Does a team need the deep ball to win?

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  1. speed

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    Nobody knows huh?

    :smackhead:

    And that explains why we have threads like "Trade Tannehill".
     
  2. 13Machine8385

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    You were replying to me and I am bigtime pro Tannehill. Must have me mixed up with the other dude with the 1385 in his name. That guy is out of control.
     
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  3. speed

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    Yeah, I had accidentally blocked you thinking you were the other guy lol.
     
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  4. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Tannehill sucks...

    He couldn't even start at Ohio State...

    Urban Meyer would b like, hey bro maybe you can play some more WR....

    LOL....
     
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  5. Fin D

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    Think it through. Why didn't we make more Super Bowls....? Go ahead.....
     
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  6. shamegame13

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    Lol his head might be exploding right now...:mad:
     
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  7. speed

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    Ummm...sir? Could it be that the only 1000 yard rusher he had was Karim Abdul Jabbar? And by then Dan was nearing the end of his career?
     
  8. 13Machine8385

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    1) 1985 (season) AFC Championship - Lost to a team we should've beat. Damn that game to hell. The Pats hadn't won in our house since 1966. 6 turnovers!!!! That game haunts me more than any other. Bears rematch would have been a classic.

    2) Defense went to crap in 1986.

    3) Had no running game. I remember getting tricked a couple of times into thinking Hampton and Stradford were good but nope.

    4) The Bills in the early 90's and all that "lets go Buffalo" song that burns in my soul.
     
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  9. speed

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    OK, here is the answer to the cover 0 question.

    Marshawn Lynch. GB brought the house to shut down the run since they had been getting gashed and were no doubt tired. They blitzed the kitchen sink and Wilson had one on one with the safety, the WR went up and got the ball. Game over.

    We don't have a RB as fearsome, or a line that can actually block, so other teams rarely have to blitz and leave zero coverage up top.

    Truly any half decent QB should be able to beat that kind of defense if given enough time.
     
  10. speed

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    You win!
     
  11. Fin D

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    Then I sincerely, sincerely apologize.
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

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    Because he is one of the best rushers in the league.
     
  13. speed

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    You win too!
     
  14. djphinfan

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    Yuppers.
     
  15. roy_miami

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    You think Green Bay is happy with that plan now?

    Thats the thing, defensive coordinators (continue) to play Wilson like a rookie forcing him to beat them, and all he has done is amassed a 36-12 record and is one of the most efficient QBs of all time. Maybe opposing coaches should get a clue and stop "forcing" Wilson to beat them, because he has proven he will do just that. Or maybe its a "pick your poison" type scenario and they are ****ed either way.
     
  16. jdang307

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    The plan worked beautifully. They lost that game on special teams.
     
  17. 77FinFan

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    A familiar feeling.
     
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  18. roy_miami

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    Really? I only watched the game 4 times but I could have sworn that was Russell Wilson and Seattle's offense on the field for the last play of the game.
     
  19. Skidrow

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    Im going to say no, you dont need the deep ball to win, but you have to be able to compensate for that on other areas in your team. Brady wasn't a great deep ball thrower by any means during the patriots superbowl wins, but good defenses, a strong running game, and an efficient short passing game helped compensate for the lack of a deep ball.
     
  20. Fin4Ever

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    Sorry, couldn't' help this but 4.25 forty.
     
  21. 77FinFan

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    You remember reading that or what?
     
  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    You need the ability to make big plays to win, IMO.

    One way of getting big plays is being able to throw deep.

    If you can't, you are limiting yourself.

    if you don't even try, you are limiting yourself even more, since the defense can concentrate on stopping your other big play options...
     
  23. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    And fired ST Coordinator yesterday...
     
  24. Fin4Ever

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    Yes I Do and along with Marino, Duper was my favorite Player. Also you can even listen to the clip in this thread on Duper and hear Curt Gowdy mention his 4.25 Speed. I also still have my Dolphin Digest from the year 1983 Draft edition with his measurable's in it.
     
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  25. jdang307

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    You must be watching the wrong game then. Fake FG TD ring a bell? And of course, Brandon Bostick. Russell wilson doesn't get on the field if Bostick sticks to his assignment which is to BLOCK instead of going for the ball which is what the hands team is supposed to do (Jordy Nelson I think). Russell Wilson doesn't even get a chance if Bostick sticks to his assignment and Nelson makes the catch.

    Again, the plan worked beautifully. If the ST didn't have a colossal breakdown it's the Packers and Patriots in the Super Bowl. Do you disagree with this? That's 14 pts the special teams is responsible for.
     
  26. speed

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    Don't forget if Clinton-Dix knocks down that ridiculous floating 2 pt conversion, OT never happens. Seattle was all kinds of lucky which is why I am rooting for the Pats.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    Who was blocking Peppers on Lynch's TD run?
     
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    Why wasn't Wilson sacked on that play?
     
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    He rolled out and then back pedaled. Threw a pass that kids in Pop Warner are taught never to throw, off his back foot, across his body, across the field, into coverage.

    It was a pure luck, a Hail Mary prayer that was somehow answered.

    He won't be able to pull that schoolyard crap tonight. Revis would have come down with that ball. Every time.
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    Evading the sack was not luck at all.
     
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    No, he ran straight back away from the pass rush. Anybody can do that.

    The pass should have never been completed. That's much more on GB than Wilson.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    No, not anybody can do that IMO. Most QBs take the sack there.
     
  33. speed

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    Maybe, but I see QBs every weekend avoid being sacked. Don't remember the whole play, but if you say so.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Ive watched that play several times, even in slo mo, It was a ridiculous display of athlete ability and awareness just to get the play off, that talent gave the opp to the receiver a chance to make the play...I think we can make a generalization of what this person is all about, and thats blind hate.
     
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  35. djphinfan

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    nice evaluation skills displayed in this post.
     
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  36. 77FinFan

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    Makes me wish I'd of kept mine.
     
  37. Tannephins

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    In fact you could argue that Wilson's elusiveness behind the line compensates for his team's biggest weakness (its pass blocking) in a way perhaps that no other single player in the league does for his team. By extension, you could argue that the team would in fact be doing comparatively very poorly if its quarterback was Tannehill. Based on what you read in some of the posts here, however, you'd think the team would be flying just as high, if not higher, with Tannehill at QB. Simple logic would tell you, however, that Tannehill's primary weakness (being "statuesque" behind the line) wouldn't jibe well with Seattle's primary weakness on offense (its poor pass blocking).
     
  38. jdang307

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    Some people avoid sacks by pure intuition, strength, speed. Most a combination of those 3, at least 2. Romo, Big Ben, Dan, Wilson all are/were good at it. Peyton and Brady do it with pure smarts and a quick release. It is definitely a skill.

    Wilson made the plays. Mere competence by Green Bay on special teams ends the game. That's not to take away from Wilson, he had to do what he had to do. If Wilson doesn't make those plays, they don't take advantage of the mistakes by Green Bay.

    But he didn't force himself over the a perfectly executing Green Bay, let's be honest. When the game was on Special Teams they could have played Benny Hill theme music that's how bad it was (In fact ... hmmm someone should do that LOL).

    That doesn't take away anything Wilson did at the end of the game which was win win win. But if we are talking about GB's gameplan on defense, it worked beautifully.
     

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