Dion Jordan and Sheldon Richardson.... Did the Dolphins make a mistake?

this is a tough thing for me, cause I had both players even coming out..one is a young stud, the other a 290 lb junk food dope head.

imo..dion jordan is 30 to 35 bs overweight.... and has gotten some really bad advice by his coaching staff.

"hidden202 wrote:

Did the Dolphins make a mistake for choosing Dion Jordan over Sheldon Richardson? I'm frustrated to see no matter how awful the Jets are that Sheldon Richardson is putting together a good season at 6.5 sacks and is an anchor to build around on that Jets defense. Is there any hope left for Dion Jordan? Will he be better than Sheldon Richardson eventually?

DJ is not even half the player SR is. DJ was a huge mistake.

It isn't even a debate at this point in their careers. Richardson is by far the better player and it appears Jordan is headed in the direction of being one of the biggest bust in Dolphin history.

The fact Jordan only gets on the field for about a third of the Dolphins defensive plays and you hardly ever see him make a play shows clearly that the coaching staff has very little confidence in his play making ability. At this point, if he wasn't such a high selection in the draft and owed so much money, I have to wonder if he would even still be on this roster.

I would take Richardson over Jordan any day of the week.

We traded up and gave up a 2nd round pick for a guy who plays 20 plays a game. No **** the dolphins made a mistake. Dion Jordan is not good as well as the dolphins are morons and don't know how to properly use their players.

They've taken a big, steamy dump all over his season this year even after the suspension.

I think Derrick Shelby has done more edge rushing than Jordan this year.

How is this even a question at this point? A blind man could see that Jordan is a huge bust. We should have taken an offensive lineman.

Hard to argue that we should have taken an offensive lineman. Dion Jordan just makes zero sense, especially given how the staff has managed him. A stud offensive lineman would have been a huge addition to the team.

Did not like the move up or the pick. I would like to move him to OLB if they are forced to keep him.

He is not a down lineman in my view. The staff would prefer to put Jimmy Wilson on Gronk rather than adjust their sub packages to put Jordan on him on more plays. Jordan has his issues, but the staff is not helping him. A change of staff can save him

"maynard wrote:

He is not a down lineman in my view. The staff would prefer to put Jimmy Wilson on Gronk rather than adjust their sub packages to put Jordan on him on more plays. Jordan has his issues, but the staff is not helping him. A change of staff can save him

I agree with this. A talented inventive staff would see him used far more effectively. This bunch of wooly headed ninny muggins are wasting the pick.

Is a BJ better than a kick in the nuts?
Is pizza better than some rusty nails?
Is a Ferrari better than a Geo Metro?
Need I go on.................................

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Is a BJ better than a kick in the nuts?
Is pizza better than some rusty nails?
Is a Ferrari better than a Geo Metro?
Need I go on.................................

is a frogs ass water tight?

I just don't understand why we drafted Dion Jordan. I have no doubt that he was and still is a good prospect.

When you have Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon, why on Earth would you move up to draft a similar player?

When you are establishing a 4-3 scheme, why on Earth would you select a 3-4 OLB prospect?

Dion Jordan is not a bad player, but selecting him made no sense.

"jw3102 wrote:

It isn't even a debate at this point in their careers. Richardson is by far the better player and it appears Jordan is headed in the direction of being one of the biggest bust in Dolphin history.The fact Jordan only gets on the field for about a third of the Dolphins defensive Pl ays and you hardly ever see him make a play shows clearly that the coaching staff has very little confidence in his play making ability. At this point, if he wasn't such a high selection in the draft and owed so much money, I have to wonder if he would even still be on this roster. I would take Richardson over Jordan any day of the week.

I see your dion Jordan and raise you one Dallas thomas

we could fix that with drafting eddie goldman this year

"mroz wrote:

I see your dion Jordan and raise you one Dallas thomas

No doubt Thomas was another wasted draft pick, but at least we didn't have to give up our first round draft pick and a second round draft pick to move up to draft him.

What makes it even worse is that as bad as he has been at RT, Thomas has still been a more productive player for the Dolphins than Jordan has been this year. At least Thomas has been okay in the running game. I'm still waiting to see Jordan do anything productive on the defensive side of the ball this year.

Drafting him when the biggest need was offensive line help and the BPA in my opinion WAS an O lineman made no sense.
With that said, Dion Jordan has been completely misused by this coachong staff.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

I just don't understand why we drafted Dion Jordan. I have no doubt that he was and still is a good prospect.

When you have Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon, why on Earth would you move up to draft a similar player?

When you are establishing a 4-3 scheme, why on Earth would you select a 3-4 OLB prospect?

Dion Jordan is not a bad player, but selecting him made no sense.

They drafted Jordan before Vernon broke out, and they wanted a guy who could start opposite of Wake to play a specific set of techniques that Vernon doesn't do particularly well at.

They thought Jordan could gain weight and strength and be a Mario Williams/Julius Peppers/Carlos Dunlap type guy. Projecting a weight/technique shift among defensive linemen is something that is an inexact science but can pay off big.

At this point they're running their heads into a wall with it.

id like to see how jordan can develop under rex

It's too early to call him a bust. Definitely good reason to be concerned though. Ansah imo might have been the better, safer pick long term. Richardson would have been a huge reach after the trade up, which I still think was a good move.

And don't forget Jordan helps combat Cameron Wakes greatest foe. Father time.

IMO it's more of the coaching staff not using him the best way than it is him being a bust. Marino could have been labeled a bust if we just asked him to do nothing but hand it off and run with it.

Up to this juncture? Jordan is taking up another "potential" player spot. To be drafted that high, giving his timings, testings and interviews....i'm still waiting as we all are. He's a bust regarding where Miami picked him. Right now he's a 5th rounder and i'm being kind. He either needs a serious kick up the *** or a serious kick out of the door. Take your pick.

"Disgustipate wrote:

They drafted Jordan before Vernon broke out, and they wanted a guy who could start opposite of Wake to play a specific set of techniques that Vernon doesn't do particularly well at.

They thought Jordan could gain weight and strength and be a Mario Williams/Julius Peppers/Carlos Dunlap type guy. Projecting a weight/technique shift among defensive linemen is something that is an inexact science but can pay off big.

At this point they're running their heads into a wall with it.

You're correct in that Vernon "broke out" during the same year that Jordan was a rookie, however, the team must've massively under-appreciated what Vernon was developing into if they felt that trading up to draft someone #3 overall was a wise move.

On one hand, there's little doubt that the team over-estimated Jordan's impact. But if that were the case, wouldn't we have seen Jordan "forced" onto the field more often?

Coyle has spoken several times on the issue of Dion Jordan. His comments have indicated that there is not an ideal place to put him. So essentially, Dion Jordan was handed to Coyle who was subsequently put in the position of asking, "what am I supposed to do with this guy?"

Vernon and Wake have really never been challenged as the de facto starters, which leads me to believe that someone (probably Ireland) fell in love with an image of who they thought Jordan was.

There is little evidence that the coaches asked for Dion Jordan to be drafted. Neither Philbin nor Coyle seem overwhelmingly excited to have Jordan. The lack of playing time would also indicate that the coaches are happy to keep Jordan in a rotational role. To date, no one from the team (who has spoken to the media) has ever acted as though Dion Jordan is a high-priority.

As I have explained several times, I have no ill-will towards Dion Jordan in particular. He was a good prospect coming out of college and DE is one of the hardest positions to have to adapt to in the NFL. No rookie prospect comes out of college with even 50% of the pass rushing ability that the NFL mandates so there will always be a steep learning curve.

That all being said, I'm happy if the Dolphins chose to move forward with Dion Jordan. He absolutely is a high-value asset with Wake starting to decline. I think that from a business standpoint, Wake has a high-potential as trade bait. I think Wake is a 2nd rounder waiting to happen. Hickey so far is batting 1000 in the 2nd round.