And Carmelo Anthony. Funny that they are on the same team and they still can't figure out why they are losing
I think if you watched the UF game you would have seen that overall UF was the better team. The big difference there was the QB play of each team. Bridgewater made plays when he had to (he was lights out on 3rd down) and Driskel, to put it shortly sucks. I think UF got unlucky with a lot of tipped balls and other various plays throughout the game. 8 out of 10 times UF wins that game and I don't know how you could watch that game and think otherwise. Simply put Clemson matched up well against LSU, who has been overrated this whole year. SC in my opinion has also been over ranked this year. It's the classic speed vs strength argument. I think if you put Oregon's offense up against Alabama or even Notre Dame's defense it would be ugly. And I don't even want to think about what Alabama's OL would do to the Oregon defense...
I can see the Lawson comparison with him... I was a lot younger when Lawson came out and was absolutely enamored with him. I thought he was going to be a slam dunk, an all-star in the NFL. I learned my lesson with that one pretty quickly lol.
Interesting scouting report on Jordan: Overall: Dion Jordan is one of the toughest evaluations I’ve ever done. There is so much to like here: his length, his speed, his hand usage, his motor and attitude. Many of his attributes are special, even rare, and that brings tantalizing potential. Jordan has proven he can translate that potential at times as well, showing he can make the splash and impact plays in every game. He’s likable, works hard, and carries himself with confidence and posture that can intimidate. He has the potential to be an ideal fit in a hybrid defense, or as a Wide 9 pass rusher, or even a SAM backer in base defense that turns into a stand-up DE in passing situations if he can get a little stronger. But there are serious issues with Jordan as well. Elite NFL edge pass rushers all show the ability to flatten around the edge, something Jordan simply cannot do and will never be able to do because of his upright gait and stiffness in his lower body. He sorely lacks strength to set the edge or handle close-quartered combat that is more common in the NFL than the PAC-12. Despite being fast and having quick arms and hands, his ankles and hips are stiff and his lateral agility is subpar. http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/01/dion-jordan-scouting-report/ I will agree, from what I've seen, about him turning the corner on the pass rush (ok, ok, bending the arc). Alen mentioned it and I commented on that when the thread was started a month ago or so- he gets pushed out wide quite a bit, at least that's what I've noticed in games and clips. I'd have to disagree, in my limited opinion, about his lateral agility- he seemed pretty quick to me in pass pro moving side to side, I liked that as per his chances of being an NFL OLB. Something to keep an eye out for, nonetheless. Also, as to his strength- I tried to take a close look online to get a better look at his upper body strength. He might be a little bigger up top than I thought, as per what CK was saying about his strength. From a distance in games he looked awfully thin, but maybe not so much. He does play with a certain amount of strength but this writer brings up the issue of lower body strength, and I think that it's an interesting point as per him bending the arc not so well, getting pushed outside, all that. I've seen him ripping guys sideways with good upper body strength, but if he's getting pushed outside a lot in college, that obviously could be a problem in the pros as per his lower body strength. Cameron Wake obviously, Werner is very good at it, and I'll agree to disagree about Damontre Moore and bending the arc, because from what I've seen he gets excellent lean and uses his bubble/legs well to drive towards the QB. I like Jordan quite a bit, but it's not rare for him to get taken for a ride when he's trying to turn the corner. Which goes back to the leg strength issue... I have no good answer as to Jordan's lower body strength issues, not enough info, but it has me curious and I'd like to find out more. We'll see what info come around in the next few months leading up to the draft. Upper body photo of Jordan: http://www.thephinsider.com/2013-nf.../2013-nfl-mock-draft-mocking-the-draft-update ps Stringer Bell made a good point about Jordan's lower body strength and his pass rush earlier in the thread.
If anything the negatives will merely push him down the draft board into the second rd. Any word on his surgery?
The combine will answer a lot of the questions you ask..genetics, lateral movement and agility will be spotlighted, from there We'll have a better idea on how much space this kid can cover in our scheme.
Just had surgery though. Some of the things being said about him remind me of Orakpo/Dunlap when they were coming out.
Dunlap is huge and Orakpo is thick, muscle on top of muscle. The guy can bench over 500 lbs and squat over 600 lbs., a monster. Jordan is just a different body type. http://www.muscleprodigy.com/brian-orakpo-workout-arcl-1257.html
Orakpo probably put on 10-15 pounds since the draft, Dunlap has also gotten really thick compared to the whippet he was at Florida. That is one of the things with prospects, it is not how they look now, it is how they look in 2-3 yrs. I loved Michael Johnson coming out, most did not.
So I guess this isn't him. Because the guy in these clips is flattening around the edge. Must be some other #96 on Oregon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U&feature=player_detailpage#t=22s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U&feature=player_detailpage#t=70s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U&feature=player_detailpage#t=129s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U&feature=player_detailpage#t=202s http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1UwVrBRruEk#t=15s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4&feature=player_detailpage#t=47s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=97s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=151s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=157s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=234s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMoel8E3HaE&feature=player_detailpage#t=336s
I agree. The writer said that he cannot, and he can. You pointed out more correctly iirc that he can, but confoundingly doesn't do it frequently enough. I think that the writer was trying to make a point and used a little too much hyperbole. It was a good piece though, at least in my opinion, but I also think that he might have exaggerated about Jordan's lack of lateral movement skills.
I hate to let one little piece of hyperbole ruin a piece but it was an important point and he glossed over a pretty big difference between reality and fantasy. I personally do not think that Dion Jordan flattens the edge consistently enough. But to say he never does, or "simply cannot"...is plain false. And I do believe one of the problems lies in his technique and lack of counters, variation. I'm sitting there watching these tackles block him and they're guarding against one thing the whole time...and he's not taking advantage properly.
Okay, I finally did enough watching of Dion to feel I had something to contribute to the discussion. Here are my notes. Dion Jordan, DE - Oregon (Games Watched: 2012 - USC, Arizona State, Stanford, Fresno State 2011 - Arizona USC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4 - good feet, active, pick through trash - aggressive hands - nice stance and base when engaged - looked unsure what to do on two-point stance rush, just drifted around tackle sizing him up, never rushed or engaged - integrates use of LOWER body and UPPER body well toegether when using arms to throw blockers aside - looks like he has an extrememly strong core. good functional strength, though not powerful in upperbody. generates power through legs, hips, waist, torso to upperbody - two nice outside rushes on RT then TE - a lot of 2 point stance. How is he with hand in dirt? - displays dip of shoulder - shudders tackles on impact (CK may be right, he is stronger than he appears because he integrates his power into a focused POP or SNAP well travelling from legs through core to upper body very effectively, like snatch or clean and jerk movement do) - Could be stronger planting foot and bending arc aggressively... I see hat Jim meant by him getting ridden wide a lot. Is it a lot more than most rush ends though? - gets there a second late a bunch of times on QB (also a flag for leading with helmet) - misses a pursuit backfield tackle when the guy cuts.. lateral quickness once running at speed questionable... typiucal when a guy has long legs and strides, not short choppy steps - can play some zone pass coverage Arizona State http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U - out wide as LB he ruishes well and gets sack. Quality of LT? - same on RT. - tries spin move and falls. interesting that I have seen no inside counter moves by him. in part because they rush him more like an OLB than a DE. - easily beats RT off snap, to spot, dips shoulder, bats hands away.. I mean, exactly how you want to see it done... but the RT looks slow, man. - a bit slow to react once a WR comes open... they already have the ball and are running for YAC before he seems to recognize the need to break towards them? - scrapes well down the line on goalline. Wish I'd seen them attack Dion directly and run at him in short yardage. Curious about that. Stanford - his get-off jumps out at you. He has taken one and half steps before anyone else on the Oregon defense had even moved. - These Stanford tackles look better than the AZ State ones. - blows up the lead blocking FB by diving low, destroys run play at POA - reacts well to draw play (but misses tackle) - really conscious of protecting his legs - RT puts him on his *** on run play, but not without a fight - These tackles are handling him. This is more what I'd expect at an NFL level. He simply cannot dominate these guys, but he does win some battles. - again blows up a run towards him - he is being totally neurtralized by these tackles. They kick back to the spot before he can get there, he can;t beat them to the corner, so ends up stymied. I want to see what his trick #2 is when the outside rush isn't working. - you know, his judgement has been pretty good as to when to hold his backside ocntain, and when to just abandon it and pursue the running back entirely across the field. Good sense of when the RB may cut back, versus when the RB will take that hole and go. - and as I say that he entirely blows an option read and chases the RB from behind as the QB runs through his vacated lane. lol. Forget what I thought I thought. Nobody knows anything. - LOL. the next play is another option, the RB takes it this time, so jordan hits the QB... he didn;t want the QB fooling him again. lol. - plays well in space, and pass coverage is okay.. well, very good for his frame and length. - seen him get held a few times. - he is great at eliminating the FB lead block. This guy feels more like a linebacker than a DE. - rush three, he makes it to the QB on an inside re-direct. nice. - no one seems to run at him on short short yardage. Is that because he is good at defending it? I wish I knew, but I have no footage to go on. - against these quality tackles, he got NO movement backwards, they were simply too big and strong for him to walk backwards or even punch on the snap. Fresno State - i'd expect him to dominate this - cut block well by back - misses tackle on back in open field - cut block again. Really susceptible to this - some great scarpes along the line to make the tackle. Makes tackles awaty from him down the line very well. This dude is wasted if he isn't allowed to play some LB in the bigs. - 2nd and 2... they run at him, he is ridden wide and fails to get back to make the tackle. First down. - as I start seeing him more as an OLB prospect than a DE, I wish I could see him in man coverage once or twice.. I have a feeling he'd get killed... I mean, if you take him as an OLB on a Pittsburgh and 85% of the time he is either rushing the QB or in a short zone, I think he's a great fit. But in a WOLB in a 4-3, like Burnett's role, I think he'd get killed on man-to-man assignments versus RBs and TEs. - gets coverage sack... RT actually had him handled. - gets a nice jam and re-route on a RB at the LOS! lol. This guy continues to surprise me. - getting my wish! in man-on-man the next play RB in slot (it looks like) beats him by a step on an inside cut, but other defender is there underneath the route so maybe it was schemed to be okay that way. Either way, Dion's height is a liability in man on man against short shifty guys. - a lot of short passes are keeping Dion from having time to get to the QB. He's giving the RB/LT headaches though on the rush. - nice and strong at POA on run down, playing with hand in dirt opposite RT. LOVE THAT. Showing me a little something here. Hm. - a lot of QB hurries - I would be tempted to compare him to a Julius Peppers.. similar frame, style, and speed. But Peppers had more thickness and power. The question, really, imo, that will determine Dion Jordan's success in this league is, can he put at least 20 pounds of good muscle on that frame? I think he can put 10-15, not much more. Can he be the next julius Peppers... not at that weight. Also, Peppers had a knack for big plays.. like the INT versus the Sooners. I'm not seeing many... well, ANY big impact plays out of Dion Jordan, and that has me wondering about his value. So far, not a top ten guy, in my eyes. More a guy for the 15-18 range. - that inside spin move is useless. Arizona 2011 - so far, all the same things I saw on the 2012 tape, but seems to have more pop and explosion in his step and hand use in 2012. I like that he seemed to develop a bit. - still left wondering where the big plays are - strip sack, forced fumbles, INTs... I'm still waiting, five games in, to see something big that impacted the game majorly. - does get to the QB once just after the throw - runs arc nicely, uses hands to slap LT away and gets the sack (well, maybe 1/2 sack as he couldn't bring him down.) - lets RB run right past him - penetrates but misses block in backfield (good to see he has a swim move though) - Dion gets a lot of QB hits after throws. That affects games, even if it isn't noticed. - boy, he LOVES stonewalling Fullbacks in the backfield.Dion has impact-power, he just can't sustain his power. Think of it like batspeed... he generates power like a Ken Grinney Jr used to, without it being raw power so much as timing and 'pop'. That's good. And actually, he plays with a decent base to anchor. He is a good DE, strengthwise, I have to say. Not powerful, per say, but not weak as I had thought based on his skinny ***. - Jesus Christ he just WATCHED a RB run right past, six inches from him... watched the RB approach.. didn't even extend and arm. Very frustrating to see that. I noticed he did that less in 2012 than in this 2011 game though. Overall, I like him, but more as a 3-4 OLB prospect than a 4-3 DE. His frame is great and if he were twenty pounds heavier with the same abilities I would be pounding the table for him, I bet. He's a guy who gets to the QB more than an average guy will, and in the right scheme could be a star, but I'm trying to decide what his floor is. Tough question. I just don't know. He can't be a 3 down hand in the dirt end at his size... I think he'd just wear down on the strongside. I think he could be a 3 down guy as OLB on a 3-4 team, but that isn't us. On the Dolphins he'd be a pass rush specialist (2nd and long occasionally, but mostly 3rd and long). Can you justify going with a rotational rush guy at #12? And by the way, I am concerned that he has no inside move. Of course, I said that about Wake once. He does not have Wake's build or explosiveness to overcome that. Since part of his value, immo is how he scrapes along the line vs the run, and pursues vs the run, and drops into zone... he is essentially better off in another scheme on another team. If we get him, he has to take Olivier Vernon's role, most likely (though I'd be interested in seeing him at Misi's spot). I don;t see ireland wanting to move Vernon down the depth chart after only one season. By the way, I HATE Olivier Vernon's pass rush and wish we WOULD move him to depth behind Misi. In which case I'd be fine with having jordan as a 3 down end for us... just not at #12 as I can;t be sure he'll be up to the task of getting run-down snaps on 1st and 2nd down. As others have noted, Jeff ireland likes first round players to start, and take full snaps. Does the role Dion Jordan would play on this defense make sense at #12 given the other players already in house? Does it maximize the results of that pick for us on the field? I'm not so sure. Intriguing player though.
I agree that Ansah doesn't have a quick get off and is not a threat to beat a tackle around the edge. But what I look for in a D lineman is a guy who gives an O-line fits in protection and blocking. One who makes a goddamned mess of things, because that's when big plays happen. Tackles for a loss. Strip sacks. INTs on QB hurries. Bad tosses to Rbs, etc. PLayers who are DISRUPTIVE are beautiful chaos to watch. To me, Ansah has that in a royal flush of spades.
I think it's too easy to see a guy that wiry and conclude he must be weak and bad against the run. That's why I think a close, critical viewing is necessary. Without reading every bit and piece it sounds like you now know what I mean when I say that Dion Jordan is a surprisingly strong player with good hands and ability to shock blockers, and consistent ability against the run. Someone else I saw responded to a post of mine about him and I thought he put it nicely. Those really wiry, sinewy guys go either one of two ways. Either they're weak and able to be moved around, or they're tough as old oak and unusually strong. I think Dion Jordan is the latter. It's the pass rush that is a going concern with him. His tool box currently consists of a phillips head screwdriver in his pocket. He needs more than that and I think his refusal to use more than that is helping offensive tackles take it away. He is essentially the OLB version of Quinton Coples.
I saw hiim use a swim move to go outside-in on a Tackle a couple times. It was fairly effective. He should be using it FAR more. I think, because he played like a standup OLB so much, it was VERY ingrained in him not to blow outside contain and I think reated a lack of instinct to move inside on a tackle. He would need time playing as a hand-in-thedirt end KNOWING an OLB had the outside, had his back. He has to develop a feel for being able to abandon the outside and aggresivvely counter inside... I think he doesn't 'feel' the outside support there. One of the many things that will come up when you try to transition a guy's role slightly between his college role at OLB and an NFL role at 4-3 DE. And the questiuon is, will he make that adjustment and start going inside more? If not, Coyle would have to dial up more B-gap sugaring to keep tackle-guard combos honest and guessing.
I would play him as an OLB in a 4-3. It's unconventional for a guy who is 6-6 to play OLB but I have never seen a guy with his body type run so fluidly. I don't think he fits as a DE in Coyle's defense because Coyle needs a stronger guy there. But you can line him up in space against against TEs and cover guys and get off blockers like Gronkowski all day. He can blitz standing up through the A gap. Because it's so unconventional I don't think I would see it happen though.
An Upright gait and stiffness is not what I see when I watch Jordan's lower body..I think he has some explosive lateral movement.
Could you explain what you mean? Like when he comes off blocks to get to a runningback, or when he is rushing? I don't know. He didn't look laterally 'explosive' to me, but he definitely moved very well laterally. I think, for instance, of any of the D-linemen, he'll be best at those combine drills that LB's do where they move side to side parallell to the LOS.
I think that the writer was exaggerating a bit to make his points. Good article, but he took it too far, at least imo. I like how Jordan moves in space and to me he looks fluid in coverage, laterally back pedalling/shifting left or right. Not as good as the guy in the clip below who is my favorite pure OLB, but nonetheless imo Jordan looks good in coverage and tracking down offensive players laterally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfUlsnuwLGc
Apparently weighed in at 226lbs at his pre draft camp!!! "Gaines has Jordan on an multi-meal-per-day plan, though the regimen is tightly controlled from a nutritional perspective. "As soon as we're done working out, he'll have a post-recovery shake, and a banana, and peanut butter," Gaines said on Tuesday morning from the field at Fairfax High School. "After his rehab session, he'll have snack number 2, which is a peanut butter protein shake. Then, Lunch A at noon, a workout at 1:30, and then he'll have Lunch B at 3:00. Post-workout recovery again, snack at 5:00 p.m., an 'A' at 6:00, and a 'B' at 8:00, and a peanut-butter protein shake at 10:00 p.m." That may sound appealing to most foodies -- sportswriters in particular can get behind the whole "Lunch A and Lunch B" idea -- but as Gaines said, the plan here is to get Jordan up to 250 pounds by the scouting combine in late February without robbing him of any of the things -- specifically speed and explosiveness -- that make him special. Gaines said that Jordan has put on seven pounds since he arrived at the training facility, which puts him at 234, and the idea is to gain four pounds per week. "I don't know how he played football at 226 pounds," Gaines told me. "But [increasing weight while retaining speed] is easy, because the stronger he gets, the faster he'll get. Right now, he's really lean, and we'll keep his lean muscle mass. He's not going to be bulky -- he'll still be fluid and he'll be faster than before, because he'll have more lean muscle, and he'll really be able to move."
It's pretty amazing he was as strong as he was at that weight. But I'm pretty sure Jason Taylor played at near to that weight at various points in his career.
Sounds like Aaron Maybin redux. Call me crazy but I wouldn't touch a player at #12 that I couldn't see play at his new, heavier weight, nor know whether or not he could keep it on.
I saw this: "Jordan played half of the 2012 season with a torn labrum suffered on October 27th. He's working with Jay Glazer at MMA Academy and will put off surgery until after the combine. Jordan will be good to go at OTAs." ~Mike Sudds, DraftTek Browns Analyst. so I'm going over 2011 film. And before I forget, I'm starting to warm up to Kiko Alonso- size, wheels, aggressiveness and I like his feel for the game. Check out the sweet spin move at 2:53: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiEgdcwIu9I The next play, at 3:01, look how Alonso uses his feet, that deft shuffle, then quickly slides in to nearly get a sack- dude is crafty, I like his style. Nice play at :50 as well. Anyway, back to Jordan. Take a look at the first play, how wide out he is, then same thing different side at :41. Based upon his lanky build, ability to cover in space and how he tends to get tangled up with OTs at the LOS, I'm looking at Jordan more and more as an OLB, not DE. I am not thrilled with him as a pass rusher- he doesn't look terribly skilled to me and he's just awfully thin- granted Jason Taylor got it done, but the bottom line is that Taylor could consistently beat NFL OTs (minus Tony Boselli when he was healthy, who just snuffed him out) but I'm not so sure that Jordan will be able to. Better fit imo as a blitzer than a hand on the ground DE. I like Jordan- he's a playmaker, can cover and can create some havoc- but he concerns me. All of these guys concern me, I don't see a slam dunk out there. When I look at the film of DEs/OLBs one guy stands out- Alec Ogletree. Total playmaker, has the size and speed, instincts, agressiveness, the works. But I need to see more film of him as a pass rusher. For the DEs maybe look for value in Devin Taylor/Corny Washington/Mallicah Goodman If you like Jordan, imo you'd better like him at OLB, not DE. Too thin and he has to prove that he can consistently beat OT's, I don't see that. I do like him though as a blitzer and cover OLB, plus a willing and capable run defender who understands leverage. Maybe this for a mock: 1. OLB Alec Ogletree 2. OT Menelik Watson 2. CB Desmond Trufant 3. DE Tank Carridine 3. WR Steadman Bailey 4. OLB Sean Porter 4. WR Marquise Goodwin 5. DE Cornelious Washington 6. 7. WR Marquess Wilson 7. TE Zach Sudfeld I took the liberty of adding the 4th rd pick (reported comensatory pick)- basically because I wanted to add a TE or Marquise Goodwin. So, here's to the extra 4th... And I'm hoping that Wilson slides due to character concerns. As per 7th rd pick TE Zach Sudfeld: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOPJrJkh1w I'm flying blind, but I like the size, speed, what I've heard and how he looks as a blocker and a receiver in this clip- tough, athletic TE.
Space..the amount/radius of space he can cover, from any direction is explosive..I don't remember the opponent, but he went from his def end position to the open flat in one movement, covered about 5 yards, it was jaw dropping..I've seen him covering the corner on the perimeter, time the snap, blitz the Qb, and finish..He's a freak athlete, he can move in any direction fluidly, and he's taking the scientific approach to his body...I'm in.
Incredible breakdown, and seriously, we are lucky to have such devoted draft guys like you, raf, boomer, rich etc. here on a daily basis. With that said, do you think someone like Jordan would benefit from coming onto a team with an already dominate pass rusher (wake) who could show him the ropes, get the focus off of him, and teach him a thing or 2? Ala: Jason Taylor and Adawale Ogunleye back in the day?
I'm guessing I'm etc. I think Dion Jordan looks great in the color green and will look make the change to aqua easily.
You know, I don't remember a lot about what Jason Taylor looked like when he was at Akron. I'm not sure if there was any indication that he would become the player he became in the NFL. What I do remember were that there were significant questions about his size coming out of Akron. He played as a stand up rusher in the 3-4 defense at Akron, and there were a lot of questions about his ability to defend the run if he had to put his hand on the ground. Sound familiar? I can actually see a lot of Jason Taylor when I watch Dion Jordan. They have that same, angular frame and similar overall athleticism. IMO, I think what people didn't realize about JT when he was coming out was just how strong he was. Early in his career, he was a better run defender than pass rusher. I'm not sure people realize that JT's first double digit sack season came in his 4th year, and he only had one double digit sack season in his first 5 years. In one of those seasons, he only had 2.5 sacks in 15 games. The most underrated aspect of his game throughout his career, especially early on, was his ability against the run. JT played with great leverage and utilized those long arms well. That's what I see when I see Dion Jordan. Most that look at him see the thin frame and think that he's all athleticism and speed, but this guy has great natural strength.
Sure does, I think he's more athletic than JT, faster..To me it comes down to risk versus reward, I think his talent and Size/ athletic ratio is worth the risk..
Uh oh. I'm starting to sip the koolaid on Dion Jordan. I still think Tank Carradine is the best, most complete future pro DE in this draft (with the potential exception of Werner)
Are there any legitimate Will linebacker candidates (with good coverage ability) who can also apply QB pressure like Zach Brown. That would be something of interest. Perhaps Sean Porter. Cant think of anyone else ATM.
I would have to think he would benefit from that, yes. Which is part of the reason I'm so disappointed in Olivier Vernon. He's getting a fair amount of winnable matchups and situations, he's just not winning. Overall the Dolphins won't have much interest in him though unless it's to play a real linebacker position. A shame, but true.
If I had to guess? I think he might just end up exchanging one shade of green for another shade of green.
You think Chip Kelly brings him in, eh? #4 overall? Phew. That seems awfully high, especially with their current investments on that d-line already. But hell, who knows.
I have Jordan pegged in at the Jets pick. HE seems like a perfect fit for the jets. Will probably struggle against the run but man he is quite the athlete.
