Defensive Line Off Season Got Much More Clearer After Today

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Unfortunately, I don't think that stops anyone. It's a shame. What you should be able to do is activate an ignore function that prevents the other person from seeing your posts, like blocking someone on Twitter.
     
  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I disagree there. I would not call Clemons / Incognito decisions that we must make. I think both of them are easily replaceable. Pouncey is not a free agent for 2014.

    Actually I agree here. But that doesn't mean Soliai shouldn't be resigned. He does what he does better than most players in the NFL. I think he's someone you have to keep.

    Canter... he's an agent. He's not one of the big name ones but there are no rules for him ultimately.


    All this talk here... I think majority opinion is that we must sign one. With some saying we must sign both. Not very many people saying we can get by with signing neither. What does that say about Jared Odrick? Has he lived up to his first round draft status? Is he another Merling/Langford? A one term contract for us and then he's gone? It's his third year here. Is he being misused at all? There are flashes certainly. I wish he was more dominant though on a consistent basis. I don't like him at end, but he certainly plays the run better than Vernon.

    Is it time to be even more multiple up front. There are glimpses of us using an odd man front. Imagine Wake/Starks/Soliai/Odrick/Jordan...
     
  3. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    certainly within your rights.. makes our job easier. :yes:
     
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  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    or just ignore them, mentally, if the board functionality isn't sufficient.
     
  5. Fin D

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    If you bring substance you'll receive it in kind.

    Problem is, you have a habit of making things up as facts and then overreacting based on those made up facts. Most of your posts belong in the rants forum because of that.

    But fine, ignore me, its probably better for the board.
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    Which I already do, consistently. But I would like to see the board add that functionality.
     
  7. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I believe certain improvements are being discussed in another forum (which I haven't read yet, not ignoring it though :shifty: )
     
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  8. Bpk

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    Especially since DT/NT types rarely play great as rookies.

    It took Soliai three or four years to develop.
     
  9. Bpk

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    With how hard it has been to find a decent RG I just can't agree as all that a good LG will be 'easily replaceable'.
     
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  10. ckparrothead

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    Yeah I worry about that as well. Those leverage-based guys can take a little bit to develop.
     
  11. Disgustipate

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    It'll be grossly inefficient in terms of cost and cap ramifications. Don't re-sign your own guy if it doesn't make sense for you to do it. Paul Soliai is in the top 10 of highest cap hits for DTs this year, and I believe he was there last year as well. His camp regarded that as taking a hometown discount, and are unlikely to continue to do so. Soliai ain't a top 10 DT, and he'd be on the outskirts asking for a top 10 1-technique or run defender too.

    If you invest significant resources you can get a dominant player. You can go in a different direction and style of defense that might suit your overall style better. There are a lot of justifications.
     
  12. Disgustipate

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    I think it's very much different depending on the style and play type. A 0-technique, 2-gap guy has a huge learning curve.

    We don't have that position in our defense, and I think the position in this defense is very much something a quality rookie can play well.
     
  13. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    :up:
     
  14. VanDolPhan

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    Didn't say what the decision should be...just that the FO has to make one ;p Also, lets not forget that until this year Miami went a DECADE without starting the same pair of safeties. We can trot out a line of FS's as long as our bum QB's lists ;p

    3/5th's of the OL are FA's. Incognito at roughly the same contract he's already at might be the best option. I also know that Pouncey is not a FA, but I am guessing that Ireland will see him as a young core member of his drafts and sign him a year early ala Jones if the 2 parties can agree. Re-sign Soliai/Grimes.

    Leaves DT depth/Starting FS and a RT for the early rounds of the draft.
     
  15. jw3102

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    Funny how so many people are jumping on the Soliai bandwagon now. I can remember there were many fans on here over the last year that wanted the Dolphins to trade Soliai for a draft pick.

    Hopefully now that they have seen how inept the middle of the defense is without Soliai, these fans as well as the front office of the Dolphins, will realize how important he is to the defensive unit. He will not be easily replaced if the Dolphins don't resign him. As far as Starks is concerned, I think his play has suffered because of his salary dispute with the Dolphins and he just doesn't seem to be playing with the intensity he did in recent years.

    I still think Starks could be a valuable player for the Dolphins over the next few years at the right price. Yet, if it comes down to just being able to sign one or the other. I'll take signing Soliai over Starks in a New York minute. Soliai is a MUST signing for the Dolphins if they expect to remain a quality defense over the next several years.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    He's so important that they won the game, while holding the Falcons below their averages?

    The reality is that there are far greater issues that warrant investment than a two-down 1-technique. Certainly you can bring Soliai back at the right price, but if he wants top-10 money, no thanks. Let teams average 4.5 YPC, and invest the money elsewhere.
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    Though you have to set the participation bar pretty low in order for him to qualify because he only had 41 pass rush snaps, Pro Football Focus has Dion Jordan as the 5th-most efficient pass rusher among all 4-3 defensive ends in the NFL.

    The measure is their Pass Rush Productivity stat, which is a weighted function that sums sacks, hits and hurries and divides by total pass rush reps.

    If you set the qualification at the "25% Participation" level, Jordan is #2 in the NFL.

    Cameron Wake is #5 out of 51 on the same basis.

    Derrick Shelby is #18 out of 51 on that basis.

    Olivier Vernon is #35 out of 51 on that basis.
     
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  18. Paul 13

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    hindsight... "easily" should have been left out :wink2:
     
  19. Paul 13

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    Surprised Vernon is that high.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    Hah. Well if you limit it down to the full time defensive ends (50% participation), Vernon is like #23 out of 34.
     

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