Demariyus vs. Dez

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

What makes you say Thomas is more physically gifted?

1 and 1/4 inches?

that's what she said...

"Slowmotion wrote:

He's insanely strong, has great jumping ability, and great field speed. He may not be a burner as such but neither is Dez. He sort of reminds me of Terrell Davis and Marshall Faulk who were faster on the field than just running. Great Balance, Soft hands (that drop against Georgia was mental thinking about the run after), can take hits. Oh yeah thanks Jim, he's tall as well.

I like both receivers, but Dez plays stronger and faster IMO. Dez also has better hands.

The most overlooked part of Thomas' game is his ability and willingness to block for the running game which is a rare thing with the WR egos in the league today. Working at Tech I've had the opportunity to watch him here and he is a very selfless WR that should continue to develop into a Top Tier WR in the league. JMO.

Thomas HAS to block by the very nature of that offense. But he's not as physically gifted as Bryant and whilst he has upside, he's not close to being the player Bryant is. I like Thomas a lot, but Bryant has special ability.

I completely agree ^ I also am more worried about stopping the passing attack than making ours more potent. That's why we'll spend our first rounder on a Defensive player rather than Dez and picking up Thomas in the 2nd.

"Boomer wrote:

Thomas HAS to block by the very nature of that offense. But he's not as physically gifted as Bryant and whilst he has upside, he's not close to being the player Bryant is. I like Thomas a lot, but Bryant has special ability.

Yes he does have to block but he puts himself out there when he does, not the half assed attempts we have become accustomed to seeing. As long as we end up with a complete reciever, i don't care who he is.

Thomas is indeed an excellent blocking WR and a few other things I love about him is his ability to go up after the football, bring it down, break tackles and run after the catch. His QB in college had horrible accuracy yet DT puts up those type of ypc numbers. That is a WR that is getting after the ball. The guy is a beast.

"Killerphins wrote:

Thomas is indeed an excellent blocking WR and a few other things I love about him is his ability to go up after the football, bring it down, break tackles and run after the catch. His QB in college had horrible accuracy yet DT puts up those type of ypc numbers. That is a WR that is getting after the ball. The guy is a beast.

Nesbitt is bad, but I can only imagine what Calvin Johnson could have done here without Reggie"I Can't Throw A" Ball.:tantrum:

Dez is by far the best WR in this years draft IMO

"Killerphins wrote:

Thomas is indeed an excellent blocking WR and a few other things I love about him is his ability to go up after the football, bring it down, break tackles and run after the catch. His QB in college had horrible accuracy yet DT puts up those type of ypc numbers. That is a WR that is getting after the ball. The guy is a beast.

Consider this....okay you either do Dez in the first (which I dont want) or Thomas in the second (which I dont want).....if that is the case....WHY WOULDNT YOU FOLK OVER YOUR 2ND ROUNDER FOR "THE BEAST"......why why why??

After speaking with coach Pete Carroll, NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt "got a sense" that the Seahawks will not give up a first-round pick for Brandon Marshall.

This is hardly a surprise. If Seattle was willing to give up even the second of their two first-round picks, the Broncos would have jumped on it already. The Seahawks realize they're bidding against themselves, so there is no reason to overpay. For what it's worth, SI.com's Peter King tweeted that he believes the Broncos will "absolutely" cave and move Marshall for a second-rounder by draft time.

"Slowmotion wrote:

For the San Diego Chargers or Indianapolis Colts who don't run the ball.

Most the WR that are superstars in the NFL cant block im not talking about how good he is at blocking i am talking about how he is at WR you know like Running routes and catching the balls if i wanted him to be a great blocker i would would just draft oline and put him out there to block the DB and if he sucks at blocking run the other way i know that may sound crazy not to run to the side of Dez Bryant if he isnt a great blocker. for example on the Blocking Randy Moss he isnt the best blocking WR in the NFL and he is probably the second best WR in nfl history

"finyank13 wrote:

Consider this....okay you either do Dez in the first (which I dont want) or Thomas in the second (which I dont want).....if that is the case....WHY WOULDNT YOU FOLK OVER YOUR 2ND ROUNDER FOR "THE BEAST"......why why why??

After speaking with coach Pete Carroll, NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt "got a sense" that the Seahawks will not give up a first-round pick for Brandon Marshall.

This is hardly a surprise. If Seattle was willing to give up even the second of their two first-round picks, the Broncos would have jumped on it already. The Seahawks realize they're bidding against themselves, so there is no reason to overpay. For what it's worth, SI.com's Peter King tweeted that he believes the Broncos will "absolutely" cave and move Marshall for a second-rounder by draft time.

I would give the broncos our second round for Marshall lets say we dont do it in the first round and when it comes are pick we draft Dez Bryant and then maybe they would be willing to take next years 2nd round pick our WR core would be sick if we had Bryant and Marshall on the outsides

"Slowmotion wrote:

Wrong thread. I think you're looking for GISH's "Gun to your head". This is assuming we don't go for Marshall. I personally like Marshall but that's not what this thread is about.

It is debating receivers....I threw a spin on it....just passing along info...

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

I would give the broncos our second round for Marshall lets say we dont do it in the first round and when it comes are pick we draft Dez Bryant and then maybe they would be willing to take next years 2nd round pick our WR core would be sick if we had Bryant and Marshall on the outsides

if we take Dez at 12, and somebody gets Marshall for a second rounder, I will shoot myself in the leg alla Plax....

"finyank13 wrote:

if we take Dez at 12, and somebody gets Marshall for a second rounder, I will shoot myself in the leg alla Plax....

...and if you shoot yourself in the leg alla Plax, then I'll make the game-winning catch in the Superbowl against the Patriots with 11 seconds to go alla Plax...

"lmeister3 wrote:

...and if you shoot yourself in the leg alla Plax, then I'll make the game-winning catch in the Superbowl against the Patriots with 11 seconds to go alla Plax...

And if you make the game winning catch in the SB, I'll serve 2 years in prison for a weapons charge alla Plax................wait, what?

With all due respect, are you saying that Bryant is less talented than Thomas not based on facts you researched or observed but on what you felt? You feel that Thomas will be better because he blocked for running backs in the ACC? That he's more physically gifted because he was asked to block for Johnathan Dwyer? That the Dolphins should not take the guy who became the focus of his entire offense but instead take the guy who was an after thought because the afterthought will fit in with what the Dolphins already do really well, not improve what they do inefficiently?

No thanks. If they're going to draft anyone @ #12, he should improve an area of the team that needs improving. With all due respect, I think you're projecting onto Dez Bryant a bunch of negative stuff because you don't like him as a player and you're projecting onto Thomas positive attributes because he's "physical, plays football the right way" and all that nonsense. For the same reason I wouldn't draft a FB this year, I wouldn't want Thomas. The Dolphins already run the ball really well, they need someone who can play downfield and who can develop with Chad Henne an efficient passing game. I'm not suggesting we need to be the Saints, but we need more efficiency from our passing game to progress forward toward a championship. The Jets were only able to move forward in the playoffs when Mark Sanchez played more efficiently, not because of their D. The Giants won their most recent Super Bowl when Eli Manning played more efficiently. Dez Bryant will improve the efficiency of the passing offense moreso than Thomas. Zac Robinson turned to crap when Bryant wasn't on the team. I think the opposite would happen with Dez Bryant on the squad; he'll make Henne a much more potent and efficient QB.

I can get behind drafting Golden Tate later in the draft if Miami goes OLB with the #12. But I personally don't want Thomas.

"finyank13 wrote:

if we take Dez at 12, and somebody gets Marshall for a second rounder, I will shoot myself in the leg alla Plax....

i was saying we should get him in the second and Dez in the first that way our WR would be almost impossible to cover

"Boomer wrote:

Thomas HAS to block by the very nature of that offense. But he's not as physically gifted as Bryant and whilst he has upside, he's not close to being the player Bryant is. I like Thomas a lot, but Bryant has special ability.

Ok here we go...I will be Mr. Contrarian a bit now......and this is all IMHO...you watch way more than I do....BUT....you are right Thomas has to block...but their AA is close enough and I think Thomas is going to be a "break out Player"...GT throws about as often as I win the lottery....now please do not take this as I think Bryant sucks (I don't)...but some things bug me about Bryant....he inverts his hands at times letting the ball get on him instead of "snatching it"....he ALWAYS...ALWAYS crosssteps into his cuts....Thomas despite not being "polished" has some Hartline in him..he will cut on his open hip often creating that 1-2 step game speed.....Bryant powers thru some man coverages and at times get rerouted....Thomas gets rerouted into his routes......there was no route tree at GT so he knows how to find holes based on field knowledge where Bryant got much more opening by design and picks.......Thomas tracks the ball much better vertically than Bryant.....I get it and understand you disagree and I not going KB on you...Bryant is a good player and has great AA...but IMHO they are much closer than some think.

I REALLY think that he is not the player Bryant is because of opportunity, design, and Zac Robinson versus Nes-miss.

Well, the way I see it, if we don't draft Bryant in the first, then Thomas makes for a pretty decent consolation prize in the second (assuming he's even still on the board). Having said that, I have to admit I am warming to the idea of making some kind of a deal with Denver for Marshall. BUT...not for a first. It would have to be some kind of second this year plus a third next year kind of a thing IMO. Or, some combination of players and picks. But, we're gonna need as many picks as possible this year.

JMHO...

Thomas is one of the more overrated players in the draft this year, Dez is not. Thomas avg. 25 yards a catch because GT only took a couple of shots down the field each game, he was the best option. If he were in a passing attack and had to get open, without the threat of a great running game he becomes an avg. receiver even in college. Dez took over games even then the other team knew they were trying to get the ball to him, you think Thomas was ever double covered..

I personally would take any of these receivers. They both look good in a Dolphins uniform.

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

i was saying we should get him in the second and Dez in the first that way our WR would be almost impossible to cover

Can you imagine!!! hahaha then get your boy Williams....dude all world offense!!! The defense would be putrid...