DB rankings: Jets #1 - via Yahoo sports

Yeah, Revis is the flavor of the offseason and the sports writers can't help but slobe the nobe all offseason, until someone else emerges next year.

Personally I would take Champ over Darelle and Nnamdi

Revis is the real deal. Sorry. Cromartie is a punk. Their safeties are nothing special.

As our young corners Davis and Smith mature, then Clemons matures, we should move up in this ranking a long way I hope after next season. Otherwise hard to argue much with someone's opinion, they have their right to it.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Revis is the real deal. Sorry. Cromartie is a punk. Their safeties are nothing special.

Antonio Cromartie vs. Ronnie Brown.... Not worried about Cromartie.

Shaking my head at Atari Bigby with the Packers. We had first shot with him and let him go. Does anyone on here remember why we let him go?

I doubt Cromartie is going to be happy that Marshall is still in his division.

A friendly reminder: Jason Cole was the other half of Highfivegate.

Even setting that aside, I'm not a big fan of his positional ranking articles. His criteria is entirely subjective. Now, that's his right: he can rate anyone any way he chooses. But that doesn't mean we automatically have to give his rankings some weight.

His DL note was downright awful.

His LB note was much better, until he decided that "good" was too boring and so he literally edited it after the fact to include Manish Mehta's bogus report that Channing Crowder might miss the season.

As for the DB notes, saying that Cromartie could be the next Deion Sanders is kind of ridiculous. Not even mentioning Brodney Pool is sloppy. Ranking Miami #19 overall and then saying that they have arguably the best nickel package of corners in the league, is also kind of ridiculous. If the Dolphins have the best nickel package of corners in the league and they have Yeremiah Bell coming off a Pro Bowl appearance then I don't care if Cameron Worrell is your free safety, you probably have a good secondary. Well, ok as long as Cameron Worrell isn't there. Still.

Also of course there's Jason Cole's token blatant inaccurary/misrepresentation, saying that Culver "won" the job by default. He hasn't won anything. He wasn't the starter last year and he hasn't won it yet this year, in fact Chris Clemons took all the snaps during mini camp.

You know what kills me about stuff like this is you get the feeling these guys don't even do any research before they write these articles. At least, not research that goes beyond looking at an NFL.com roster, and then looking a very broad team statistics page.

The very concept of actually watching tape of the players involved or doing a bunch of digging with NFL personnel execs in order to get quotes and their feelings on the players, in order to come out with a piece like this...is just ridiculous to them. Work? **** that. I'll just write some BS.

And if you ever write to Cole or someone like him and openly ask why he doesn't bother to take to the film in order to do his rankings, he'll probably reply that he's not a scout and doesn't pretend to be a scout. Which of course begs the question, then why should I even bother reading player rankings from a guy that knows so little about the players that he doesn't even bother to try to learn more because he'd rather not pretend that he's informed enough to create an accurate ranking. Except, here's my rankings.

"ckparrothead wrote:

You know what kills me about stuff like this is you get the feeling these guys don't even do any research before they write these articles. At least, not research that goes beyond looking at an NFL.com roster, and then looking a very broad team statistics page.

The very concept of actually watching tape of the players involved or doing a bunch of digging with NFL personnel execs in order to get quotes and their feelings on the players, in order to come out with a piece like this...is just ridiculous to them. Work? **** that. I'll just write some BS.

And if you ever write to Cole or someone like him and openly ask why he doesn't bother to take to the film in order to do his rankings, he'll probably reply that he's not a scout and doesn't pretend to be a scout. Which of course begs the question, then why should I even bother reading player rankings from a guy that knows so little about the players that he doesn't even bother to try to learn more because he'd rather not pretend that he's informed enough to create an accurate ranking. Except, here's my rankings.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Is there a way to thank posts more than once? This deserves it.

"ckparrothead wrote:

You know what kills me about stuff like this is you get the feeling these guys don't even do any research before they write these articles. At least, not research that goes beyond looking at an NFL.com roster, and then looking a very broad team statistics page.

The very concept of actually watching tape of the players involved or doing a bunch of digging with NFL personnel execs in order to get quotes and their feelings on the players, in order to come out with a piece like this...is just ridiculous to them. Work? **** that. I'll just write some BS.

And if you ever write to Cole or someone like him and openly ask why he doesn't bother to take to the film in order to do his rankings, he'll probably reply that he's not a scout and doesn't pretend to be a scout. Which of course begs the question, then why should I even bother reading player rankings from a guy that knows so little about the players that he doesn't even bother to try to learn more because he'd rather not pretend that he's informed enough to create an accurate ranking. Except, here's my rankings.

Bruh, you're turning into our version of Jim Rome. Pretty soon we're gonna start a thread called CK is Burning (no pun)

Going into the season they are right, but let's wait till mid way and see were we are at.

"cobrajet wrote:

(There are also other position ratings available in this link)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-dbrankings071810

Any thoughts guys?

Enjoy,
-Cobrajet

I took the liberty of posting the rest of our team ratings from the same link in my initial post. Unfortunately I found most of them to be disappointing, especially LB, and DL.

Read on. . . .

Offensive Rankings

OL: Ranked 5. Miami Dolphins: This is the best run-blocking unit in the league, hands down, showing the emphasis head coach (and former offensive line coach) Tony Sparano puts on line play. This group is the embodiment of what Bill Parcells loves in a line: a bunch of big, intimidating maulers. Some people might question having so many big guys in a place where the weather takes its toll, but the Dolphins are making it work, starting with the outstanding play of left tackle Jake Long. The interior line is still problematic, but if Jake Grove(notes) can stay healthy, that should solidify the center spot. If Richie Incognito(notes) can keep his head straight, this unit could take a step forward.

QB: Ranked 22. Miami Dolphins: The Dolphins start a run of six teams with relatively young (if not rookie) quarterbacks who have a significant chance to improve. Chad Henne(notes) personifies the group with his strength and accuracy. No question, Henne can throw it. He just could use a bit more control on some of those rifle shots.

RB: Ranked 14. Miami Dolphins: If Ronnie Brown(notes) was healthy and/or Ricky Williams(notes) was younger, you might rank this duo higher, certainly higher than the Saints and the Bears. But Brown is trying to come back from a difficult foot injury (he had a significant knee injury earlier in his career) and Williams turned 33 earlier this month. That said, Brown is going into the final year of his contract, so he could be motivated, and Williams has been amazing in his ability to play like a guy who is still in his mid-20s.

WR: Ranked 19. Miami Dolphins: The Dolphins finally landed a No. 1 receiver in Brandon Marshall(notes) after years of not having one. The question is whether Marshall will be enough.

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Defensive Rankings

DL: Ranked 26. Miami Dolphins: It’s three years into the Bill Parcells Project and the best the Dolphins have to show along the defensive line is Randy Starks (notes), Phillip Merling(notes), rookie Jared Odrick(notes) and reserve Kendall Langford(notes). There’s not one serious or potential playmaker in the bunch. Thus, even by 3-4 standards, this is the ultimate collection of plugger types.

LB: Ranked 16. Miami: Hmmm, the Dolphins felt so great about their linebackers last year that they let go of Jason Taylor and Joey Porter(notes) … their two most accomplished pass rushers in the 3-4 scheme. OK, that’s questionable. Of course, Miami fans are excited about the arrival of Karlos Dansby(notes), the highest paid inside linebacker in the history of the game. That’s what free agency in a shallow market will do for you. If fans are expecting the second coming of Zach Thomas(notes), they are going to be sorely disappointed. Dansby is good and has pretty good pass-rush skills for an inside guy, but he’s not a great player. Fellow inside linebacker Channing Crowder(notes) is a lot smarter than people know, but there are reports that he will miss the season with a foot injury. The real key for this group is whether Cameron Wake(notes) or Koa Misi(notes) can be serious pass rushers. They better be.

DB Ranking 19. Miami Dolphins: The top three cornerback combos in the NFL reside in Cincinnati, Green Bay and with the Jets. However, if you’re looking for a pair who have the talent to break into that realm, second-year CBs Vontae Davis(notes) and Sean Smith(notes) have all the talent. If you throw in veteran Will Allen, the Dolphins have arguably the best nickel group of CBs in the league. The safety situation isn’t quite as good, which is why the Dolphins allowed an obscene 8.2 yards per pass attempt last season. SS Yeremiah Bell(notes) is solid, if he can stay healthy, and FS Tyrone Culver(notes) won the job by default. Not great, but you’d rather be good at cornerback first.

"ckparrothead wrote:

You know what kills me about stuff like this is you get the feeling these guys don't even do any research before they write these articles. At least, not research that goes beyond looking at an NFL.com roster, and then looking a very broad team statistics page.

The very concept of actually watching tape of the players involved or doing a bunch of digging with NFL personnel execs in order to get quotes and their feelings on the players, in order to come out with a piece like this...is just ridiculous to them. Work? **** that. I'll just write some BS.

And if you ever write to Cole or someone like him and openly ask why he doesn't bother to take to the film in order to do his rankings, he'll probably reply that he's not a scout and doesn't pretend to be a scout. Which of course begs the question, then why should I even bother reading player rankings from a guy that knows so little about the players that he doesn't even bother to try to learn more because he'd rather not pretend that he's informed enough to create an accurate ranking. Except, here's my rankings.

It does appear that there are a ton of boobs who call themselves sports writers out there

Everyone, even sportswriters are entitled to their opinion, but this kind of thing:

Some people might question having so many big guys in a place where the weather takes its toll, but the Dolphins are making it work,

...drives me up a wall. Its just too damn stupid. I mean really, who the hell drafts the o line based on weather?

"Finascious D wrote:

Everyone, even sportswriters are entitled to their opinion, but this kind of thing:



...drives me up a wall. Its just too damn stupid. I mean really, who the hell drafts the o line based on weather?

I thought the same thing. Are we supposed to believe he would have given us a higher rating if our O-Line was full of skinny players, because they do better in the heat? Assinine assumption.

"cobrajet wrote:

LB: Ranked 16. Miami: Hmmm, the Dolphins felt so great about their linebackers last year that they let go of Jason Taylor and Joey Porter(notes) … their two most accomplished pass rushers in the 3-4 scheme. OK, that’s questionable. Of course, Miami fans are excited about the arrival of Karlos Dansby(notes), the highest paid inside linebacker in the history of the game. That’s what free agency in a shallow market will do for you. If fans are expecting the second coming of Zach Thomas(notes), they are going to be sorely disappointed. Dansby is good and has pretty good pass-rush skills for an inside guy, but he’s not a great player. Fellow inside linebacker Channing Crowder(notes) is a lot smarter than people know, but there are reports that he will miss the season with a foot injury. The real key for this group is whether Cameron Wake(notes) or Koa Misi(notes) can be serious pass rushers. They better be.

What kills me about this note is that when Jason Cole originally put out the LB Rankings, the underlined line was not there. He actually edited, after the fact, to include a reference to Manish Mehta's bogus report...well after everyone realized that Manish had made an idiotic error.

To me that just proves that Jason Cole is not satisfied with anything of his being satisfactory. He has to **** it up somehow.

Karlos Dansby's not a great player? What? Any fan of an NFC west team would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. He may not be a future HOFer, but he most certainly is a great player.

...He just played in Arizona so nobody knew it...

"ckparrothead wrote:

I doubt Cromartie is going to be happy that Marshall is still in his division.

Why? He'll never be covering him.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Karlos Dansby's not a great player? What? Any fan of an NFC west team would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. He may not be a future HOFer, but he most certainly is a great player.

...He just played in Arizona so nobody knew it...

No, he isn't great. He's very good.

"PS17 wrote:

Why? He'll never be covering him.

Come on, that's not how football works. If Revis is covering Marshall on every play, then Miami knows where Revis is on every play. We could completely take Revis out of the game by using Marshall as a decoy whenever we wanted.

That would give us a pretty good advantage to control where your best player has to line up. We may have to give up Marshall, but our running game and Lower tier wrs would be able to take advantage of not having revis anywhere near them.

"PS17 wrote:

No, he isn't great. He's very good.

I'm not understanding the scale here. So is Dansby like, an A, and Great is an A+?

"PS17 wrote:

Why? He'll never be covering him.

Maybe, but Brandon Marshall's history suggests that coaches like to move him all around the field, and that would make it hard, maybe even impossible, for the Jets to keep Revis on him the whole time.