Does this change your opinion of Jeff Ireland? it does for me...maybe.

I'd argue the jury is still out on every single person you mention in that list. Considering that nearly all of them have performed at a mediocre level compared to their NFL peers, I'd say it's offbase to say I'm being a "hater".

 

Lol. Of course you think that, you're a hater. Tannehill has a better QBR than Luck and Weeden, for example. You'd be blowing Tannehill right now if he wasn't picked by Ireland.

 

Sigh.

Link

Tannehill has a 75.9
Luck has a 75.5

 

100% not true, and you know better. I agreed with you 100% that Tannehill was the right pick and I still think he has a chance to be a franchise QB for the Miami Dolphins. In absence of hindsight, I still think he was the right pick and have NEVER criticized Ireland in that regard.

That said, I'd be "blowing" Tannehill right now if he had been able to throw more than 10 TDs in 15 games. I'd be "blowing" Tannehill right now if he had a postive TD/INT ratio.

P.S. I wouldn't really blow any player...not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

Your proof of this is...? Or is this more FinD hyperbole?

 

Does it make a difference?

 

I was clearly talking about the traditional quarterback rating. I didn't know espn had their own proprietary rating that they gave the initials to QBR too and that was somehow the world over recognized that way.

 

I did too and I agree. I'd also like to see some proof from FinD that Vonnie gave up on the season. Parcells and Ireland looked at the tapes of 2007, yet they kept Porter and Holliday both around in 2008.

 

So it is baseless hyperbole. Glad we cleared that up.

 

who in the hell means QBR when saying QBR?

 

I hope you're not suggesting that Tanny is better than Luck because he's less than a point ahead of him in passer rating

 

The correct answer was, "Only people who work for ESPN"

 

And he goes nuts in another thread.....

 

I disagree, if the eagles set the price then we agreed then THEY balked, then I agree with NOT closing the deal. If we would have then offered more the eagles could ask for the moon and what would we have to do then? They named the price, we accepted, they balked, so it was on them to come back to us at the price they offered up.

 

I don't care what bs stat you find nor its name.

Tannehill is NOT as good as Luck, Hartline is NOT as good as Marshall. Why must these obvious things be pointed out to you on a weekly basis.

 

You are welcome. The more you know.

 

Seriously? Thats your proof he was the driving force that after the fact he said WE? LMAO.

OK

 

I don't understand why it is such a false notion that Philbin was behind or at least a party to the trading of Brandon Marshall.

All coaches when they interview for a job talk about what they would do with the current roster and their plan for the season. I have heard of cases where owners bring in some coaches for interviews to fish for ideas while giving them an opportunity to be in front of an owner for an interview

 

Fine.

You'll recall there was a big push by the defensive veterans to get Dom Capers the HC coaching gig. So big they actually spoke to the papers about it. When, Cam was announced, they went back to the papers talking about how they had no idea who "this guy" was and weren't impressed. Then each one of them took tot he papers again after the draft to blast that. Whether they were right or wrong isn't the point I'm trying to make, the point is that team belonged to Taylor, Porter & Holliday. It would take a Parcells or Belicheat type personality to get the reins from them. Cam was certainly not that. The first four games that year sealed the deal, and there was no way anyone was going to buy into the system after that. Those first four loses were squarely on the shoulders of the defense. They played gassed and badly which is inexcusable for a such a storied and veteran unit.

Now I know, that you won't accept any of that as proof since you already disagree with me. I know you won't accept anything less then a direct quote from each of those players admitting they staged a coup before you'll even entertain a single concept counter to one you already held, which is why i asked what difference does it make....

 

A reporter says Philbin initiated the trade and because he said it, its true yet Philbin says he didnt initiate that trade but he is lying? I guess I just dont get the argument. Reporters dont lie, but they do get inaccurate info at times.

yet a coach says something and it is automatically a lie? makes no sense

I swear sometimes it seems like people get caught in being right rather than getting it right.

Could Philbin have been involved in making the trade or wanting the trade? Sure. But is just as possible that what he said was true.

 

When did he say that?

 

The point is that Luck is praised and MB thinks Tannehill is questionable. The rating was enough to discredit that. I know the only stats you accept are ones that bookies use, which is great, lucky for me i wasn't making a bet when i mentioned it.

 

didnt say he couldnt I have no idea how it truely went down. What I do take issue with is someone criticizing a post saying he wasnt based on a quote by Philbin and refuting is as absolutely false because a reporter said at the time it was Philbin. Or that when answering a question why the trade went down Philbin says We. Which is ok in him believing that Philbin was, it just doesnt prove someone else wrong. Which he is saying he did

 

Miami Dolphins coach Joe Philbin said "not really" when he was asked Sunday if he had any regrets about trading Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall to the Chicago Bears.

"I think you make the decisions with the information and make the best decisions you can make at the time you make them," Philbin said. "You have to look forward. I'm certainly not sitting back here second-guessing anybody on that decision."


that was in a post by Jinx, to wit is part the argument Joe vs So Fla media on who was behind it.

 

And you add nothing to another one but bull****.

 

He said was Tanny was questionable. That was my only point.

 

I wonder why people are having to say that every week, when i never once said either of those things. Must be because you are full of crap.

 

I don't think he is lying. I don't think he is saying he isn't a part of it.

maybe FinD is going a little overboard, however it wouldn't be FinD if he didn't

 

There's nothing in that quote that says he didn't initiate the trade.

 

I do agree that using "WE" aslo doesn't mean that he was a part of it

 

He wasn't talking to me, he was talking to Fineas. But that was funny

 

I said the jury is still out. I was being positive but also being a realist. In what world do you live in where 10TD/12INT, and 10 TDs in 15 games is a proven franchise QB?

 

Well, first I didn't say he was the driving force. I said that is what was reported by Dave Hyde and Barry Jackson, the cites to which I have previously posted and you are free to look for them. It was similarly reported by the Phinsider:

http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/8/...eff-ireland-vontae-davis-trade-miami-dolphins

National media have reported the same. When asked why the trade was made he said "we" think it is in the best interests of the team going forward. When asked if he regretted the decision, he said he didn't. What do you have to suggest anything to the contrary? Anything? Anything at all?

 

I guess the same world where "the jury is still out" is apparently not the same thing as "questionable".

 

Where did Philbin say he didn't want or ask for them to trade Marshall?

It's not just one reporter who said it was done at his initiative, it was multiple reporters. After the trade happened in March, Ross said they had been shopping Marshall for two months. What happened two months before Marshall was actually traded? Philbin was hired. What a coincidence.