Dion not practicing, likely wont start.

I don't care if he plays another preseason game.

Dion Jordan must have a monster year for us. That is the bottom line.

Damn it, shut him down, do another small rehab assignment..

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

I don't care if he plays another preseason game.

Dion Jordan must have a monster year for us. That is the bottom line.

Or what? You'll post more anti Ireland bunk and rhetoric than you already do?

We can be a playoff team this year and Dion Jordan can never play a down.....and you'd still not chnage a single thing about your posts would you?

I don't find Sturgis to be the most impressive rookie based on what we've seen and know. I wouldn't even put Sturgis in the top 3 most impressive rookies.

"Stitches wrote:

I don't find Sturgis to be the most impressive rookie based on what we've seen and know. I wouldn't even put Sturgis in the top 3 most impressive rookies.

You're not Armando, which means you're not a member of "The League of Evil & Bitter Sports Writers Who Lie to Create Controversy".

"Fin D wrote:

Or what? You'll post more anti Ireland bunk and rhetoric than you already do?

We can be a playoff team this year and Dion Jordan can never play a down.....and you'd still not chnage a single thing about your posts would you?

Long term health obviously the most important thing here.

what a weak article/blurb. so, he might miss some preseason time. big deal if he's going to only be a situational player for us this season.

I've not gone into a season hoping a rookie would play lights out. It's always awesome to see it happen (RGIII, Wilson, AJ Green, etc...) but it's always best to assume the rookies will have zero impact in year 1. As long as DJ gets bigger and stronger, more experience, I'm happy with that.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

what a weak article/blurb. so, he might miss some preseason time. big deal if he's going to only be a situational player for us this season.

The gist of the article, I thought, was that since he's having to miss some preseason time, it limits his ability to crack the starting lineup this year....or at least, that is the way the staff is looking at his situation...

At any rate, the long term health is the issue, not the preseason...

My expectations for Jordan all along have been as a nickel pass-rusher. If he can give the team 7-10 sacks, that would be a successful rookie year IMO.

Aldon Smith didn't start his first year either.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

I don't care if he plays another preseason game.

Dion Jordan must have a monster year for us. That is the bottom line.

I see a lot of people make these types of statements and I just can't bring myself to understand them. Please help me understand your thinking. Jordan was not drafted because of his production last year, I know you understand that, he was drafted on his untapped upside. He is a very raw talent that will need time to become an all around talent. This is not something that is going to happen in one year. He is not the polished DE that some of the other high picks were, but his UPSIDE is what he was drafted for, right??

Now having said that, I hear some say he HAS to have a monster rookie year like they think that matters some how. Do you think if he has 2 sacks for the year and doesn't start until the last two games of the season THIS year, but goes on to become a HOFer and lead the league in sacks 5 of the next 10 years that it was some how a mistake to trade up to draft him?? I mean REALLY!!! I know we live in a microwave age, where everyone wants everything 5 minutes ago, and can't stand to wait on ANYTHING, but in the grand schme of things, just how important is a player's rookie year??

I can remember not too long ago when the conventional wisdom said you NEVER started a rookie at any point. Some coaches made comments like "it will cost you at least one game for every rookie you start". Now there are those who say if it doesn't come in ready to play from the first game you overdrafted him. I just don't understand that kind of thinking, please help me understand.

Obviously there are no sure things. If he is a bust then he is a bust, and to be honest I think he has a fairly high chance of being just that. But if he turns out to be as good as a lot of people think, if he turns out to be the best defensive player in this draft class, does it really matter to some of you if he has a bad rookie year?? Will that make Jeff wrong for drafting raw talent that needs more than a year to get used to playing in the NFL??

Good points, NC

Instant gratification has cost more than one GM and/or coach his job. Everyone looks at Wilson or RG3 and says "why not our guy" (whoever that is) and it's just not that simple. Those guys are exceptions, not the rule... Look at Cam Wake a few years ago...He was just a guy we picked up from Canada that had flunked out of his NFL shot a few years before. In his first year, he was a 3rd down rushing specialist and had to work on his run support because he was NOT very good at it...amazing how things have changed for that kid and now he's a star in the league... Maybe, just maybe the same will be said about Jordan in 3 yrs, but that still doesn't erase the reality that he may or may not have a major impact this year....

All the more motivation for OV to blow up. I really want to see how much he improves this year.

"NCFINFAN wrote:

I see a lot of people make these types of statements and I just can't bring myself to understand them. Please help me understand your thinking. Jordan was not drafted because of his production last year, I know you understand that, he was drafted on his untapped upside. He is a very raw talent that will need time to become an all around talent. This is not something that is going to happen in one year. He is not the polished DE that some of the other high picks were, but his UPSIDE is what he was drafted for, right??

Now having said that, I hear some say he HAS to have a monster rookie year like they think that matters some how. Do you think if he has 2 sacks for the year and doesn't start until the last two games of the season THIS year, but goes on to become a HOFer and lead the league in sacks 5 of the next 10 years that it was some how a mistake to trade up to draft him?? I mean REALLY!!! I know we live in a microwave age, where everyone wants everything 5 minutes ago, and can't stand to wait on ANYTHING, but in the grand schme of things, just how important is a player's rookie year??

I can remember not too long ago when the conventional wisdom said you NEVER started a rookie at any point. Some coaches made comments like "it will cost you at least one game for every rookie you start". Now there are those who say if it doesn't come in ready to play from the first game you overdrafted him. I just don't understand that kind of thinking, please help me understand.

Obviously there are no sure things. If he is a bust then he is a bust, and to be honest I think he has a fairly high chance of being just that. But if he turns out to be as good as a lot of people think, if he turns out to be the best defensive player in this draft class, does it really matter to some of you if he has a bad rookie year?? Will that make Jeff wrong for drafting raw talent that needs more than a year to get used to playing in the NFL??

Like Larry says, your post is filled with good points and common sense, EXCEPT for the part where you ask folks with the "he has to have a monster year for us, or else!" mindset to help you understand their thinking. Agendas or a lack of football acumen - take your pick.

Obviously, barring a long-term shoulder (or other) injury, he's going to get on the field and make some plays, which will be exciting and everyone wants to see. But coaching and hard work matter in football, so yeah, he should be good this year (how good remains to be seen) but get better over the year and in the next few years to where he's a force on our defense for close to a decade. That's the hope, anyway.

"Finrunner wrote:

Like Larry says, your post is filled with good points and common sense, EXCEPT for the part where you ask folks with the "he has to have a monster year for us, or else!" mindset to help you understand their thinking. Agendas or a lack of football acumen - take your pick.

Obviously, barring a long-term shoulder (or other) injury, he's going to get on the field and make some plays, which will be exciting and everyone wants to see. But coaching and hard work matter in football, so yeah, he should be good this year (how good remains to be seen) but get better over the year and in the next few years to where he's a force on our defense for close to a decade. That's the hope, anyway.

Yeah I guess I understand those with an agenda. I didn't like the pick at the time either. I would have taken Lane Johnson if I traded up. But I am not so stubborn that I will pull against a dolphins player just so I can say I was right. He is a dolphin now and I will hope and pray I was wrong about him and he turns into a superstar. And to me it doesn't matter if he becomes that superstar this year or two years from now, as long as he is still wearing a fins jersey I will be super happy we picked him.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

I don't care if he plays another preseason game.

Dion Jordan must have a monster year for us. That is the bottom line.

No, he doesn't. Bottom line he's our DE for next 5yrs +. Now that's the bottom line because.....I won't go down wrestling route.

It's still almost a month to the first game so there is a lot of time and I agree with others. I never thought of Jordan as a player who would be ready to start. He's simply not strong enough - especially without having had a season of heavy lifting. He's a spot player who can rush the passer and along with others the Aldon Smith comparison has been in the minds of many since the hour Jordan was drafted. Even if he gets half of Smith's production as a spot player he can add a lot to the D.

It's early, but the Dolphins might not get the impact they hoped for from their rookie class.

God I hate this douche, someone please smack the **** out of him.

I'd say being overly cautious is the right route...IMHO. I'm not dying to see him rush back and blow that shoulder out for good because it wasn't developed properly. THAT would be 100% bust, and it would be the team's fault. Who gives a damn if he doesn't even start at all this year, if it means he's healthy going forward and learns a ton from Cam? Would LOVE to see him out there, but not at the expense of ending his career stupidly.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I'd say being overly cautious is the right route...IMHO. I'm not dying to see him rush back and blow that shoulder out for good because it wasn't developed properly. THAT would be 100% bust, and it would be the team's fault. Who gives a damn if he doesn't even start at all this year, if it means he's healthy going forward and learns a ton from Cam? Would LOVE to see him out there, but not at the expense of ending his career stupidly.

Philbin's MO from last season was to sprinkle the rookies in sparingly until after mid-season, then give them more playing time. Even then, he limited them.

"NCFINFAN wrote:

Jordan was not drafted because of his production last year, I know you understand that, he was drafted on his untapped upside . . . Will that make Jeff wrong for drafting raw talent that needs more than a year to get used to playing in the NFL??

No he did not draft raw talent. If he did, he would've drafted Ansah. They moved up for the best player they thought would help them now. They targeted him and gave up a lot for him after sending the whole building to scout the combine.

"NCFINFAN wrote:

This is not something that is going to happen in one year.

Much like waiting for Odrick, Misi, Henne, etc. No, this is the #3 pick. He needs to come in and play like the best DE in the game. He can either play or cannot.

We have a game manager young quarterback. This offense needs the D to win games. And he was drafted to and needs to be there at the edge creating pressure, turnovers, and stops. If he is not, he is a busted #3 pick.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

No he did not draft raw talent. If he did, he would've drafted Ansah. They moved up for the best player they thought would help them now. They targeted him and gave up a lot for him after sending the whole building to scout the combine.

Much like waiting for Odrick, Misi, Henne, etc. No, this is the #3 pick. He needs to come in and play like the best DE in the game. He can either play or cannot.

We have a game manager young quarterback. This offense needs the D to win games. And he was drafted to and needs to be there at the edge creating pressure, turnovers, and stops. If he is not, he is a busted #3 pick.

LOLz