Even though I dsagree with the bold, you can say the same about the running back position. Its a plug and play position. Can't say the same with the RT position.
I'd def want Julio over Ingram. I just don't see Ingram as a dynamic-big play back. He's a high floor-low ceiling guy, and IMO Ryan Williams has more upside. I wouldnt take Williams and Ingram, but Ryan Williams + a 2nd round pick > Ingram IMO.
A lot of slow runs in this draft. Makes me even more glad we didn't pick up our playmakers last year.
Very valid point. He just really reminds me of Deangelo, but if he cant stay healthy then its academic. What do you think about the other non Ingram RBs, Thomas and Leshoure specifically? Any mid round guys piquing your interest?
D Murray and K Hunter surprised me with their speed as much as Rodgers and Locke (though he did hit a 4.46 second time around) disappointed me.
I like LeShoure. He's not a great talent but I think he has the talent to be a good back. I like Daniel Thomas. Others don't because he's not a natural running back but he's got better hips than is given credit for and he's a one cut guy. The issue with him is that he's not the most patient of backs. I'm a big fan of Ryan Williams talent, honestly. I just think the injuries will make Ireland and co. shy away from him. I'm a big fan of Kendall Hunter. Good leg drive, hes a fall forward guy and hes got the lower center of gravity. I like Shane Vereen some. Delone Carter is another strong back that I like. Some like Bilal Powell and I think if you like James Starks, you like Powell because they are very similar players. There's a lot of backs in this class that can be productive IMO. The reason some don't think its a great class is because there's no great talent like in past years but its the running back position. Its a position that you can replace pretty easily unless you have a home run hitter ala Chris Johnson, Peterson, etc. IMO.
I don't like Williams b/c of his injury potential...... and I personally like LeShoure's skill set better for our offense, so I'd prefer to trade back and end up with Mikel and a 2nd rounder over Ingram. The #15 spot this year looks like a rotten egg compared to years past.
Poor speed, it really was surprising as I expected 4'4's and he was a high 5.5 guy. Nice pool of guys who ran 4.4's and even a couple of 4.3's, no big backs were that fast but a couple of MJD types imho.
Absoultely, especially given what our needs are. Hopefully someone will want to trade up for one of the OTs or a defender who falls.
Blount ran a 4.75. I think the 4.6 may drop RW into the 3rd round/4th round, blessing in disguise maybe?
IMO LeShoure has a lot of room left to reach his ceiling for the same reason that Mendenhall did---- the power potential. He's extremely young (only 20), so he still yet to grow into his man body. Like Mendenhall coming out, Mikel can be tackled a little easier at this point in his career........ but give him a few years to gain the strength and power that his 230 lbs allows, then he's gonna be a force. I like that he's a dual threat back.
And one wonders why we'd be better off with Shockey? Well, 3 cone drill means a lot, but so far the 5'10 or under/208 or less backs are winning the day among the running backs. Fein and Vereen and Scott all have shown well so far.
DNP. You know, watching what was out there in the Combine one can see why they maybe would keep Ronnie Brown.
Well, with Ingram and Leshoure both not running really well, the value at Rb may be in the later rds maybe 5-7.
Good point. We may need Ronnie to help show the Rook how to ignore open holes and dance in the backfield .
Wow, I thought Newton looked "meh" but this is not a platform for Qb's anyway. No surprise. There were several surprise 4.4 guys, but no big fast guys, Jordan Toddman for example, I liked the UConn Fb whose name escapes me but I thought he looked more fluid than a big man normally does.
Sure dont see many workhorses. I see a lot of complimentary guys, situational guys. We'll probably have to double dip at RB. Where's Noel Devine?
if williams and ingram ran comparable times, it might be telling about the track no, we know williams is faster than that.
Exactly. Also notice that no one here has mentioned that he did not throw the ball well at all today. According to PFT, one veteran scout called his throwing performance TERRIBLE! It's not surprising to me though. I've known that the guy is not a good passer for quite a while now, and his potential to be a good passer is capped because of his mentality. I knew Cam wouldn't do well when things are not scripted for him. In fact, I heard a report this AM where Cam has not interviewed well either. They say Cam has been very defensive about things in interviews. Of course, you won't hear any of that here. The spin machine to make Cam look good is alive and well here.
I've watched Scott a few times over the years and he's always ran well IMO. I wouldn't mind him as a late pick up.
Or maybe the scout really likes Cam and wants to dissuade other teams from taking him. I'm not a Newton fan, but C'mon man.
I'd say Ingram, Williams, and Leshoure can be work horse Rb's. Especially Leshoure but, and I do like him, but would take 3 others over him if given a choice. He can handle a load of carries though....
I really think if he had not been injured, we'd be talking about him with Ingram. Same with Ryan Williams.... Dude has great burst, good size, and pretty good vision. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6vNu1O6tWA
GM, IF i'm forced to pick at #15, right now today .... i pick Green/Jones (if either is there), unless Miller is there under some crazy circumstances. as most are pointing out, while Ingram is a valid pick @ 15, you can get similar production by taking any of the top 4-5 RBs named: LeShoure, Williams, Thomas ... you can't say that - at least not right now with the WRs after Green and Jones no one is going to leap up to get in front of us .... but folks will likely want our pick to get a player before 16-20 ... since everyone 'seems' to be looking at the same groups of players (mostly DE). We 'could' drop back twice in the 1st round depending on how it goes. The only legitimate threats to a RB in Rd 1 are the PATSIES (17, 28) and the SAINTS (24) ...
Those would really be some crazy circumstances lol, considering two of them should be gone before pick 6.... Under you're scenario, saying they trade back twice, there would be no need to take a Rb first (unless Ingram slides down). I'd go Wr or OL and especially OL and pick up one of the leftover Rb's late second.
Pads, Sherman is the FB from UCONN .... Todman is a better RB than Donald Brown was - had more burst and speed, but being and underclassman - really wasn't allowed to play when Donald was around and you could see his frustration. Played pretty darn well, especially with his arm injury through much of this year. The question with him will be his durability due to size .... but would be a good 5+ round pick.
