He wasn't awful last year given the circumstances and he'd certainly be in the league this year regardless.
If you look at what sec is saying, he isn't (I think) arguing on the science of nerve regeneration or whatever here. The matter of the fact is that doctors have cleared Peyton to play, and it is up to the Dolphins medical staff to determine whether Manning is worth the risk or not. What section is saying, which I would think you would agree with, is that even if Manning is not 100%, he is (most likely) going to be able to perform at a higher level than the Dolphins' other QB options because he has so much talent. So even if he isn't totally healthy, he should still be able to produce at a higher level than most QBs.
And that stance is complete nonsense, because it completely ignores the natural decline age has on a player. This is not a health 36 year old player we are looking at here. This is a 36 year old who has had a significant nerve injury. As far as doctors clearing him to play, they have cleared him to play from his fusion. He has not been cleared to play based on what he can do with his arm. You have to realize that when I clear someone to play, I'm not clearing them because they are 100%. I'm clearing them when they are to the point they can't do more damage.
we need a measurable index for it. Chad Pennignton had a 97.4 QB rating, and was the runner up for the MVP. I am willing to bet that he is within 2 points of that number.
Kurt Warner, Brett Favre. Both were older than Peyton is now when they produced numbers that would rank among the top 5 best seasons by a quarterback in Dolphin History. But the Dolphins haven't had any good quarterbacks in their history...so who cares... top 5? pffft.
You have no evidence of this because there is no other Peyton manning.. Who's to say he does have 4 more years of great play left? I don't think your in a position to be the judge of that. Your opinion is always great but you don't have the cold hard facts to back up you saying that it's complete nonsense. There have been more then one person denying the " natural decline age" before and they weren't even named Peyton manning..
I 100% disagree with that. Take a look at what he did in 2011, with Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky throwing him the ball. He was targeted 121 times and had 75 catches for 62%. Marshall was targeted 138 times and had 81 catches for 58.7%. Hartline was thrown at 66 times with 35 catches for 53%. Wayne had 2 drops, Hartline had 7 and Marshall had 14. He'd be a huge upgrade as the #2. Huge! PFF graded him the 19th WR in the league last season. Marshall was 50th, Hartline 67th, and Bess was 94th in their grading system. His last season with Manning in 2010, he had 111 catches in 175 targets for 64.5%. The 111 was 2nd in the league. The biggest and only risk with Reggie Wayne is Brandon Marshall may pout when he doesn't get targeted as often as he does playing across from Hartline and Bess.
His last 3 seasons, his passer ratings were 91.8, 100.0, and 95.0. So that isn't the safest bet. You'd have lost the bet 2 of the last 3 seasons.
I do not think the presence of Manning affects the QB position long-term. The reality is with Manning we likely won't be picking this high for quite awhile. With this in mind, if Tannehill is there (an this is now a big if), you take him. There's no guarantee any other player we pick at that spot will have the immediate impact to justify the logic of bringing someone else in to appease Manning.
I'd say you are safe on the TD:Int ratio. He was better than 2:1 in two of his last 3 seasons. But his YPA was better than 7.5 in only one of the last three seasons. 2010: 33 TDs, 17 Ints, and 6.9 ypa 2009: 33 Tds, 16 Ints, and 7.9 ypa 2008: 27 Tds, 12 Ints, and 7.2 ypa
That's exactly what I was thinking. But, the fact is you're just as likely to have BM pout and/or be temperamental for any reason. Or, no reason at all. So, to me that is a non issue. Wayne, even at his age, immediately becomes the best WR on the field IMHO, and gives this offense a bonafied #2. Marshall if he had any smarts should not only embrace this opportunity, he should openly lobby for it. Having a true #2 would create a ton of one on one situations for him.
I totally agree. If he pouts, oh well. I think winning more would limit that. Having less pressure on him to always be The Man, should be something he'd welcome too.
75 receptions with 960 yards receiving and 4 touchdowns without a QB last season is proof positive your post is imbecilic at best
I'm just going to leave it at this. yes, you have a point that he may not physically be able to produce at the level we should expect of a starting NFL QB. However, it is also completely possible and plausible that Manning does in fact play this season and play well at the same time. Unless somebody has a crystal ball, nobody will know what Peyton will look like this season come opening day. On a side note, I personally think he is worth the risk. This team has had crappy (putting it nicely) QB play since Marino retired, save Pennington in 08. We've taken risks on crappier QBs, so I wouldn't be the least bit upset if we gamble on one of the GOATs and he doesn't pan out.
I prefer a larger sample size, and since he has a 100 in the middle there...his average for the last three years is 95.6. Which means that my side of the bet is a slight favorite. (I thought this through, trust me, I like my money.)
The Miami medical team mis-evaluated Brees' injury and Saban apparently wouldn't say to Brees over the phone that he wanted him to be the QB, and Brees signed with New Orleans. Much different circumstances this time around.
Actually worse. One had concussion issues and the other was a drug addict. Peyton Manning is on a path for complete health. Chris Weinke spoke about this the last two days and needless to say, your doomsday scenario is a bit overblown.
