I think the Brownies take the first Wr in the draft at #6 or #7, outside chance the Bills or Bengals do as well, but I have the Bills taking Newton and the Bengals maybe take Gabbert.
GM, right on .... i did not have Jones as a 'burner' ... still a long way to go - but that changes things a bit; and now there will likely be long debates based off of that time between the 2 AL prospects: Ingram vs Jones @ 15 .... IF we were to stay there (which i still don't think we will), as nor do i think either of Green/Jones will still be on the board @ 15. But, that time does certainly add fuel for some banter ....
Well, Holmgren being in Brownie land and saying he wants home run hitters, I suspect they will go with: Gocong, Jackson and Shanlee at Lb and they released Shaun Rogers so they probably feel they have someone to replace him on the roster already, they could go Fairley but I would tend to doubt it as Holmgren is an Offensive guy first and foremost. Think: Texans=Phil Taylor Vikings=Qb, whomever slides out of the Top 10 Lions=Nate Solder Rams=Julio Jones Dolphins= we could go any direction, bet Irish would love to trade out. We want a herd of running backs who all run 4.4's the more there are, the better it is for the Dolphins.
With the backs who'll probably drop to the second round, I don't think we'll take Ingram if Jones is there. Especially if we can snatch up a FA like Williams. Well, really, that's what I hope will happen.
Problem is relying on FA to acquire anyone, the Panthers have tried sticking the RFA tag on DW, who knows if it will stick after the new CBA is signed? A small fleet of really fast running backs would make trading out so much easier strategically speaking, we will not "miss out" on a Rb in that scenario.
Brian Billicj made a grea point vis a vis Newton v Mallet: "A Qb coach picking in the top 10 said I've got 290 throws, of those throws maybe 10% the type that are called for in the NFL, with Ryan Mallet I've got over 900 throws to look at"
Hmm, he is going on and on about Mallet, either way though he makes a good point it is tough to make such a huge bet on such little film.
After the Gabbert talk, he said "Mallett throws a great deep ball and the short to intermediate 20 yard throw. I don't mean to bury the guy, however, he is Leaf-esque." Then talked about Jake Locker and said "speaking from personal experience, he is Boller-esque," and then went on to discuss the mistakes they made when grading Boller.
Nope, that is not quite what he said, it was more along the lines of "..I'm hesitant to make the comparison..think he is smarter than Leaf etc etc"
Mayock stroking Locker about some nice throws he made in a OT game, they were nice throws but he has what 4 yrs of film on him?
Not what I heard. Just replayed it; "Mallett throws a sweet looking deep ball. I love his ability to get to get the ball deep and his intermediate release. But another example, I don't mean to digress, I'm going to throw out an analogy and I don't mean to bury the kid but is this becoming Ryan Leaf all over again? Its a terrible thing to say and you're not killing the kid but you have drawbacks."
Trade down hopefully. Colts, Steelers, Bears , Eagles all need an OT. Hopefully we'll get one of them to take the bait. B/c I think we can get A LOT more value w/ picks in the 20s & 60's than we can w/ one pick at 15. The talent drop off is negligible once you're out of the top 10 or so. If we cant trade down, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, or one of the OTs to replace Carey. I'd be slightly disappointed though.
Hardly, I began this discussion with disdain over the hype over Newton, when Billick dared to point out some things, out comes Kyle Boller, that is how mistakes are made. As for Mallet he did gush about his talent throwing the football.
Kyle Boller reference was used in regards to Jake Locker, to my knowledge. Yes, he did. I didn't say otherwise. I know you're a big Mallett fan so you're defensive but don't twist what the guy is saying.
It was a long conversation that began with "why" Newton was such a risk, and compared the situation to Mallet's game film, then he said you cannot train accuracy and then Boller came up. IIRC of course.. Nay Alen, I'm not a particularly "big" fan of anyone in this draft, so there is nothing to be defensive over, my preference is to go with a Feature Back to eliminate the risk of a Qb and all that goes along with drafting one with a high pick. Do think Mallet can play, also think this yr we simply do not have room to take him, Sparano does not have enough time to sink into a rookie Qb..
Some chatter coming in so far: Pity about that "Qb only stuff" he could do what White couldn't. We shall see. Paul Hubble jr? The dude the Texans took late last draft from Pitt who had great measurables?
Eh, there are other prospects for that role, and keep in mind Deej, the thinking behind the WC Qb is still rock solid, it allows you to play your #2 Qb and gain that little bit extra roster flexibility, most people forget about that aspect but Sparano with his job on the line surely has not forgotten it.
iam fine with that..and will continue to try and convince him of the new position his skillset could define...
J Portis also had a 10'6 broad jump and a 4.63 40, as TT had a 4.45 40 and 10'6 broad jump. The way I see it Deej, sparano is going to default with what worked in the past, meaning WC and maybe some more Vets.
remember how well Pennington worked with the wildcat system....hmm, get him a Tyrod taylor to take reps away... its a longshot because of their failures with White, but the multidimensional attack is something I still believe in...shoot, Draft Ingram, spend a third on the best all around returner available, and you have seriously upgraded the talent dept offensively from our division champion team..all the while developing Ckap to fit right in.. Remember Daboll turned Hillis in a star, and still gave reps to the hybrid system..Just replace Hillis with Ingram, Tyrod for Cobb, maybe resign Ronnie if you can get a deal, I'd **** in my pants..
What was "less than honest" about Little's interview? He owned up to his mistakes and accepted them when asked how they could've been prevented. It didn't look like he was dishonest about anything though. He came across pretty humble IMO.
Ingram looks good through his first 30 yards...... and has no 2nd gear after that...... but who really cares if the first 30 yards have busted him through a defense.
Great point. I can see the Jones-Ingram threads all over the forum lol. I'd rather trade down then take either, but w/ Jones running so well I think it increases the chances that IF he's available at 15, we can convince another team to trade up for him. Between Jones and the OTs, I'm hoping we can get down into the mid 20's and recoup that 2nd rounder. But if we cant, and we had to choose, who would you want at 15?
I think we'll be in the same spot as last year. Do we take Dez Bryant/Earl Thomas only, or do we trade down and get Odrick & Misi? This year it's do we take Julio or Ingram at 15? Or do we trade down for Leshoure/R Williams and Titus Young/Jernigan/Little?
I'd want Julio........ but too bad he'll probably be gone by Washington. Outside of Julio, I'll take a special franchise back (Ingram or even LeShoure) over an Olineman not playing LT or the 2nd most important position, Center. We can get G's and RTs any year, but how often are you in a position to grab an elite RB?
