Darlington, Conway and friends chime in on Tannehills development.
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"I think a way they can help them is not just Ryan, but it's the offensive structure," Conway added in response to Darlington's question. "They don't do a lot of dumping the ball to their running backs. I go back to Philip Rivers, where, in 2012, he was sacked 49 times; that was second in the National Football League. You go back to this year, in 2013, and Danny Woodhead is the second leading receiver on this team with 76 catches. Guess what? Now they're at 30 .
"When you have that pressure because your line is letting guys through, dump it to your back, don't try to hold the ball, don't try to get it down the field. I think in this era, a lot of young quarterbacks, they're trying to throw it down the field. If you look at Drew Brees and what they're doing in New Orleans, you go Jimmy Graham, and then all of a sudden, the next guy is Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas. Pierre Thomas has 70 catches, over 70 catches, and Darren Sproles.
"I think, when you have an offensive line that is not as strong as you want it to be, your running back is your best friend. Get it to him, and, at least if he gets two or three yards, that's a positive play versus taking a sack and putting yourself in negative plays.
Conway's point about young quarterbacks looking down field longer than they should is correct when it comes to Tannehill. There were multiple times last season where either dumping off the ball or throwing it away would have prevented the sack, but instead he continued to try to find a receiver and ended up being pulled down. The offensive scheme did not seem to help Tannehill, as there was little use of running backs, who were often asked to stay in and block rather than giving Tannehill the short pass option, which also needs to be correct this season if the Dolphins are to have success.
The throw their talking about, to the backs, are touch throws, it's not a strength of Ryan but I'm sure he can execute this necessary component of this scheme.
scotty_irnbruforum_veteranDude I totally agree with you. We need to get these guys catching and moving. Moreno and Miller are both capable in space, give it them and let them go. It should open up space for Tannehill too as they should be less inclined to pressure.
Triggercutforum_veteranchad Henne lead the league in screen passes/check down RB passes.
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djphinfansubscriber"Triggercut wrote:
chad Henne lead the league in screen passes/check down RB passes.
i don't believe that for one, and I don't know what your point is..but I digress.
This is probably why Moreno was brought in, he has a sense and talent for knowing when to leave his block, get into the right lane and make himself available..he's got to be in great shape to have the quickness to finish the play though..
Looking at his body, if he works hard he should be shredded and ready to go.
Fin-OmenalNew Member"Triggercut wrote:
chad Henne lead the league in screen passes/check down RB passes.
It's that check down play it safe mentality that ruined any chance of him being a solid NFL starter.
Not sure if it was Sparano, Henning, Lee, Pennington that installed that passive mentality into him...but it cost him IMO because at Michigan he was very successful being a fearless gunslinger.
djphinfansubscriber"Fin-Omenal wrote:
It's that check down play it safe mentality that ruined any chance of him being a solid NFL starter.
Not sure if it was Sparano, Henning, Lee, Pennington that installed that passive mentality into him...but it cost him IMO because at Michigan he was very successful being a fearless gunslinger.
That's a good point.
GMJohnsonNew MemberI agree. Otoh check downs are such a simple fix that I wonder if the staff purposely kept the backs in, to force RT to stay with his progressions, perhaps. It hurts in the short term but maybe they were willing to take the hit in order to speed RTs development along.
djphinfansubscriber"GMJohnson wrote:
I agree. Otoh check downs are such a simple fix that I wonder if the staff purposely kept the backs in, to force RT to stay with his progressions, perhaps. It hurts in the short term but maybe they were willing to take the hit in order to speed RTs development along.
Man..it's the one out I've talked about when it comes to all this discussion and anger I have about the lack of a moving pocket, no read option, constricted to The pocket, and that is, did these guys do this to make him a better Qb long term..
I don't see how they think they had that type of security and could just afford to lose games with half of a qbs skillset left on the cutting room floor.
Alex44New Member"Fin-Omenal wrote:
It's that check down play it safe mentality that ruined any chance of him being a solid NFL starter.
Not sure if it was Sparano, Henning, Lee, Pennington that installed that passive mentality into him...but it cost him IMO because at Michigan he was very successful being a fearless gunslinger.
I'm not sure Henne would have been good either way but maybe it hurt him some.
On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.
Fin Dforum_veteran"GMJohnson wrote:
I agree. Otoh check downs are such a simple fix that I wonder if the staff purposely kept the backs in, to force RT to stay with his progressions, perhaps. It hurts in the short term but maybe they were willing to take the hit in order to speed RTs development along.
They kept the backs in for pass protection. They had to, the line sucked so bad.
GMJohnsonNew Member"Fin D wrote:
They kept the backs in for pass protection. They had to, the line sucked so bad.
Youre right. But there are many ways to hide bad pass pro, running the ball more than 35% of the time maybe? Sherm chose to go with leaving the backs in, arguably the weakest aspect of their games. And he was fairly predictable about it.
Fin Dforum_veteran"GMJohnson wrote:
Youre right. But there are many ways to hide bad pass pro, running the ball more than 35% of the time maybe? Sherm chose to go with leaving the backs in, arguably the weakest aspect of their games. And he was fairly predictable about it.
No argument there
Fin-OmenalNew Member"Alex44 wrote:
I'm not sure Henne would have been good either way but maybe it hurt him some.
Why wouldn't he? He can make any throw on the field.
His mentality as a pro has ruined him.
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