Deshaun Watson

While I'd love to see Deshaun Watson in a Dolphins uniform I don't see it happening. If you're Houston you just can't trade a guy like him. Actually let me rephrase that, you can't trade a QB like him. You shouldn't under any circumstance as he's far too good at the most important position on the field to just trade him. That being said they're in a tough spot since he apparently wants out. If Houston was smart they'd be doing whatever they can to appease him right now and make this right rather than trying to trade him. As much as it would hurt to move him if you're Houston if they feel they have no choice then they can get a kings ransom for him thats for sure. I just dont see it happening, not for Watson being traded here, or anywhere for that matter. You can't let a QB that young and that talented be traded. Make him happy, restore the relationship and move on.

If I'm Grier though and I don't have the faith Tua will become a player of Watson's caliber you're damn right I'm calling about a trade to at least see what the price is. I know we have alot of picks and I know Watson is good, and I know we have alot of holes to fill on offense but I'd still make the call to ask the price. Just can't give away everything as Watson won't be worth the price we have to pay when we still have no WR's or RB's that can change a game with him.

All I ask is that if he does get traded, please don't let it be to New England.

NO NO NO do not want him. Not that hes a bad player but we already have a good idea of his ceiling. He was on better teams than Miami has talent wise and they still were mediocre. Ill ride another 2 years with TUA unless he comes dirt cheap and agrees to compete for the position.

Deshaun is a good QB but the price is too rich for my blood. Keep on building a great team and whether it’s Tua or the next guy, they’ll have the cast around them to become a contender.

I'd make a call. Worst thing that could happen is they say they are not interested or their demands are excessive. If that is the case, oh well.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/10/report-deshaun-watson-would-consider-trade-to-dolphins/

Well Deshaun would seem to welcome the idea of coming here

I'd rather not be in cap hell.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

I'd rather not be in cap hell.

So you'd rather stay in mediocrity hell? If we had Watson this year, we are in the playoffs.

"canesz06 wrote:

So you'd rather stay in mediocrity hell? If we had Watson this year, we are in the playoffs.

Goal is to win the SB not just make the playoffs.

I would welcome Watson but not if they get fleeced. Still have needs to be filled if they are going to compete for a title.

Major media outlets have been talking about a Dolphins link to Watson for a few days now, mainly because Grier/Flores and how they treat their players. This could actually build a little traction through the offseason.

"Fireland wrote:

Goal is to win the SB not just make the playoffs.

I would welcome Watson but not if they get fleeced. Still have needs to be filled if they are going to compete for a title.

Yes, but I think people forget that Watson has all the leverage. Houston can trade him and get some compensation, or he could potentially sit out and Houston is mega-screwed. Miami will lowball any offers because we don't need Watson....yet Houston desperately needs their #3 pick back.

I think Houston's 1st and 2nd gets us Watson....or our 1st and Tua.

"KeyFin wrote:

Yes, but I think people forget that Watson has all the leverage. Houston can trade him and get some compensation, or he could potentially sit out and Houston is mega-screwed. Miami will lowball any offers because we don't need Watson....yet Houston desperately needs their #3 pick back.

I think Houston's 1st and 2nd gets us Watson....or our 1st and Tua.

For a first and Tua you have to think about it, if you’re the Dolphins. Depends on high they are on Tua compared to the contract of Watson. I think I would do it if I was Grier, tough call though.

If Watson comes here, with this defense, we are immediately a perennial playoff team and just a few pieces on offense away from being a SB contender. As long as we don't give up key pieces on defense and only a few draft picks (+Tua) you absolutely make that trade. I'm skeptical any such trade will occur, but it would be redemption for not getting Brees long ago.

I hope you guys realize how unbelievable it is that Watson ended up #2 in passer rating this year on a 4-12 team. Adjusted to 2020 ratings the expected (team) passer rating for a 4-12 team is just about 70. Watson ended with 112.4!!

"KeyFin wrote:

Major media outlets have been talking about a Dolphins link to Watson for a few days now, mainly because Grier/Flores and how they treat their players. This could actually build a little traction through the offseason.

Treat them good right?

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

I'd rather not be in cap hell.

If you're going to be in cap hell I'd rather it be with a stud QB than anything else.

"Fireland wrote:

Goal is to win the SB not just make the playoffs.

I would welcome Watson but not if they get fleeced. Still have needs to be filled if they are going to compete for a title.

With Watson and a top notch receiver and a decent running back, this team could make a run at the super bowl. The defense is good enough.

I can't wait for the offers on this forum.

"Tua sucks but we can probably trade him for Watson and our 18th pick and keep the #3 pick."

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

I can't wait for the offers on this forum.

"Tua sucks but we can probably trade him for Watson and our 18th pick and keep the #3 pick."

That would be delusional... But hey it’s Houston... :)

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

I can't wait for the offers on this forum.

"Tua sucks but we can probably trade him for Watson and our 18th pick and keep the #3 pick."

He does suck but maybe Houston is stupid enough to go for it. God knows how many times the dolphins made stupid trades

"cbrad wrote:

If Watson comes here, with this defense, we are immediately a perennial playoff team and just a few pieces on offense away from being a SB contender. As long as we don't give up key pieces on defense and only a few draft picks (+Tua) you absolutely make that trade. I'm skeptical any such trade will occur, but it would be redemption for not getting Brees long ago.

I hope you guys realize how unbelievable it is that Watson ended up #2 in passer rating this year on a 4-12 team. Adjusted to 2020 ratings the expected (team) passer rating for a 4-12 team is just about 70. Watson ended with 112.4!!

I don't believe Tua is a lost cause/bust/crap QB, whatever you want to call it. I believe we'll see a much improved player in 2021, you can't count this kid out until he has removed all doubt, IMO, and he hasn't done that yet from what I've seen.

HOWEVER...

Would love to see a trade for Watson, as long as it isn't giving up too much. He only has one issue I can see...takes too many sacks. Even then, he's a baller.

I believe we'd be fine with either, but in better shape earlier with Watson.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't believe Tua is a lost cause/bust/crap QB, whatever you want to call it. I believe we'll see a much improved player in 2021, you can't count this kid out until he has removed all doubt, IMO, and he hasn't done that yet from what I've seen.

HOWEVER...

Would love to see a trade for Watson, as long as it isn't giving up too much. He only has one issue I can see...takes too many sacks. Even then, he's a baller.

I believe we'd be fine with either, but in better shape earlier with Watson.

QB's that run around a lot trying to make things happen tend to have high sack percentages. It tends to come with the territory. QB's with the lowest sack percentages are pocket QB's with fast release times: Manning, Marino, Brees, Brady, etc.

But guys like Wilson, Young, Rodgers, Watson all have much higher sack percentages. The one major exception to this is Mahomes who somehow has a really low sack percentage but is good at extending plays. Also worth pointing out Watson has a really bad OL in addition to the nature of his play.

Anyway, otherwise I agree with your post. I like Tua and see no reason to move on from him UNLESS precisely the situation we're discussing comes up: trading for a proven elite QB in his prime. Like how often does that happen??

"cbrad wrote:

If Watson comes here, with this defense, we are immediately a perennial playoff team and just a few pieces on offense away from being a SB contender. As long as we don't give up key pieces on defense and only a few draft picks (+Tua) you absolutely make that trade. I'm skeptical any such trade will occur, but it would be redemption for not getting Brees long ago.

I hope you guys realize how unbelievable it is that Watson ended up #2 in passer rating this year on a 4-12 team. Adjusted to 2020 ratings the expected (team) passer rating for a 4-12 team is just about 70. Watson ended with 112.4!!

I agree, we would only be a few pieces away and honestly, they're not huge pieces anymore when you have a QB of that caliber. I'm certainly not counting on it but for January, it is fun to dream! We'd have our quarterback for the next decade.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't believe Tua is a lost cause/bust/crap QB, whatever you want to call it. I believe we'll see a much improved player in 2021, you can't count this kid out until he has removed all doubt, IMO, and he hasn't done that yet from what I've seen.

HOWEVER...

Would love to see a trade for Watson, as long as it isn't giving up too much. He only has one issue I can see...takes too many sacks. Even then, he's a baller.

I believe we'd be fine with either, but in better shape earlier with Watson.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is implying that Tua can't/won't get there, but the odds of him being better overall than Watson are pretty darn slim. Heck, the odds of anyone being better than Watson are super-slim. I am content with Tua but if we can make this move somehow, it would make complete sense.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make it happen.

"cbrad wrote:

Like how often does that happen??

That's the thing- it NEVER happens! Which is why everyone's thinking on our starting 2021 QB has done a complete 180. I suddenly find myself completely buying into the "perennial playoff contender" hype.