Dansby on board, Miami should draft Dez Bryant

I'm only cool with taking Marshall if there's a lot of performance incentives and practice incentives in his contract. Make him piss away his money if he's going to be a prima donna. Nothing motivates a guy more than realizing he's going to lose a ton of money if he doesn't step up.

The other thing too is that he's no doubt going to want a pay day. Whereas we can probably get off cheap on Bryant.

That and I think if we get Bryant in here, and break him, he will be much easier than trying to break an already wild Marshall. Less drama, less attitude.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Dude, seriously? I'm talking about OUR game against the Texans where our defense was torched. Do you remember now?

I agree that we need to fix the defensive problems, but we've already addressed one key area, and are hopefully in the process of addressing another at Safety (Since we've already released ours).

Our CBs will have another year to grow, and with Will Allen back, we've got some more assurance there too.

All in all our defense, just from those 3 things will be much better (assuming they don't flop on the FS).

Devoting an entire FA and draft to one side of the ball won't get us to a championship unfortunately.

"SeanP wrote:

I agree that we need to fix the defensive problems, but we've already addressed one key area, and are hopefully in the process of addressing another at Safety (Since we've already released ours).

Our CBs will have another year to grow, and with Will Allen back, we've got some more assurance there too.

All in all our defense, just from those 3 things will be much better (assuming they don't flop on the FS).

Devoting an entire FA and draft to one side of the ball won't get us to a championship unfortunately.

I'm not saying to ignore the offense, but the defense should get more attention IMO. I'm not saying I would dislike drafting Dez Bryant, but I rather go defense.

Merrell Hodge just said it best. The majority of players drafted don't pan out!

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Dude, seriously? I'm talking about OUR game against the Texans where our defense was torched. Do you remember now?

One of the few games I didn't watch. But it doesn't surprise me, because Houston's passing game is up there with Indi and New Orleans.

"flynryan151 wrote:

Merrell Hodge just said it best. The majority of players drafted don't pan out!

That's bull****, too. I should think it would be obviously so, since if most draft picks didn't pan out nobody would have a team worth fielding. If you meant to say most first round draft picks don't pan out, I would counter with saying that's because GMs often don't have the same priorities as the coaching staff and draft how they think the team should be rather than fitting players into a coach's system. That's not a problem with the Fins.

And seriously, why all the worry about Bryant's work ethic or attitude? Do you guys remember who our coach is and what his reputation is? We don't have problems with rookies, plain and simple, because our coaching staff is up front about their expectations and what'll happen if a rookie ****s up.

"DearbornDolfan wrote:

This is absolute rubbish. When you have slot receivers playing as flankers and flankers playing as wide receivers, your offense isn't going to work. And it didn't, really, because it allowed the opposing team's safeties to stay in and work on our tight ends. So, not having a true #1 can and did severely effect our passing game and make us one dimensional for most of the season. That makes getting a #1 a must have, because just another body on the Fins' WR corp isn't going to do the job.

Nolan can scheme around not having ideal OLB, although I don't doubt it'll be addressed with a couple picks, but there are so many hybrid guys it isn't worth a first round pick (and there are none worth spending the #12 on, anyway). Then you have NT, which doesn't have to be addressed in the first round, at least in this draft. FS is the only position that can arguably be said to be of equal merit to drafting Bryant and only then if the best two safeties in this draft are even available.

Not to mention an ineffective offense hurts our defense. If we have the same ineffective WR corps, we'll have more 3 and outs, and our defense will be suckin wind.

"DearbornDolfan wrote:

That's bull****, too. I should think it would be obviously so, since if most draft picks didn't pan out nobody would have a team worth fielding. If you meant to say most first round draft picks don't pan out, I would counter with saying that's because GMs often don't have the same priorities as the coaching staff and draft how they think the team should be rather than fitting players into a coach's system. That's not a problem with the Fins.

And seriously, why all the worry about Bryant's work ethic or attitude? Do you guys remember who our coach is and what his reputation is? We don't have problems with rookies, plain and simple, because our coaching staff is up front about their expectations and what'll happen if a rookie ****s up.

Yeah another internet know it all! You do realize that the average NFL career is 3.7 years? By pan out he went on to say make an impact and the draft is a crap shoot. You just don't know if any of them can play at the NFL level. Fact is out of every draft class teams average 1 immediate starter, and 2 potential starters, only 1 of them become elite. Don't believe me? Watch the draft coverage on NFL NEtwork next month they will break everything down for you!

Why is everyone concerned about Dez? Well because he got suspended for lying to NCAA investigators. It wasn't that he lied once it was that after he was told several times we know what you did just tell us, he continued to lie. Then you have several sources that if you draft Dez you better hire someone to get him there on time. Several sources report Dez was consistently late to everything practice, meetings, workouts, trainers, and even game day. 2009 was suppose to be the year Dez rose above his critics for his behavior and drops instead he was suspended. If he had not lied he would have been suspended 1-3 games not a year.

Dez is a great talent! But there are serious question marks around his behavior and maturity. He may rise above them, or he may go down the road of Pacman. Most would agree handing a immature 22yr old 15 million dollars is not generally a recipe for maturity.

"DearbornDolfan wrote:

That's bull****, too. I should think it would be obviously so, since if most draft picks didn't pan out nobody would have a team worth fielding. If you meant to say most first round draft picks don't pan out, I would counter with saying that's because GMs often don't have the same priorities as the coaching staff and draft how they think the team should be rather than fitting players into a coach's system. That's not a problem with the Fins.

And seriously, why all the worry about Bryant's work ethic or attitude? Do you guys remember who our coach is and what his reputation is? We don't have problems with rookies, plain and simple, because our coaching staff is up front about their expectations and what'll happen if a rookie ****s up.

Most draft picks don't pan out though...

Out of the 224 players that came out of the draft 5 years ago (2005), can you name 113 that are still playing successfully in the NFL? If not, then the majority of players do not pan out.

I know it's a ridiculous task, but I'm just trying to put numbers to it it so it's easier to see.

I'm with JT .... if we are going to go WR in rd 1, then Marshall is the more prudent move -without a doubt.

I still believe we go defense, as well as move down from #12.

"ATVZ400 wrote:

With Dansby on board, Miami Dolphins should draft Dez Bryant
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/08/1519495/with-dansby-on-board-miami-dolphins.html

I will again state my position if they draft this guy I'll puke.....now he wont work out on his pro-day...so we have nothing to go on...no combine, no pro day workouts...all we know is he got suspended and caught a couple of TD's....dude I'm done with this cat....BRANDON EFFING MARSHALL....why cant this FO see that....ohh wait they are busy getting punked by every good FA for the past 3 years...

"DearbornDolfan wrote:

There's no guarantee of that. Holdouts come from very high picks, we're drafting in the middle of the round. Besides, not drafting player because they might hold out is idiotic.

huhuhuhuh??? 12 is the middle of the round???? Crabtree was 10, Bryant would be 12, why is that so different?? I could easily see a holdout....plus he hasnt worked out since football ended, I dont trust it at all....Marshall is a beast, trade for him, pay him like one, enjoy the next 8 years of a really good QB/WR tandem.....provided Marshall doesnt kill anybody ahahahah!!

"finyank13 wrote:

I will again state my position if they draft this guy I'll puke.....now he wont work out on his pro-day...so we have nothing to go on...no combine, no pro day workouts...all we know is he got suspended and caught a couple of TD's....dude I'm done with this cat....BRANDON EFFING MARSHALL....why cant this FO see that....ohh wait they are busy getting punked by every good FA for the past 3 years...

The only thing I worry about is the pay day Marshall would be looking to get. I mean what happens if we've got the same attitude problems here, and a guy on the hook for a huge multi-million dollar contract? I mean sure the boy can play but attitude can bring down the play of everyone else on the team. And for a team that over the last two years has relied more on teamwork than skill, that scares me.

Uncapped year or not, spending money without regard is just not good business.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

Not to mention an ineffective offense hurts our defense. If we have the same ineffective WR corps, we'll have more 3 and outs, and our defense will be suckin wind.

yeah but at least our offense will be well rested from all the long drives the opposition puts up ...........

"SeanP wrote:

The only thing I worry about is the pay day Marshall would be looking to get. I mean what happens if we've got the same attitude problems here, and a guy on the hook for a huge multi-million dollar contract? I mean sure the boy can play but attitude can bring down the play of everyone else on the team. And for a team that over the last two years has relied more on teamwork than skill, that scares me.

Uncapped year or not, spending money without regard is just not good business.

I can see your point bro....but were is the sack from Sporano, and Parcells, the guy is IMO top 3 right now at 26 (I would put AJ, and Fitz in front thats it)...imagine in another 3 years what he will be like?? Also consider he is 26, he isnt 22 anymore, at some point he has to grow up, and 26, 27 is the time when if it does happen, it will....we havent spent like bastards, just one contract to Dansby, Clark got 17 over 4 years, even if they did sign him to something like that, its a market contract....

Lastly when the Pats got Corey Dillion, he was just like Marshall, they got him, hooked him up with crazy responsibilities, and they won a championship with him being a alter boy the whole way....do you think Bill Bellichic is saying "I'm not getting BM because he will cause problems".....hardly..

Bryant has about a 25% chance of making it to #12. He is a top 5 talent in this draft. His most likely landing spot is #10 or #11, but saying he has no chance of making it to #12 would be inaccurate.

Given the option I would use the #12 pick on Marshall, though. I think Bryant can be an all-pro, but Marshall can be a HOF player. Obviously you have to do your due diligence on both of these guys, but it would be irresponsible to just ignore this much talent at a core position of need.

Also the holdout concerns are overblown. I saw a breakdown of his agent's recent high picks. Some were holdouts and some weren't. I would guess that you'd find that among most agents. People are just saying "holdout" now b/c Crabtree held out last year, but IMO that had as much to do with Crabtree as his agent.

"finyank13 wrote:

I will again state my position if they draft this guy I'll puke.....now he wont work out on his pro-day...so we have nothing to go on...no combine, no pro day workouts...all we know is he got suspended and caught a couple of TD's....dude I'm done with this cat....BRANDON EFFING MARSHALL....why cant this FO see that....ohh wait they are busy getting punked by every good FA for the past 3 years...

Brandon Marshall is too high of a risk. He's got all the talent in the world but one more incident with the law could put him in jail or get him suspended. If it weren't for him, Darrent Williams would still be alive. The guy has major issues and no way would our organization give up a first round pick form someone like that.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Brandon Marshall is too high of a risk. He's got all the talent in the world but one more incident with the law could put him in jail or get him suspended. If it weren't for him, Darrent Williams would still be alive. The guy has major issues and no way would our organization give up a first round pick form someone like that.

Wow, what an incredible exaggeration! :no:

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Brandon Marshall is too high of a risk. He's got all the talent in the world but one more incident with the law could put him in jail or get him suspended. If it weren't for him, Darrent Williams would still be alive. The guy has major issues and no way would our organization give up a first round pick form someone like that.

OVER THE LINE!

Mark it zero...next frame.

Damn, I actually meant to write "might still be alive", but it doesn't change the fact that Marshall is a troublemaker.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Damn, I actually meant to write "might still be alive", but it doesn't change the fact that Marshall is a troublemaker.

I think 99.9% of the time you have very good and positive things to say. This time you are wrong and out of bounds. You need to google both Marshall and Dummerville's testimony. The 2 thugs that killed Williams had a beef with Williams all night and were flashing gang signs at him and making gestures like they had a gun all night. Marshall and Dummerville acted as peace makers the entire evening and it wasn't till the evening was over Marshall had enough of them. They went after Williams not Marshall when they ran off, they knew they 2 were in different limo's. Several club bouncers all told this story!

"flynryan151 wrote:

I think 99.9% of the time you have very good and positive things to say. This time you are wrong and out of bounds. You need to google both Marshall and Dummerville's testimony. The 2 thugs that killed Williams had a beef with Williams all night and were flashing gang signs at him and making gestures like they had a gun all night. Marshall and Dummerville acted as peace makers the entire evening and it wasn't till the evening was over Marshall had enough of them. They went after Williams not Marshall when they ran off, they knew they 2 were in different limo's. Several club bouncers all told this story!

they should have left. pretty stupid for them to stick around IMO.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Damn, I actually meant to write "might still be alive", but it doesn't change the fact that Marshall is a troublemaker.

It still isn't a fair statement. Marshall's brother sprays some champagne that gets on a nearby group of gang members. They get pissed and get in the brother's face so Marshall protects his brother. Some pushing ensues and not much else, but the gang members are still pissed so when everyone leaves they drive-by and kill Williams. Marshall is not the trouble maker here and blaming him for that is ridiculous.

All Marshall is guilty of is behaving like an ass when he was pissed at McDaniel and before that of having repeated domestic issues with one crazy girlfirend. The girlfriend is gone and he married another girl and has had no domestic issues since. McDaniel had pissed off about half the locker room on his own. Marshall was just the guy who handled it the worst. Marshall is immature, but productive and driven most of the time. And many people mature as they get older so to think that a guy with HOF talent can't mature seems a little dismissive. If I was Miami I would talk to him and see where his head is. If I'm satisfied that he is maturing then I send the #12 pick for him happily.

"rafael wrote:

It still isn't a fair statement. Marshall's brother sprays some champagne that gets on a nearby group of gang members. They get pissed and get in the brother's face so Marshall protects his brother. Some pushing ensues and not much else, but the gang members are still pissed so when everyone leaves they drive-by and kill Williams. Marshall is not the trouble maker here and blaming him for that is ridiculous.

All Marshall is guilty of is behaving like an ass when he was pissed at McDaniel and before that of having repeated domestic issues with one crazy girlfirend. The girlfriend is gone and he married another girl and has had no domestic issues since. McDaniel had pissed off about half the locker room on his own. Marshall was just the guy who handled it the worst. Marshall is immature, but productive and driven most of the time. And many people mature as they get older so to think that a guy with HOF talent can't mature seems a little dismissive. If I was Miami I would talk to him and see where his head is. If I'm satisfied that he is maturing then I send the #12 pick for him happily.

Beyond that those 2 thugs had a beef with Williams before the champaign incident. Seriously I am sure we have all got in a stupid argument at a bar or club, calmed down had a beer with the other person and moved on. Hell that is almost a weekly event with my crew when we go out for football games. Argue elevate male ego, reality sets in have a beer and laugh about it. Seems Marshall and Dumerville thought they accomplished this until the end of the night the 2 idiots started going after Williams again!