Did your perception of Vontae Davis change after Hard Knocks?

A) You try being blind sided with a life changing development like that some time, see if your initial reaction looks entirely rational
2) Anyone stop to think that he might have actually just thought the conversation was done?

 

What would be interesting is to take a poll of Colts fans based on that show and ask them how they feel about the personality of their new cornerback.

If they could get the rose-colored glasses off, I suspect it wouldn't be good.

 

This is how I took it I was thinking of the movie money ball when they bring up trading a player you just straight up tell him hes traded and its over. No one wants to hear the rest of it there players they know its a business and the sugar coating is bs most the time anyways.

 

Exactly. I'm sorry but you finish your business and conversation at hand FIRST then take care of whatever personal matters you may have with the issue. It has nothing to do with who you work for at the moment, it has to do with basic etiquette and mature behavior.

 

When Joe Philbin was set to fire Chad Johnson he was so awkward he's tapping the chair and fidgeting around like he was waiting his turn for a lollypop at the doctor's office. And he knew that conversation was coming. So did Chad, for that matter. Vontae just got fired and insulted and he didn't see it coming. I think a little latitude is called for.

 

What evidence do you have he didn't see it coming?

 

Attributions of his behavior to his personality are going to be far more accurate in this situation than attributions of his behavior to the situation he was in.

Almost no one would react the way he did in that situation IMO.

 

I wouldn't pull out my phone to make the call while I was even in the same room as my former boss. If he thought the conversation was over, leave and make the call. If he didn't then stay and finish it.

 

My impression was this kid sincerely has no idea what to do. He's 24 immature, but not hopelessly lost and would have room to grow. He obviously needs a mentor. Im sorry the Dolphins felt it fit to cut him loose after 3 seasons even though he was their best player in the secondary. I truly saw a kid who didn't know how to react and was looking for guidance.

Insert tough guys remarks down below......

 

This is exactly how I feel about it, you guys really expected Davis to KNOW how to handle himself in this setting?

 

No tough guy remarks, but I think you have to question the part I bolded. I think you have to consider that his maturity problems made him less than the best player in the secondary, and even less than the players who were starting.

We all wanted a great player when we drafted this guy in the first round, but IMO it's time to realize he's just not that player.

 

I loved Vontae as a Dolphin. He was our best player in the secondary IMO and I think he will turn out to be a very, very good CB in this league. I hope he tears it up in Indy and proves us wrong for letting him go. Hopefully we can do something worthwhile with these draft picks.

 

Touche'.

 

I don't think anyone handled it poorly. Its a tough and awkward situation.

I think if Vontae had done a couple of things differently in TC he'd still be here. I think the fact Indy instigated the trade makes most of the conversations on this site earlier today moot. I think Philbin showed he is neither a goody goody nor meek. I think Ireland showed he's not a reptilian hell beast bent on the Dolphins' destruction, but he does come across as fake on camera. I don't think he should deal with players face to face, but I also don't think I want a sweet and pleasant GM.

 

Ill stand by what I said. Ill take Vontae WITH his problems over a fu*king 2nd round pick in the hands of Ireland.

I wont question myself when I said he was our best player in the secondary and had infinite room to grow. Obviously our GM gave up on him and our coach was on board it. That to me is bullsh*t.

 

There's a wide range of ways he could've reacted in that setting, many of which would fall into the category of "reacting appropriately."

The way he did react represents an extreme of those possible ways, easily falls into the category of "inappropriate," and IMO signifies what kind of person we're dealing with here -- a highly unusual one.

Now that's not to say he's a bad guy or doesn't deserve compassion. But this fits with his problems on the field IMO.

 

How is he suppose to handle himself. I did not see the episode but pulling out your phone really who cares. Of course most of these NFL players are a bit immature they have had life almost handed to the, because they are talented to another level. I cannot understand trading your best DB and just giving up on him. He is young guys.

 

Then I think you're an advocate of a level of allegiance to players that isn't realistic or appropriate.

 

He is also in his 4th year. 4th year. And he is doing nothing different. Still showing up out of shape, still not being focused on the field.

How long must the team continue with him before its ok to stop? I've asked this question a few times today, still no answer.

Again, we had no intention of getting rid of him until someone called us and made a great offer.

 

Im an advocate of further developing a 1st round player who is already the best player in your secondary.

Obviously it isn't realistic with this staff (he's now a Colt), but we differ on opinion of whether its appropriate.

Edit:Typos!

 

IMO the trade was in our best interest, but I will say this---- we would be a better team if everyone had that charismatic, energetic aspect of Vontae's personality (that's how I perceive him at least).

 

There's been no development, so I'm not sure what you'd be doing "further."

This guy is what he is. We don't have as much power to mold people as you suggest.

 

Insulted?

 

I would agree completely with you if this were year 2 or 3 or if he had shown recent strides in development like Sean Smith..... but in my humble opinion he hadn't developed enough to warrant more time allowed to develop with such an enticing trade offer on the table.

 

Exactly. If the trajectory was even slightly on the incline, I'd be all for keeping him, even with the offer of a 2nd-round pick. But the trajectory was actually on the decline.

 

Oh i'm sorry its so taxing for you (as a television viewer) to deal with him showing up out of shape.

And please, Phinsational chime in somewhere with "he didnt buy in".

 

He is/was better than Sean Smith. Thats all that should matter to you.

 

If you had asked me the first 3 years and straight up to this training camp, I would've agreed with you....... but at the moment, IMO, Smith is doing all the things in practice and preparation that I wished Vontae would've done, and IMHO we retained the better corner moving forward b/c Smith seems to be flashing glimpses of becoming a real man out there, and a man among boys in practice at times. IMO Sean's arrow is now pointing upward much stronger than Vontae's is.

 

If I were a Colts fan, I'd be more interested in whether or not he can cover WRs sufficiently, not whether or not he wanted to call his grandma upon getting news of being traded.

 

He didn't buy in.

 

Probably not, but it still does not make him a bad person. That he asked to call grandma is irrelevant on whether he can play cornerback well at the NFL level.

 

And like we see here, there's probably wide variation in how much their fans believe those two things are related.

I suspect the Colts fans who believe they're related might be a little concerned.

 

yeah. I liked that too. I like Marshall in that regard. We need a vet corner who knows what he's doing among the young secondary.

When people talked about Sean getting bigger this offseason, I wasn't expecting him to actually be that friggin ominous. Dude's turning into a defensive version of Brandon Marshall, just hopefully w/o the baggage. The way he's smacking receivers around in practice almost seems like how a lion would toy with a gazelle.

 

Bah. I saw every game Davis played for the Dolphins, and all I know is during his time here, he was the best DB the team had in pass coverage, and the best corner in run support. There was nothing about his personality as far as I am concerned that was severe enough to outweigh that.