Philbin was antsy because the OL was doing a piss poor job in pass pro. Tannehill had been sacked or nearly sacked on two of the previous three passes so it's not like he didnt have reason to be concerned.
Not only that but EVERY coach plays it conservative at times. Philbin isn't always conservative. Sparano & Wannidiot were ALWAYS conservative...its like our fans forgot what that is like.
Philbin believes in passing to win which is the exact opposite of a Sparano but like most coaches they both prefer trying to avoid losing vs trying to win. I def agree fans have a degree of amnesia, all this talk about getting more linemen when a few years ago most criticized the front office for prioritizing the OL.
Disagree strongly. Philbs atleast plays for TDs unlike Sparano who was stuck with the 80's mentality of field position. (I.E. 4th and 2 on opp 40?? Sparano was punting the hell out of that ball. Joe seems to be a tad bit smarter in that regard.
I haven't seen anything that shows that Philbin goes for more touchdowns than Sparano. Joe has called some of those same punts. Biggest difference between the two is Sparano played a running offense and Philbin is allergic to the run. People tend to associate running with being conservative.
In virtually ever measure it is true. Maybe you just forgot, it wasn't that pleasant of a time, so I wouldn't blame you.
Oh ok, I mean if you're going to change what conservative football means, then sure. However, playing to not lose, not going for it, settling on FGs, etc. is what is a conservative football coach does.
Certainly not here to defend Philbin as a great coach, but he is much less conservative than Sparano. Sparano was thrilled with field goals. He considered them a victory in and of themselves, regardless of the opportunity cost of a TD. Philbin at the very least treats them as they should be treated. A last ditch effort for points when every attempt (absent a foolish 4th down attempt) at 7 has been tried and failed.
Dude jumped up and down like a maniac when they scored a touchdown. He is the type of person who wears his emotions on his sleeve. I always thought the "Sparano got happy when his field goal kicker made the field goal" as the worst criticism of any coach ever.
Sure, sure. Everything you're saying is true, no doubt. like I said, you reinvent the word, you can apply it to anything.
As opposed to your insistence that Philbin is more conservative than Sparano, because he used the word queasy one time? Sure ok, man.
I don't think most of you know what the term "aggressive" means as it applies to football. If you go for it on every 4th down you don't get labeled aggressive, you get labeled stupid. So if you are too aggressive you are labeled stupid. If you are too passive you are labeled conservative. And generally those labels are handed out by the results oriented types that have no idea what they are talking about, so they don't mean much. The 2013 Chargers game and the Packers game finished in almost identical circumstances. In the Chargers game we decided to pass but Tannehill was sacked, so as far as the clock was concerned that sack was as good as a run and the Chargers didn't have time to make it down the field. Knowing the results you could easily make the case a run was the correct play call in that situation. And when the almost identical situation presented itself how could you blame him for opting to run? The key difference in the outcomes of those games was the punt was much better in the Chargers game, and considering there was only 2 seconds left on the clock we surely would have won the game with 20 more yards of field position on the punt. As for "the decision," for me it was a virtual coin flip, meaning its almost impossible to make the correct decision because there is no correct decision. You also can't be too aggressive or too conservative when contemplating coin flips. And lolz at anybody that can't see that Philbin has a naturally aggressive predilection. Its plain as day to me that he wants to be aggressive but he's been totally card dead for the most part. Look at the 2014 Chargers game, Moore came in and threw it deep on 2 of his first few attempts. Our defense was licking their chops getting ready to attack Rivers. McKoy was pretty much forced to surrender before the 4th quarter even began, and I believe he only attempted one or two passes after pulling Rivers. I've never seen anything like it in the NFL. That is the vision for what Philbin wants our team to be when its firing on all cylinders. When the team gets spooled up we'll go for turnovers on defense and more points on offense. I understand its easy for a laymen to mistake an inability to be aggressive with an unwillingness to be aggressive. I knew the want was there and I predicted we'd see some blowout victories in 2014. And we'll see more blowouts in 2015. And we might even see high 40's, low 50's on the score board. That is evidence of an aggressive coach. Not going for it on every single 4th and 2. Or passing on every single third and medium. And we do almost always pass on third down with the game on the line, with the Green Bay game being one of the few exceptions. And how about calling those timeouts in the first half against the Patriots and Vikings? IMO, even though we scored a TD against the Patriots because of it that was way too aggressive, and bordering on stupidly aggressive. How about calling timeouts to save time when the other team has the ball? I remember the average fan being livid that we were calling timeouts while the Patriots were driving at the end of the first half in the December game in 2013. "There goes stupid Philbin calling timeouts for the other team again." The results: we scored a TD ourselves before the half and won a squeaker. In fact, in 2013 at least I believe we were one of, if not the top scoring team in the league at the end of the first half.
and doesn't go for it on 4th down often, generally goes for field position, doesn't put out younger players and generally kicks the field goal. Of course, didn't want to fire Sherman. Other than, "he likes to pass," there is nothing that makes Philbin not conservative.
You keep on saying that, however you haven't proved it. Heck Sparano was part of putting out an entirely new offensive paradigm of snapping it right to the runningback. Which included a bunch of trick plays where they would snap it to the runningback who threw it to the quarterback, who threw it down field. What has Philbin done that is even close to the Wildcat? He did hire Lazor, however that was only because he was forced to fire Sherman and his boss wanted to make a big splash in the offensive coordinator. Other than running an offense that was more based on the run (Which made sense since he had two really good runningbacks and really, really, really bad quarterbacks other than Pennington, who did lead him to the playoffs) what has Philbin done that is less conservative than Sparano?
Taking the QB out of the game, in a passing league, is your idea of being aggressive? Creative? Sure. Aggressive? No.
lol. I see now. The entirety of your argument is predicated on the wildcat and not firing Sherman right away. So I'm clear.... Because Sparano's team sucked so bad in spite of having a stellar running game and Chad Pennington, the only solution they could come up with was going back in time to grab the single wing formation......you're saying that makes him LESS conservative? That's you, as I've said, reinventing the word. Oh, but what about Sherman? Try Dan Henning. The same man fired by Carolina, the year before coming to Miami who according to wikipedia: Henning wasn't fired. He left on his own after 3 years.
haahahahahahahahahaha. Sparano didn't fire Henning, who stayed on for 3 years and was as terrible or worse than Sherman who was here for only 2. But that's terrible logic? Sparano and company couldn't have a decent offense without pulling up a playstyle that was dead and buried. But that's terrible logic? You have to be trolling me now. PS....Philbin started Tanny right away, Sparano started Pennington.
That is on the owner. Made the playoffs with that decent offense. PHilbin wanted to start Garrard right away. Injuries took that away from him. Edit: OH yea, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" That is what mature people do when having a discussion.
Philbin is not more conservative than Tony "Fistpump" Sparano. People just forget how conservative Sparano was.
I dunno, its hard to tell. I mean in just this conversation alone you've redefined "conservative", "logic" & "mature". So, yes, we went to the playoffs that year, but for all I know you've redefined that too.
Sparano did make the playoffs. Right now, one step above Joe 'Should have been fired two years ago' Philbin
