but that cheap shot attempt on Allen? **** that guy, get out, we don't need players doing that cheap ****.

    Stills ... maybe see if you can renegotiate, but I do feel he is the kind of player that the team wants overall.
     
  20. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    We shouldn't stop at firing just a few people. Full re-build means we need to start unloading all available assets that won't be around to help in 2-3 years when we may become relevant again.

     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If I’m Grier I call 31 other teams and let them know everyone is for sale to gauge interest.

    If I can get higher value than I think my players are worth them I make moves..constantly evaluating, that’s the job.
     
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  22. tirty8

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    The nucleus of this team should be:
    Minkah, Howard, McCain, Tunsil

    We should only be looking to shed older and more expensive guys. I don't think we should bounce someone like Drake, but I also think we should continue to draft RBs. I think that it is a position that we don't need to spend a lot in. I think Ballage will be pretty solid. For what it's worth, I like Benny Snell if he is available as a mid round pick.
     
  23. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End

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    I think Ross's statement is simply meaning that he will not bring in older free agents to fill out the team. He recognizes the injury risks. As far as guys on this team who stays and who goes I'd have to think about that and not shoot from the cuff except one guy.

    Devante Puddin' Pop Parker.
     
  24. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Oohhh....another rebuild. Awesome
     
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  25. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I’m tired of trading away good young players because we’re rebuilding or they don’t fit the coach of that years personna.

    Howard, Fitz, Drake, Tunsil, Godchaux, Wilson and Stills are a solid core group of players. Ballage, McCain, Baker and McMillan could develop.

    What we need is to hit on a couple of drafts. One good pick at QB and a couple of good OL and this team can compete. It’s hard to truly evaluate how good or bad our defense is because our offense was so bad and couldn’t keep them off the field.

    I think you continue to not go after the mega deal players and see if you can sign a solid to good starter at OL/DL and spend some picks at Qb, OL and DL over the next two years.
     
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  26. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I've been pro-Alonzo until late in this season....that was one dirty hit too many for me (and he actually had 2 yesterday). He may be our lead tackler but the guy just can't control his emotions in-game.
     
  27. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm okay with most of your list....obviously no Dolphin fan wants to see Wake gone and hopefully we sign him cheap to be a 3rd down specialist. It is foolish to trade James though and it's exactly why we're in the mess that we've had for the past decade.....you NEVER let good line talent walk. We need 3 starting caliber linemen to be competitive....why make it 4?

    No more stop-gaps at line- that alone has dictated the 8-8 seasons for the past 18 years.
     
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  28. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    Why would anyone suggest to trade Xavien? That would just create another hole to fill you buffoon. Not to mention he just had a pro bowl level season.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He wants to be paid as the highest corner in football, if some team gave you an offer that was not smart on their end ( like a top 15 pick) you have to think about it no?
     
  30. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Nope, not even considering it. A top 15 pick is ****ing trash compared to Howard.

    I'd pay him like the top corner in football and call it a day personally. You don't give up young talent for talent you hope is half as good.

    The only way would be if you absolutely CANT structure the contract in a way that works.
     
  31. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    Slot receivers and RBs are a dime a dozen. Elite CBs are way more valuable.

    I wouldn't even trade Xavien for the 1st overall pick in this draft.

    I might consider a trade for say.. Carson Wentz. But even that is shaky cause he could have been a one year wonder QB. He could also be injury prone.

    As far as contract extensions go, if Chris Grier is worth his salt he should be able to sit down with him and hammer out a fair deal for X and ourselves.
     
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  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We have different philosophies.

    My take on this has a few layers to it when it comes to X..

    1, I don’t like it when a players comes out publicly and says what he said..

    2, not sure he’s smart enough to understand that.

    3, everyone who is not an elite qb has a price tag when you are in reset mode, and they are up for contract....that price is gonna be inordinately high for the players I want to keep.
     
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  33. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    IF, and I say if because I don't know but, if there is a legit QB out there that is a backup right now and who is not going to be a FA, I would try and trade for him. I like X, but X might be the only guy we have who could make that happen.
     
  34. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Our defense is an absolute joke and some of you are talking about trading one of the blessings we do have on defense?

    Unbelievable
     
  35. pumpdogs

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    I am no fan of Gase or Tannehill but they are not the reason he can never stay on the field.The guy is made of glass.
     
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  36. danmarino

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    So you would have been happy if Gase and company would have been left in charge? lol....
     
  37. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Everyone has a price... everyone.

    A great player (non-QB) does not a team make. Ndamukong Suh should have taught us all that lesson already.
     
  38. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    Yep. I sure am. Believe it! I may not be as smart as a lot of you all around here, but IMO, we are rebuilding and I think everything begins and ends with a legitimate QB so I would be willing to explore any and all opportunities to make that happen.
     
  39. mlb1399

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    amen. Pay for great talent that you draft instead of other teams free agents. You can build around 2 playmakers on D(Fitz, X) and a top tier LT.
     
  40. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I’m not discounting the importance of having a GOOD quarterback, not one bit but some of you put way too much stock in JUST the quarterback. If it was JUST the quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton and others whose horns have been rooted over recent history would be in the playoffs and not at home watching them like the rest of us.

    I’ve told you all time and time again, offense wins games, defense wins championships which is why the Chiefs are not going to the dance...neither are the Saints. They don’t have the defense.

    If we throw away what defensive talent we have to sell the kitchen sink for a quarterback, we’ll return to the days of Marino. Sure we’ll win lots of games and even make the playoffs but won’t makyit to the dance. We need to get back to the days of Griese, Czonka and smasmouth defense like the Bears and Ravens have done.
     

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